School girls beat the Taleban

[tor_khan]

Dear, there is no more Afghanistan and pukhtunkhwa in the slogans and manifesto of ANP, forget about this dream. ANP has been injected badly with the virus of Punjabi army and isi and most of all the previliges and protocols given by president, prime minister and army.

Good to see females make a success of their schooling. I will confess that I understand why some are uncomfortable about making political capital out of this.

@ Toramana. Perhaps this should be a separate discussion in another thread, but what do you say to the highlighted points? Do you acknowledge that this perception exists?

[Toramana]

Good to see females make a success of their schooling. I will confess that I understand why some are uncomfortable about making political capital out of this.

@ Toramana. Perhaps this should be a separate discussion in another thread, but what do you say to the highlighted points? Do you acknowledge that this perception exists?

Well tor_khan, I don't think this is true. There is a very deep-rooted animosity and distrust between Pakistan (read Punjab) army and Pashtun nationalism. Pakistan army has left no stone un-turned to split, neutralize, and weaken Pashtun nationalism. In particular, it has supported the fundamentalist Islamic parties and groups like Jumath-i-Islami (with which emkhan is affiliated) and other parties of the far right to marginalize/neutralize Pashtun nationalism .

There is a thinking in ANP that it has done politics of agitation so far (since 1947) and has suffered in that process. It thinks that it cannot change Pakistan's foreign policy and by continuing the politics of agitation, it would become increasingly irrelevant/redundant on the home ground. So it has changed its tactics. They think by accepting responsibility, they can expand their political base.

There cannot be a natural alliance between ANP and Pakistan army. The only natural alliance can be between Pakistan Army/ISI and religious parties and jehadi groups.

[Friend]

Well tor_khan, I don't think this is true. There is a very deep-rooted animosity and distrust between Pakistan (read Punjab) army and Pashtun nationalism. Pakistan army has left no stone un-turned to split, neutralize, and weaken Pashtun nationalism. In particular, it has supported the fundamentalist Islamic parties and groups like Jumath-i-Islami (with which emkhan is affiliated) and other parties of the far right to marginalize/neutralize Pashtun nationalism .

There is a thinking in ANP that it has done politics of agitation so far (since 1947) and has suffered in that process. It thinks that it cannot change Pakistan's foreign policy and by continuing the politics of agitation, it would become increasingly irrelevant/redundant on the home ground. So it has changed its tactics. They think by accepting responsibility, they can expand their political base.

There cannot be a natural alliance between ANP and Pakistan army. The only natural alliance can be between Pakistan Army/ISI and religious parties and jehadi groups.

Lool, a demonstration of natural alliance of ANP and army we have been seeing in the last 5 years in which they did some joint ventures. What else alliance do you want lol ?
Actually Toramana is right when ANP saw that politics of agitation is giving them no room in the assemblies and senate and bearocracies so they changed their ideologies and manifesto and got colored in the colors of Punjabis and army. A party which fought for army and punjab, how can we expect from them that they will do something good for Pashtuns. They have stepped into a new era of politics and political mindset. They can't escape from it now.
In a few months there is going to be the election and ANP will get no vote as the isi is backing Imran badly and the PMLN is quite strong in khyber pukhtunkhwa, at the other hand PTI and JI may make a coalition against PPP and ANP so there is no hope for ANP in the next election.
A very dark future is awaiting ANP.

[Toramana]

Lool, a demonstration of natural alliance of ANP and army we have been seeing in the last 5 years in which they did some joint ventures. What else alliance do you want lol ?
Actually Toramana is right when ANP saw that politics of agitation is giving them no room in the assemblies and senate and bearocracies so they changed their ideologies and manifesto and got colored in the colors of Punjabis and army. A party which fought for army and punjab, how can we expect from them that they will do something good for Pashtuns. They have stepped into a new era of politics and political mindset. They can't escape from it now.
In a few months there is going to be the election and ANP will get no vote as the isi is backing Imran badly and the PMLN is quite strong in khyber pukhtunkhwa, at the other hand PTI and JI may make a coalition against PPP and ANP so there is no hope for ANP in the next election.
A very dark future is awaiting ANP.

I think Imran Khan is a hopeless horse now. I came to know indirectly through someone about the views of an-ex federal minster who have joined PTI recently about PTI strength and he was very skeptical about Imran Khan winning any significant seat.

PML-N has lost its foothold in its traditional strong constituency of Hazara. Rather prominent personalities from Hazara (Tanawal, Battagram, Torghar, Mansehra, etc. have joined ANP recently). PML-N has made that guy from Shangla president of PML-N but his image has already been tarnished by corruption and supporting the dictator Musharaf.

Anyhow, let us see what happens. ANP has performed very well given the circumstances. JI is nowhere. It is detested by KP people for its alliance with Taleban.

[Friend]

I think Imran Khan is a hopeless horse now. I came to know indirectly through someone about the views of an-ex federal minster who have joined PTI recently about PTI strength and he was very skeptical about Imran Khan winning any significant seat.

PML-N has lost its foothold in its traditional strong constituency of Hazara. Rather prominent personalities from Hazara (Tanawal, Battagram, Torghar, Mansehra, etc. have joined ANP recently). PML-N has made that guy from Shangla president of PML-N but his image has already been tarnished by corruption and supporting the dictator Musharaf.

Anyhow, let us see what happens. ANP has performed very well given the circumstances. JI is nowhere. It is detested by KP people for its alliance with Taleban.

Actually people have become fed up with the current stubborn and incompetent govt of ANP and PPP.
I have never seen Imran as a guy who will clean sweep in the elections as he has no political background but he is a one man show but still by the support of some ISI's factions, media and his own straightforwardness and promises he will get round about 45 seats in the elections.
PMLn is not weak in khyber pukhtunkhwa. Amir maqaam is an active guy and his reputation is very good among the masses.
Don't under estimate JI, they will wonders especially in Dir, Buner and other districts in coalition with the religious parties and with Imran khan.
You may try to affiliate JI with taliban but its not like that. They have their vote bank and they are very strong in the lower and middle class as they are always very active through their social work and social services whether it is earth quake or floods or operation or any other natural or human disaster, you will find them everywhere.
ANP at the other hand has got no such mentality. Their leaders are khans means their mentality is not to serve but to be served. They don't have their vote bank at the grass root level, they just like bhangrra dance parties.

[tor_khan]

Well tor_khan, I don't think this is true. There is a very deep-rooted animosity and distrust between Pakistan (read Punjab) army and Pashtun nationalism. Pakistan army has left no stone un-turned to split, neutralize, and weaken Pashtun nationalism. In particular, it has supported the fundamentalist Islamic parties and groups like Jumath-i-Islami (with which emkhan is affiliated) and other parties of the far right to marginalize/neutralize Pashtun nationalism .

There is a thinking in ANP that it has done politics of agitation so far (since 1947) and has suffered in that process. It thinks that it cannot change Pakistan's foreign policy and by continuing the politics of agitation, it would become increasingly irrelevant/redundant on the home ground. So it has changed its tactics. They think by accepting responsibility, they can expand their political base.

There cannot be a natural alliance between ANP and Pakistan army. The only natural alliance can be between Pakistan Army/ISI and religious parties and jehadi groups.

You know when I was in Kabul, when they spoke ill of their own politicians, they referred to it as the 'Pakistanification' of Afghan politics. That was a byword for corruption, cronyism and looking after one's own interests - and that style of politics has now taken hold in Afghanistan. I feel that the ANP is locked in a circular politics of its own - didn't this type of 'Pakistanification' of politics happen to the ANP during the course of its struggle? I understand that the ANP was viewed as antagonistic for a very long time, but in practical terms I see a very dilute form of Pashtun nationalism. Perhaps this comes from an ideological shift.

When EmKhan talks about 'viral corruption' coming from the Panjab/ISI overlords, do you see the point that he is making?

Isn't Pakistan's foreign policy directly connected to the genuine threat of a Bangladesh-type cessation of it's western provinces should nationalism become stronger there? Pakistan's foreign policy is one of the main reasons for the continuing problems in Afghanistan and the hopeless situations at home. Therefore by offering to be 'silent'/'obedient', doesn't the ANP harm Pashtun/interests identity in the long run?

[Friend]

You know when I was in Kabul, when they spoke ill of their own politicians, they referred to it as the 'Pakistanification' of Afghan politics. That was a byword for corruption, cronyism and looking after one's own interests - and that style of politics has now taken hold in Afghanistan. I feel that the ANP is locked in a circular politics of its own - didn't this type of 'Pakistanification' of politics happen to the ANP during the course of its struggle? I understand that the ANP was viewed as antagonistic for a very long time, but in practical terms I see a very dilute form of Pashtun nationalism. Perhaps this comes from an ideological shift.

When EmKhan talks about 'viral corruption' coming from the Panjab/ISI overlords, do you see the point that he is making?

Isn't Pakistan's foreign policy directly connected to the genuine threat of a Bangladesh-type cessation of it's western provinces should nationalism become stronger there? Pakistan's foreign policy is one of the main reasons for the continuing problems in Afghanistan and the hopeless situations at home. Therefore by offering to be 'silent'/'obedient', doesn't the ANP harm Pashtun/interests identity in the long run?

Tor khan lala, this is a fact. In the last 5 years ANP did what it has been blaming JI and other religious parties for. They served isi and army badly in this war. But they forgot to realize that ISI and army is a disloyal group of thugs, they don't care about anyone. they only use others for their vested interests. I bet, isi is using ANP in Karachi against MQM, though I am not pro mqm but this is a fact and I have to tell you.
The same way army and ISI used ANP in this war, ANP deliberately jumped into this war. But I am worried about tommorrow as this war has got no end and they have created enemies for themselves.
Again I am saying army and isi is of no one. Tomorrow ANP leaders will have not security and no protocol, so where will they take their families and which politics will they be doing ? This is a big real question.
ANP has been blaming JI and other religous jihadi parties for the puppets of isi and that these jihadi people are being used by isi but this time they themselves are trapped badly and they will have to pay for this very soon.