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    Teaching of maths back home

    They say students from back home are good in maths---I don't think so---the way the maths is taught there only produces good "number crunchers" good in arithmetic and "formula-based maths" only focusing on the use of maths in a mechanical way most of the time. The problem is until you understand the theory and original idea of it, you cannot apply it effectively . And this is esp true of more complex applications.


    I think students from our background are not good at mathematical reasoning and problem solving.
    Last edited by Toramana; 07-14-2012, 10:31 PM.
    Tags: back, home, maths, teaching
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    Mathemeticians of that region are parrots Toramana. Indians, Pakistanis, Afghans, ratafication is their qualification. My friend who goes to N.E.D Karachi memorizes Algorithms and code.
    Even Adobe Photoshop can't change me.

    A line[Durrand line] of hatred that raised a wall between the two brothers -Hamid Karzai

    For generations, the Hindus of India prayed for deliverance from "the venom of the cobra, the teeth of the tiger and the vengeance of the Afghan."


    The men of Kábul and Khilj also went home; and whenever they were questioned about the Musulmáns of the Kohistán (the mountains), and how matters stood there, they said, "Don't call it Kohistán, but Afghánistán; for there is nothing there but Afgháns and disturbances." Thus it is clear that for this reason the people of the country call their home in their own language Afghánistán, and themselves Afgháns. The people of India call them Patán; but the reason for this is not known. But it occurs to me, that when, under the rule of Muhammadan sovereigns, Musulmáns first came to the city of Patná, and dwelt there, the people of India (for that reason) called them Patáns—but God knows!

    -Ferishta, 1560–1620

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    • #3
      Originally posted by Admin Khan View Post
      Mathemeticians of that region are parrots Toramana. Indians, Pakistanis, Afghans, ratafication is their qualification.
      Yes that is true ---because in the exam you've to reproduce same solutions to sometimes selected questions in the exercises.
      Last edited by Toramana; 07-14-2012, 10:30 PM.

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      • #4
        Thats why a nation of billion, and another nation of 170 million can barely innovate. Yet a tiny country like Canada can innovate(although not on the level of the US).
        Even Adobe Photoshop can't change me.

        A line[Durrand line] of hatred that raised a wall between the two brothers -Hamid Karzai

        For generations, the Hindus of India prayed for deliverance from "the venom of the cobra, the teeth of the tiger and the vengeance of the Afghan."


        The men of Kábul and Khilj also went home; and whenever they were questioned about the Musulmáns of the Kohistán (the mountains), and how matters stood there, they said, "Don't call it Kohistán, but Afghánistán; for there is nothing there but Afgháns and disturbances." Thus it is clear that for this reason the people of the country call their home in their own language Afghánistán, and themselves Afgháns. The people of India call them Patán; but the reason for this is not known. But it occurs to me, that when, under the rule of Muhammadan sovereigns, Musulmáns first came to the city of Patná, and dwelt there, the people of India (for that reason) called them Patáns—but God knows!

        -Ferishta, 1560–1620

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        • #5
          Originally posted by Admin Khan View Post
          Thats why a nation of billion, and another nation of 170 million can barely innovate. Yet a tiny country like Canada can innovate(although not on the level of the US).
          That is true---no originality ---no focus on the theory/concept of things(the why question)---just memorization of conclusions and the procedure of how to do it (the how question).

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          • #6
            That is true. No one knows the concepts. They just memorize the procedure or method the way a question is solved and every student follow that very method. I myself wanted to apply whatever I have learnt at the scratch level but I did not know how to do that.
            Then I change my field and my math totally got lost.

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            • #7
              That's why everyone over there wants to be an engineer, rather than a theorist. Theorists are rarely admired, and naturally most Theorists are poor and don't have many career options. That's why I am going the applied mathematics route. While I am strong in theory by now, I need to eat and I need to take care of my parents.
              [QUOTE=Afghanistan2010;658085][B]He is no different [COLOR="Red"]than us[/COLOR][/B],[B]he[COLOR="Red"] blindly believes [/COLOR]in the words [COLOR="Red"]of other men[/COLOR][/B],:[/QUOTE]

              2010 Admitting he's a blind believer not in God, but what other men says.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by RevolutionThroughReason View Post
                That's why everyone over there wants to be an engineer, rather than a theorist. Theorists are rarely admired, and naturally most Theorists are poor and don't have many career options. That's why I am going the applied mathematics route. While I am strong in theory by now, I need to eat and I need to take care of my parents.
                I think you should continue exploring the theory for fun and curiosity in spare time---Application in the real world (real problems) also gives a good insight into the theory of it.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by RevolutionThroughReason View Post
                  That's why everyone over there wants to be an engineer, rather than a theorist. Theorists are rarely admired, and naturally most Theorists are poor and don't have many career options. That's why I am going the applied mathematics route. While I am strong in theory by now, I need to eat and I need to take care of my parents.
                  If you want to eat, and if you like theory, CSE is your answer. Take a course like Theory of Computation to see how much you really like theory.
                  Even Adobe Photoshop can't change me.

                  A line[Durrand line] of hatred that raised a wall between the two brothers -Hamid Karzai

                  For generations, the Hindus of India prayed for deliverance from "the venom of the cobra, the teeth of the tiger and the vengeance of the Afghan."


                  The men of Kábul and Khilj also went home; and whenever they were questioned about the Musulmáns of the Kohistán (the mountains), and how matters stood there, they said, "Don't call it Kohistán, but Afghánistán; for there is nothing there but Afgháns and disturbances." Thus it is clear that for this reason the people of the country call their home in their own language Afghánistán, and themselves Afgháns. The people of India call them Patán; but the reason for this is not known. But it occurs to me, that when, under the rule of Muhammadan sovereigns, Musulmáns first came to the city of Patná, and dwelt there, the people of India (for that reason) called them Patáns—but God knows!

                  -Ferishta, 1560–1620

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                  • #10
                    All Paki/Indian students memorize everyting.

                    That's what the teachers teach you there, how to memorize **** so you can pass.
                    Dark Vader Ghost King El Malo Camello Papa

                    Pro-Black is Pro-Righteous!

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Admin Khan View Post
                      If you want to eat, and if you like theory, CSE is your answer. Take a course like Theory of Computation to see how much you really like theory.
                      I think theoretical mathematics and computing theory are very different. I know you're of the opinion that comp sci is a branch of mathematics; and it was certainly developed by mathematicians. It is however very different from theoretical mathematics. The interface is very meager in my opinion
                      [QUOTE=Afghanistan2010;658085][B]He is no different [COLOR="Red"]than us[/COLOR][/B],[B]he[COLOR="Red"] blindly believes [/COLOR]in the words [COLOR="Red"]of other men[/COLOR][/B],:[/QUOTE]

                      2010 Admitting he's a blind believer not in God, but what other men says.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Toramana View Post
                        I think you should continue exploring the theory for fun and curiosity in spare time---Application in the real world (real problems) also gives a good insight into the theory of it.


                        Well I may have been misrepresenting applied vs. theoretical mathematics. in Advanced Mathematics, i.e. Mathematics beyond merely engineering-oriented applications. The line between Applied vs. Theoretical Mathematics is very obscure. You can't be a genuine applied mathematician without being competent in theory. In fact most of the research based aspects of Applied Mathematics is very theoretical. Yes, sometimes real world problems can demonstrate theory. In many Graduate Level Econometrics Degrees, Real Analysis is explored. Many techniques of analysis like metriizability are used. In Mathematical Physics. New Approach to Geometry and Topology are explored to describe cosmological models. However these are areas of "Applied Mathematics" which are theoretical in themselves.


                        Many people think if they know recipes for solving higher order dif eqs. they've reached higher level mathematics. It goes very deep. In fact there's a point where numerical representation of things vanishes, it becomes more about sets, homology, homotropy and relations.
                        [QUOTE=Afghanistan2010;658085][B]He is no different [COLOR="Red"]than us[/COLOR][/B],[B]he[COLOR="Red"] blindly believes [/COLOR]in the words [COLOR="Red"]of other men[/COLOR][/B],:[/QUOTE]

                        2010 Admitting he's a blind believer not in God, but what other men says.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by RevolutionThroughReason View Post
                          That's why everyone over there wants to be an engineer, rather than a theorist. Theorists are rarely admired, and naturally most Theorists are poor and don't have many career options. That's why I am going the applied mathematics route. While I am strong in theory by now, I need to eat and I need to take care of my parents.
                          true but 1 day inshallah i want to solve one of the millennium problems with special interest in yang-mills theory
                          Ka Makh De Rana Hear Sho No Jehan Ba Rana Hear She
                          Ka Nom De Rana Hear Sho No Khpal Zan Ba Rana Her She[

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by RevolutionThroughReason View Post
                            I think theoretical mathematics and computing theory are very different. I know you're of the opinion that comp sci is a branch of mathematics; and it was certainly developed by mathematicians. It is however very different from theoretical mathematics. The interface is very meager in my opinion
                            No, they are pretty similar. Although its more geared towards CSE applications.

                            CSE is a branch of Math, and its theory(like what you learn in Theory of Computation) is just as theoretical as any other Math class. Writing code is like writing proofs. Think about it.

                            Remember, CSE!=programming. Its arguably the most diverse field since its applications are near infinite. Think AI, Machine learning, Algorithms, etc.
                            So yeah, CS is your solution.


                            Caveat: CS has been traditionally offered as a concentration for Applied Math majors, through the Math department. It actually still is in some cases.
                            Even Adobe Photoshop can't change me.

                            A line[Durrand line] of hatred that raised a wall between the two brothers -Hamid Karzai

                            For generations, the Hindus of India prayed for deliverance from "the venom of the cobra, the teeth of the tiger and the vengeance of the Afghan."


                            The men of Kábul and Khilj also went home; and whenever they were questioned about the Musulmáns of the Kohistán (the mountains), and how matters stood there, they said, "Don't call it Kohistán, but Afghánistán; for there is nothing there but Afgháns and disturbances." Thus it is clear that for this reason the people of the country call their home in their own language Afghánistán, and themselves Afgháns. The people of India call them Patán; but the reason for this is not known. But it occurs to me, that when, under the rule of Muhammadan sovereigns, Musulmáns first came to the city of Patná, and dwelt there, the people of India (for that reason) called them Patáns—but God knows!

                            -Ferishta, 1560–1620

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by حکیم خان اورګونی View Post
                              All Paki/Indian students memorize everyting.

                              That's what the teachers teach you there, how to memorize **** so you can pass.
                              Ive had terrible experiences with Indian and Pakistani parrots on group projects.
                              Even Adobe Photoshop can't change me.

                              A line[Durrand line] of hatred that raised a wall between the two brothers -Hamid Karzai

                              For generations, the Hindus of India prayed for deliverance from "the venom of the cobra, the teeth of the tiger and the vengeance of the Afghan."


                              The men of Kábul and Khilj also went home; and whenever they were questioned about the Musulmáns of the Kohistán (the mountains), and how matters stood there, they said, "Don't call it Kohistán, but Afghánistán; for there is nothing there but Afgháns and disturbances." Thus it is clear that for this reason the people of the country call their home in their own language Afghánistán, and themselves Afgháns. The people of India call them Patán; but the reason for this is not known. But it occurs to me, that when, under the rule of Muhammadan sovereigns, Musulmáns first came to the city of Patná, and dwelt there, the people of India (for that reason) called them Patáns—but God knows!

                              -Ferishta, 1560–1620

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