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    Something I OFTEN have to explain to people who don't believe in God...


    Where Did Everything Come From?


    What is the proof?

    Islam tells us Allah is both The Creator & The Evolver, of all that exits. We know Allah did not evolve us from monkeys, and we know all things are from Allah. Please share this information with those who deny the existence of God. They need it.

    There is a popular theory referred to as the 'Big Bang' theory. It tries to explain the existence of the universe in an evolutionary manner having an initial beginning with an immense explosion of some gases or solid mass. Some say there first was a void or ’nothingness’, or perhaps, some gases which exploded then from this everything in the universe simply began to evolve to the stage that we see now. There has never really been any solid evidence for this idea of 'something out of nothing' concept. Nor for that matter, the evolutionary theory itself.

    We would like to explore the idea of creation from a purely logical standpoint using simple terminology without religious hype, emotional pre-convictions or superstitions.

    What if someone called a 'scientist' tells you his 'theory' of how cars are made is like this:

    A salvage yard on the south side of town blows up and all the metal pieces fly into the air and fall back down in one place forming a brand new Chevrolet Caprice automobile.. with no left over parts.. and the motor is running..

    Or what if his theory for how a chair is made is:

    An explosion occurs in a forest and the trees go flying into the air and then suddenly they combine with some flying cloth to make a beautiful chair... and then it lands in a furniture showroom complete with matching table and lamp...

    He further explains that:

    An earthquake in California's 'Silicon Valley' causes the computer chips and circuit boards and other various parts to fall out of their boxes and off of their shelves and just come in place together as they are rolling around on the floor and form the most advanced technical computers existing on the earth?...

    Or what of his 'Medicine Theory'? He now claims that:

    A gas leak in a pharmacy warehouse causes a terrific explosion. All the different chemicals and substances just smash into each other in exactly the correct amounts to produce a miracle drug which cures everything form cancer to heart and liver disease, old age and warts?...

    Wait... there's more to this one:

    It is all in one formula, packaged in the bottles with labels and ready to sell with no mess left on the floor?...

    Now after all this exploding and excitement this 'scientist' tells you of a great place to relax and have something to eat. It is his favorite place and he calls it: "Burger Blast"! He says:

    You just go in and sit down and suddenly a 'blast' from the kitchen occurs and immediately a burger lands right in front of you with all the trimmings.. just the way you like it complete with fries, a drink and even your favorite dessert?...

    AND...

    No one works at "Burger Blast", it just runs itself, automatically cleaning itself and as you leave it scans your billfold for a valid credit card and charges your bank account for what you have eaten?...

    Now the question is: "Are you really going to accept any of this as 'fact'?"

    Of course not!

    We wouldn't believe a new car is made from flying junk; chairs don't fall down from exploding trees; earthquakes do not produce computers and blasting burgers don't rain down on us from above.

    Question: So how come we don't challenge a theory of something coming from nothing and then colliding in the cosmos to make the universe? Is it because of its tremendous magnitude that we have so little comprehension about it, that we are willing to accept any theory from a few telescope 'peeping Toms' to tell us that it came from 'nothingness'? Or just some gases colliding and then... 'Poof'!? Instant Universe? How?

    Let us now come to our main subject:




    Creation or Explosion?

    We can turn our attention to the earth and the heavens and make observations on our own without a 'genius' scientist telling us what we are seeing. And then the idea that nothing is sustaining the heavens and the earth! - 'It just runs itself'? How?

    Think about the stars, the sun, the moon and the countless solar systems and galaxies in the universe.
    Who or What created them in the first place?
    They continue to function and move with the utmost precision and accuracy.
    Who does this? Who keeps them gliding along on their courses and orbits preordained for them?

    The Quran on the Origin of the Universe

    Look closer to the heaven surrounding the earth. We call it the 'sky'. Notice the clouds? What are they?

    The Quran on Clouds

    Let us now bring our gaze a bit closer to earth. Consider the mountains and their majesty. Is there anything about these massive formations that may give us a clue as to the origin of creation?

    The Quran on Mountains

    What about the water covering the earth? Is there another clue hiding beneath the seas?

    The Quran on Deep Seas and Internal Waves

    Water covers so much of the earth and even mixes with the land in rivers and streams. Yet is there something keeping it from mixing with itself? What is contained in this mystery of separation of waters?

    The Quran on Seas and Rivers

    What about us? Are we are part of creation? How did we begin? What develops us and causes us to live and die? How are we sustained?

    The Quran on Human Embryonic Development

    Think about the humans. How did we all get here? What is the nature of mankind? What causes us to act as we do? Are we ungrateful to the One who created us and sustains us? What is this clue? Think about yourself. Did you create yourself?

    The Quran on the Cerebrum (forehead area of the brain in humans)

    Who or What created all this? Who is sustaining everything? How do organisms reproduce themselves? How can a tree grow up out of a seed?



  • #2
    Wow... I'm so tempted...

    We did, in fact, evolve from self-replicating single-cell organisms to marine organisms and eventually from simple vertebrates to ape-like creatures and finally into humanoids - and we're homosapeans now who are still under the process of gradual change. They're tonnes of empirical scientific evidence supporting this (the same science that helps you and your family stay alive everyday) and the only thing opposing this science is age-old mythology from the iron age.

    The arguments you've provided have been seen and heard before. You do realize that God himself is the ultimate Chevrolet Caprice, miracle drug, computer, etc... What I mean is that you question the scientists' explanations on the origins of the universe and life while the theory you propose has no evidence at all - none whatsoever, zero.

    Pashtuns need to be educated, not deceived by this theocratic pseudo-science.

    Muslimah, what I can assess from your post is that you know nothing about evolution except what you've been told by the Muslim clergy.


    (Watch all the parts).

    And then tell me what about this science you don't agree with. You trust their medicines without thinking twice, you trust their technology but you don't trust their certain selected parts of their science. Trust me, these people don't have an agenda to destroy Islam.

    Evolution is science - like the laws of gravity and thermodynamics, like the theory of relatively, like Mendel's laws of inheritance! If you don't believe in gravity, it'll still pull you down to the earth. Similarly, if you don't accept evolution, it won't change the fact that all living organisms are in a state of constant change.
    Last edited by Levanaye Zalmaye; 06-06-2010, 11:35 AM.
    "If a nation expects to be ignorant and free, in a state of civilization, it expects what never was and never will be".

    "Knowledge will forever govern ignorance; and a people who mean to be their own governors must arm themselves with the power which knowledge gives".

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    • #3
      Are you Muslim?

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      • #4
        Originally posted by Muslimah View Post
        Are you Muslim?
        That's besides the point.....
        "If a nation expects to be ignorant and free, in a state of civilization, it expects what never was and never will be".

        "Knowledge will forever govern ignorance; and a people who mean to be their own governors must arm themselves with the power which knowledge gives".

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        • #5
          well
          im curious...it would explain a lot before i continue to talk with you...since i only listen to muslims :P

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          • #6
            Big Bang Theory is all Bulls***
            evolution is just a good joke to me..we muslims are not monkeys and scientist are

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            • #7
              ^ my son
              u are so smart!

              I don't like people who think they can replicate Allahs swt creations...I find it comical!

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              • #8
                I'm currently reading Bill Bryon's A Short History of Nearly Everything. It's a difficult book to explain (it's written very documentary style) ... but actually quite an easy read to for non-scientists.

                I'm on page 320 - about halfway through - and I read slowly . I don't do many book reviews on my blog, but I'll probably do one for this one.

                Basically, Bryson writes that after lots and lots of mathematics, scientists have gone as far back to the first second of the moment the universe came into being - as far back as 10 to the power of -43 after the moment of creation (that would look like 0.0000000000000000000000000000000000000000001 seconds after creation). Here's an excerpt:

                "It is natural, but not wrong to visualise the singularity as a kind of pregnant dot hanging in a dark, boundless void. But there is no space, no darkness.The singularity has no "around" around it. There is no space for it to occupy, no place for it to be. ... Time does not exist. There is no past for it to emerge from.

                And so, from nothing our universe begins.

                In a single blinding pulse, a moment of glory much too swift and expansive to form any words, the singularity assumes heavenly dimensions, space beyond conception. The first lively second (a second that cosmotologist will devote careers to shaving into ever-finer wafers) produces gravity and other forces that govern physics. In less than a minute, the universe is a million billion miles across and growing fast."

                I can't imagine it myself. I don't even know how accurate it is. I'm just enjoying the read for now. I have criticisms of the book, but it's a fascinating look that begins with that moment that many of us have often pondered over.

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                • #9
                  Haven't read all of the initial post but...

                  Originally posted by Master Khan View Post
                  Big Bang Theory is all Bulls***
                  In Islam we do believe in the Big Bang theory, however, we believe it was Allah SWT behind it all i.e. it was His command which lead to the collisions etc.

                  Quran 21:30
                  "Do not the Unbelievers see that the heavens and the earth were joined together (as on unit of creation), before we clove them asunder? We made from water every living thing. Will they not then believe?"


                  It's mentioned in the Qur'an. http://www.answering-christianity.com/hot_gas.htm (You gotta scroll down a wee bit - fanatastic site).

                  My time here is scarce, otherwise I'd reply to the whole evolution thing.. I will respond when I can, along with some of the other threads.

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                  • #10
                    Thanks for enlightening us Khaney - as always!

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Khaney View Post
                      Haven't read all of the initial post but...



                      In Islam we do believe in the Big Bang theory, however, we believe it was Allah SWT behind it all i.e. it was His command which lead to the collisions etc.

                      Quran 21:30
                      "Do not the Unbelievers see that the heavens and the earth were joined together (as on unit of creation), before we clove them asunder? We made from water every living thing. Will they not then believe?"


                      It's mentioned in the Qur'an. http://www.answering-christianity.com/hot_gas.htm (You gotta scroll down a wee bit - fanatastic site).

                      My time here is scarce, otherwise I'd reply to the whole evolution thing.. I will respond when I can, along with some of the other threads.

                      Had Edwin Hubble, George Gamow and a whole bunch of 20th century scientists not worked on their specific fields in cosmology, 21:30 would've never been interpreted like this. It's after the discoveries made by scientists that the religious folk find verses in their texts that would vaguely agree. Moreover, what if the Big Bang Theory is superseded by a clearer alternative explanation in the future? After all, science is a self-correcting field of knowledge, religion isn't. What then?

                      Originally posted by Muslimah View Post
                      well
                      im curious...it would explain a lot before i continue to talk with you...since i only listen to muslims :P
                      I identify myself as a Muslim. It's on all my documentation!




                      Originally posted by Timbaktu
                      So who or what created that first cell? did it create itself? Can a created thing be created by itself?

                      You start with a cell but you don't question where that cell came from. Where the simplest form of cell come from? Just because something goes from simple to complex doesn't mean the first cell wasn't complex. Infact the first cell is iteself very complex so how can you explain that?
                      the cell is like a brick used in construction of a house. If it wasn't for the brick how can you build the house?
                      So who or what created God? Did it create itself? Can a God be created by itself?

                      You start with a God but you don't question where that God came from. From what we know, by the way, amino acids came into being through a series of chemical reactions that took place because of all the activity that was taking place at that time (and still is today) and that's how life ultimately developed. Of course, life had a lab the size of the earth and a few good billion years at its disposal.


                      Originally posted by Timbaktu
                      Evolution is not science because its neither testable nor observable.
                      I'm astonished you can say something like that. It just shows a profound level of (deliberate) ignorance as far as the topic at hand is concerned.

                      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Speciation (Read the parts under "Observed instances" and check their sources).

                      And if you have time: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evidence_of_common_descent (again, check the references and don't just take their word for it).

                      Remember, no scientist opposes the theory of evolution. The people that do oppose any theory of science do so on the basis of their religion - which makes their study biased and hence inadmissible in the field of science. You can't study a phenomena with a preconceived notion and an already established mindset, which is, if I might add, established not on the basis of any science but on religious prose.
                      Last edited by Levanaye Zalmaye; 06-06-2010, 11:21 PM.
                      "If a nation expects to be ignorant and free, in a state of civilization, it expects what never was and never will be".

                      "Knowledge will forever govern ignorance; and a people who mean to be their own governors must arm themselves with the power which knowledge gives".

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Levanaye Zalmaye View Post
                        So who or what created God? Did it create itself? Can a God be created by itself?

                        So..back to my original question.

                        Thank you for my answer.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Muslimah View Post
                          So..back to my original question.

                          Thank you for my answer.
                          So you won't talk to me now? </3
                          "If a nation expects to be ignorant and free, in a state of civilization, it expects what never was and never will be".

                          "Knowledge will forever govern ignorance; and a people who mean to be their own governors must arm themselves with the power which knowledge gives".

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                          • #14
                            lol no
                            i will talk to you! I am nice! :P
                            Just...wanted to know where you are coming from! Who are you anyway? I don't even now you.
                            Brother/sister? Age? Where in the world are you? I often confuse sisters with brothers on here...so its better you tell me so I don't look like an idiot later...

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Muslimah View Post
                              lol no
                              i will talk to you! I am nice! :P
                              Just...wanted to know where you are coming from! Who are you anyway? I don't even now you.
                              Brother/sister? Age? Where in the world are you? I often confuse sisters with brothers on here...so its better you tell me so I don't look like an idiot later...
                              Oh, I'm a zalmaye so that'd have to make me a guy (or a gender-confused girl though that's very unlikely).

                              I live in Pakistan, by the way. I'm 24. O+... favorite movie "Dances with Wolves"..... What about you?
                              "If a nation expects to be ignorant and free, in a state of civilization, it expects what never was and never will be".

                              "Knowledge will forever govern ignorance; and a people who mean to be their own governors must arm themselves with the power which knowledge gives".

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