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    According to a new study, many modern humans might be walking around with a little caveman inside. Inside their cells, that is.
    The Neandertals, now extinct, are ancient members of the human family tree. Neandertals, or Homo neanderthalensis, appeared about 300,000 years ago and anatomically modern humans, Homo sapiens, appeared about 250,000 to 200,000 years ago. No other extinct species is a closer relative to humans than Neandertals.
    Neandertals probably walked on two legs and lived in what are now Europe, Asia and the Middle East until they vanished, 30,000 years ago. They may have looked a lot like other human species and lived in some of the same regions, but scientists have long thought that Neandertals and early modern humans had little to do with each other. But the new study suggests that the two species may have become close enough to have children together.
    The Neandertals may be long gone, but researchers can learn a lot about them by studying genetic information left behind, in their bones.
    In the new study, researchers investigated ancient bones to compare the genetic material of Neandertals to genetic material in contemporary people (Homo sapiens). The scientists found evidence that, once upon a time, members of the two species mated and produced offspring. According to the study, 1 to 4 percent of the DNA in modern people from Europe and Asia came from the Neandertals, Science News reports.
    “It’s a small, but very real proportion of our ancestry,” David Reich told Science News. Reich, who worked on the study, is a geneticist who studies the genes of particular populations. He works at the Broad Institute, which is at both MIT and Harvard University in Cambridge, Mass.
    “Neandertals are not totally extinct; they live on in some of us,” Svante Pääbo told Science News. Pääbo leads a large group of scientists who do research aimed at understanding Neandertal genes.
    Reich was surprised to see the DNA connection between the ancient cavemen and modern people. One year ago, a team of scientists (including Reich and Pääbo) analyzed and reported the entire genetic code for Neandertals.
    The entire genetic code of a species is called its genome, and it is a list of all the important genes in the species’ DNA. These genes contain the instructions for how to build proteins, and proteins perform specific functions in a cell. When scientists produced the first version of the Neandertal genome, they said it was very unlikely that Neandertals and humans had ever interbred.
    For the new study, Reich and his colleagues used genetic material from the bones of Neandertals, found in a cave in Croatia. The scientists compared those genes to the genomes of five modern humans from different parts of the world: China, France, Papua New Guinea, southern Africa and western Africa.
    The results were surprising: not everyone had the same Neandertal connection. The two people from Africa did not have Neandertal DNA, but the other three did — even though Neandertals never lived in China or Papua New Guinea. The modern people from those areas had just as much Neandertal DNA as the person from Europe.
    Since the modern Africans did not have Neandertal DNA, the scientists think that Neandertals and humans began to interbreed after humans left Africa and entered the Middle East (before moving on to colonize the rest of the world). The researchers aren’t sure how long the two species mixed.
    Although the new study is exciting for geneticists, other scientists are less impressed. Some scientists say that Neandertals and modern humans are so similar they shouldn’t be considered separate species anyway. In addition, archaeologists have found skeletons in Europe that look like both Neandertals and modern humans — which suggests the two species mixed.
    “After all these years the geneticists are coming to the same conclusions that some of us in the field of archaeology and human paleontology have had for a long time,” João Zilhão, an archaeologist, told Science News. “What can I say? If the geneticists come to this same conclusion, that’s to be expected.”
    John Hawks is an anthropologist at the University of Wisconsin–Madison. Anthropologists study the behavior and development of human beings. Hawks points out that the new study tells us that many people have a distant relative that was a Neandertal.
    “It’s impossible to talk about them as ‘them’ anymore,” he says. “Neandertals are us.”
    POWER WORDS (adapted from the Yahoo! Kids Dictionary)
    gene A hereditary unit that determines a particular characteristic in an organism.
    DNA, or deoxyribonucleic acid A nucleic acid that carries the genetic information in the cell and is capable of self-replication and synthesis of RNA. DNA consists of two long chains of nucleotides twisted into a double helix and joined by hydrogen bonds between the complementary bases adenine and thymine or cytosine and guanine. The sequence of nucleotides determines individual hereditary characteristics.
    genome The total genetic content of an organism; an organism's genetic material.
    anthropology The scientific study of the origin and the behavior of humans and of their physical, social and cultural development.
    archaeology The study of past human life and culture by the recovery and examination of remaining materials, such as graves, buildings, tools and pottery.
    Neandertal An extinct species (Homo neanderthalensis) that is part of the human family tree and that lived during the late Pleistocene Epoch throughout most of Europe and parts of Asia.





    By Stephen Ornes
    Even Adobe Photoshop can't change me.

    A line[Durrand line] of hatred that raised a wall between the two brothers -Hamid Karzai

    For generations, the Hindus of India prayed for deliverance from "the venom of the cobra, the teeth of the tiger and the vengeance of the Afghan."


    The men of Kábul and Khilj also went home; and whenever they were questioned about the Musulmáns of the Kohistán (the mountains), and how matters stood there, they said, "Don't call it Kohistán, but Afghánistán; for there is nothing there but Afgháns and disturbances." Thus it is clear that for this reason the people of the country call their home in their own language Afghánistán, and themselves Afgháns. The people of India call them Patán; but the reason for this is not known. But it occurs to me, that when, under the rule of Muhammadan sovereigns, Musulmáns first came to the city of Patná, and dwelt there, the people of India (for that reason) called them Patáns—but God knows!

    -Ferishta, 1560–1620

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    lol why would talking homosapeans breed with numskull Neanderthals? That was quite an interesting read though.
    "If a nation expects to be ignorant and free, in a state of civilization, it expects what never was and never will be".

    "Knowledge will forever govern ignorance; and a people who mean to be their own governors must arm themselves with the power which knowledge gives".

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    • #3
      It was just something I wanted to share with our community. We need to acknowledge scientific achievements and founding. A theory is the closest idea to a fact.
      Even Adobe Photoshop can't change me.

      A line[Durrand line] of hatred that raised a wall between the two brothers -Hamid Karzai

      For generations, the Hindus of India prayed for deliverance from "the venom of the cobra, the teeth of the tiger and the vengeance of the Afghan."


      The men of Kábul and Khilj also went home; and whenever they were questioned about the Musulmáns of the Kohistán (the mountains), and how matters stood there, they said, "Don't call it Kohistán, but Afghánistán; for there is nothing there but Afgháns and disturbances." Thus it is clear that for this reason the people of the country call their home in their own language Afghánistán, and themselves Afgháns. The people of India call them Patán; but the reason for this is not known. But it occurs to me, that when, under the rule of Muhammadan sovereigns, Musulmáns first came to the city of Patná, and dwelt there, the people of India (for that reason) called them Patáns—but God knows!

      -Ferishta, 1560–1620

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      • #4
        Originally posted by Admin Khan View Post
        It was just something I wanted to share with our community. We need to acknowledge scientific achievements and founding. A theory is the closest idea to a fact.
        Most people will still tell you that Neanderthals, as well as older species of 'humans', never existed. Because anthropology is evolution and unfortunately, even in this day and age, some people dispute that.
        "If a nation expects to be ignorant and free, in a state of civilization, it expects what never was and never will be".

        "Knowledge will forever govern ignorance; and a people who mean to be their own governors must arm themselves with the power which knowledge gives".

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        • #5
          Originally posted by heratigirl
          Its only a theory afterall. Thanks for sharing Admin lala
          I'm sorry heratigirl but that's where you're wrong.

          It is a scientific theory - that which comprises a collection of concepts, including abstractions of observable phenomena expressed as quantifiable properties, together with rules (called scientific laws) that express relationships between observations of such concepts. A scientific theory is constructed to conform to available empirical data about such observations, and is put forth as a principle or body of principles for explaining a class of phenomena. (Source - Wiki)

          This is in direct contrast to the general conversational use of the word "Theory" - a proposed explanation whose status is still conjectural, in contrast to well-established propositions that are regarded as reporting matters of actual fact.
          "If a nation expects to be ignorant and free, in a state of civilization, it expects what never was and never will be".

          "Knowledge will forever govern ignorance; and a people who mean to be their own governors must arm themselves with the power which knowledge gives".

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          • #6
            On the timescale of the scientifically accepted history of the earth of 4.6 billion years (if the history of the planet was was condensed into a 24 hour cycle), life didn't emerge from the ocean soup until about 10.00pm, dinosaurs didn't appear until after 11pm and human(oids) didn't appear until a couple of minutes before midnight.

            Modern humans (Cro Magnon types) are known to go back 35 thousand years and Neanderthals and Cro-Magnon Man are known to have shared the Earth at the same time. The last of the Neanderthals died out in Gibraltar some 25-30 thousand years ago and whilst we're still talking about a blink or two ago on Earth geological scales, the overlap of Neanderthal/Cro-Magnon for 10 thousand years and more means there was, in all likelihood contact between the two human types. There is nothing, yet to explain why Neanderthals didn't survive to the present time especially given speculative origins and that they survived ice-ages, invented fire, clothing and tools and recorded their stories as cave paintings. None of this is attributed to "modern" humans, whose contributions to history and development comes later.

            Jean M Auel's book Clan of the Cave Bear explores that overlap and what it might have been like for a Cro-Magnon girl raised amongst Neanderthals. It's an interesting, if speculative, look at what happens when two different types of people meet and - in results in the birth of a mixed Cro-Magnon/Neanderthal human, who in the blurb is described as "the future of humanity".

            And how does this fit with the story of Baba Adam (AS)? I'm not sure ... but I don't think given the sudden extinction of entire species, that these lines of thinkings are entirely incompatible.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by tor_khan View Post
              On the timescale of the scientifically accepted history of the earth of 4.6 billion years (if the history of the planet was was condensed into a 24 hour cycle), life didn't emerge from the ocean soup until about 10.00pm, dinosaurs didn't appear until after 11pm and human(oids) didn't appear until a couple of minutes before midnight.

              Modern humans (Cro Magnon types) are known to go back 35 thousand years and Neanderthals and Cro-Magnon Man are known to have shared the Earth at the same time. The last of the Neanderthals died out in Gibraltar some 25-30 thousand years ago and whilst we're still talking about a blink or two ago on Earth geological scales, the overlap of Neanderthal/Cro-Magnon for 10 thousand years and more means there was, in all likelihood contact between the two human types. There is nothing, yet to explain why Neanderthals didn't survive to the present time especially given speculative origins and that they survived ice-ages, invented fire, clothing and tools and recorded their stories as cave paintings. None of this is attributed to "modern" humans, whose contributions to history and development comes later.

              Jean M Auel's book Clan of the Cave Bear explores that overlap and what it might have been like for a Cro-Magnon girl raised amongst Neanderthals. It's an interesting, if speculative, look at what happens when two different types of people meet and - in results in the birth of a mixed Cro-Magnon/Neanderthal human, who in the blurb is described as "the future of humanity".

              And how does this fit with the story of Baba Adam (AS)? I'm not sure ... but I don't think given the sudden extinction of entire species, that these lines of thinkings are entirely incompatible.
              You're right - the post-revisionists say that Neanderthals were smarter than what we might think.

              Oh and the two are completely incompatible... And only one must be right.
              "If a nation expects to be ignorant and free, in a state of civilization, it expects what never was and never will be".

              "Knowledge will forever govern ignorance; and a people who mean to be their own governors must arm themselves with the power which knowledge gives".

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Jasmine
                So why do many people void this theory?
                Who does? 98.5% of American earth and life scientists support the theory of evolution. In contrast, 45% of American citizens say evolution never happened. I trust scientists with science just like I trust women with cooking, cleaning, ironing and getting up to give me the TV-remote.
                "If a nation expects to be ignorant and free, in a state of civilization, it expects what never was and never will be".

                "Knowledge will forever govern ignorance; and a people who mean to be their own governors must arm themselves with the power which knowledge gives".

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                • #9
                  ^^ Charles Darwin did not use the expression of "survival of the fittest". There's a misconception that life had been steadily evolving to "improve on itself", when in fact, the way adaptation theory really works is for life to fill an exploitable gap. The idea that creatures gradually get better in design leading up to modern humans is perhaps not quite accurate.

                  There have been some complete wipeouts too creating space for the domination of certain life forms, though and other than the KT event (asteroid colliding into the Earth 65 million years ago) there are still many unexplained triggers for mass extinction.

                  Consider recent histories. Why did the mammoths die out? Was it because the earth warmed up/cooled down or because Neanderthal's over-hunted? And what about Neanderthals themselves?

                  I think evolution is a fascinating area of study, but the fossil and other physical evidence always seems to jump forwards from one design to the next leaving out all the stages in between (which of course would take years/eons). The triggers/gaps remain unexplained.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by tor_khan View Post
                    ^^ Charles Darwin did not use the expression of "survival of the fittest". There's a misconception that life had been steadily evolving to "improve on itself", when in fact, the way adaptation theory really works is for life to fill an exploitable gap. The idea that creatures gradually get better in design leading up to modern humans is perhaps not quite accurate.

                    There have been some complete wipeouts too creating space for the domination of certain life forms, though and other than the KT event (asteroid colliding into the Earth 65 million years ago) there are still many unexplained triggers for mass extinction.

                    Consider recent histories. Why did the mammoths die out? Was it because the earth warmed up/cooled down or because Neanderthal's over-hunted? And what about Neanderthals themselves?

                    I think evolution is a fascinating area of study, but the fossil and other physical evidence always seems to jump forwards from one design to the next leaving out all the stages in between (which of course would take years/eons). The triggers/gaps remain unexplained.

                    tor_khan, this book came out last year. It has all the answers. And he explains it way better than I ever can.

                    It's even got this chapter called "missing links - missing no more" or something to that effect.
                    Last edited by Levanaye Zalmaye; 06-24-2010, 07:25 AM.
                    "If a nation expects to be ignorant and free, in a state of civilization, it expects what never was and never will be".

                    "Knowledge will forever govern ignorance; and a people who mean to be their own governors must arm themselves with the power which knowledge gives".

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