The Great Osho ...He changed me completely. Let us know him and discuss his ideas.

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[MENTION=1236]Mujib[/MENTION]
sufism isnt traditional Islam , many of sufi practices are against traditional Islam.

in what language does mohamadan mean muslim?

you sufis have been good little passifist who only get active when they are to condemn muslim for defending their country like that little amreekayee mullah with his girly voice does.

next time be concrete in your defence of your unislamic practices such as believing that a dead person is alive inside the grave and he could hear you or can work as an antenna towards Allah(swt).

btw shias and sufis have overused the word wahabi (shias use it as code word for Ahlel Sunnah) in the same way wahabis have overused the word graveworshippers.

[Shamlawar Khurasani]

[MENTION=1236]Mujib[/MENTION]
sufism isnt traditional Islam , many of sufi practices are against traditional Islam.

in what language does mohamadan mean muslim?

you sufis have been good little passifist who only get active when they are to condemn muslim for defending their country like that little amreekayee mullah with his girly voice does.

next time be concrete in your defence of your unislamic practices such as believing that a dead person is alive inside the grave and he could hear you or can work as an antenna towards Allah(swt).

btw shias and sufis have overused the word wahabi (shias use it as code word for Ahlel Sunnah) in the same way wahabis have overused the word graveworshippers.

[MENTION=1236]Mujib[/MENTION] believes that the Sahaba burried Prophet Muhammad sal allahu alayhi wasalam while he was alive.

[Friend]

Muhammadan was a name the britishers used to call for muslims.

[Friend]

[MENTION=1236]Mujib[/MENTION] believes that the Sahaba burried Prophet Muhammad sal allahu alayhi wasalam while he was alive.

This is a very critical topic. We should not discus it. But in my view he the prophet s.a.w was alive physically that time and spritually now. Thats all. We dont know much.

[Shamlawar Khurasani]

This is a very critical topic. We should not discus it. But in my view he the prophet s.a.w was alive physically that time and spritually now. Thats all. We dont know much.

Worshippers of Osho also claim he is not dead.

[Friend]

Worshippers of Osho also claim he is not dead.

If an ordinary shaheed can be alive spiritually according to Quran, then why not the Imam of the prophets s.a.w ???

[Shamlawar Khurasani]

If an ordinary shaheed can be alive spiritually according to Quran, then why not the Imam of the prophets s.a.w ???

It depends on how you interpret this. Suppose you believe the life of martyrs or anbiya is as such as the life of Allah where he hears everything and grants your wishes then this incorrect.
But if you believe that martyrs and anbyah are physically dead and unlike Allah in the way they are in their life after dead, then that is correct.

The problem with Sufis is that they believe that people in the graves have divine attributes.

[Friend]

It depends on how you interpret this. Suppose you believe the life of martyrs or anbiya is as such as the life of Allah where he hears everything and grants your wishes then this incorrect.
But if you believe that martyrs and anbyah are physically dead and unlike Allah in the way they are in their life after dead, then that is correct.

The problem with Sufis is that they believe that people in the graves have divine attributes.

Well i dont know where Mujib belongs to but if you go to punjab or sindh there you will see people have very strange beliefs. They totally keeps Allah at a side and believe that this system of the world is run by these lying in the graves. They dont read any sufi book and any other religios book or life of the prophet but they have limited their lives to a few things and they strictly believe in that. A question for mujib is either you endorse all those people if not then why dont your sufis dont start an islaahi program for those people because they can quickly understand your language and come to the right path.

[Shamlawar Khurasani]

Well i dont know where Mujib belongs to but if you go to punjab or sindh there you will see people have very strange beliefs. They totally keeps Allah at a side and believe that this system of the world is run by these lying in the graves. They dont read any sufi book and any other religios book or life of the prophet but they have limited their lives to a few things and they strictly believe in that. A question for mujib is either you endorse all those people if not then why dont your sufis dont start an islaahi program for those people because they can quickly understand your language and come to the right path.

Mujib is a barelwi which is badically a pinjabi sect. He is originally from kandahar.

[Friend]

Mujib is a barelwi which is badically a pinjabi sect. He is originally from kandahar.

A qandahari and barelvi? Its strange.

[RevolutionThroughReason]

In the West Sufis distort the teachings of Islam in order to attract people. Salafis say it like it is. Still thousands of people convert to islam every day in salafi masajid.

Sufi dawah is primarily a desi dawah focused on cultural muslims who love halwah and sufi version of christmas.

Actually I don't find that's the case; I find that Sufis attract people to Islam and then Salafis somehow jump in and interfere with that person's Islamic development and start telling them everything is wrong wrong wrong.

The idea that "Salafis" tell it like it is is absurd; I mean if you mean telling it like it is to imply obnoxious loud mouths; yes that tends to be your average Salafi. However being on HAQQ, this is highly questionable.

I'm NOT a Sufi; but Spirituality in Islam is key to edifying people. I don't think Sufis are above criticism; but definitely play a crucial role in Islam

[RevolutionThroughReason]

A qandahari and barelvi? Its strange.

This is false, Mujib wror subscribes to none of these attributions. He even made a post about this on Afghansite forums years ago.

[RevolutionThroughReason]

Sufi Dawah video:

I find this to be admirable and it reaches out to people the beautiful shapes that Allah(swt)'s influence can take.

It's not the way I prefer but it is acceptable.

I don't see why you find fault with this but You'll quote Shah Waliyullah despite the fact he advocates meditations similar to Yoga.

[Mujib]

sufism isnt traditional Islam , many of sufi practices are against traditional Islam.

Tasawwuf (Sufism) is definitely part of traditional Islam. It is the science of the purification of the heart, and as a science it has always been taught and practiced throughout the Muslim world.

in what language does mohamadan mean muslim?

In English. The Arabic suffix of appurtenance -i is translated as the English suffix -an. We are the Umma Muhammadiyya, the Muhammadan Umma.

you sufis have been good little passifist who only get active when they are to condemn muslim for defending their country

This is only false propaganda spread by those who are ignorant of the reality or who are simply enemies of Sufism. The greatest mujahidin of this umma were and are today Sufis. The difference between them and the other groups who are known as jihadis is that Sufis don't kill innocent civilians, bomb masjids, and make videos displaying themselves.

next time be concrete in your defence of your unislamic practices such as believing that a dead person is alive inside the grave and he could hear you or can work as an antenna towards Allah(swt).

How concrete would you like it to be?

And is your problem with the fact that someone or something can be an "antenna" towards Allah, or is your problem with the fact that someone that has passed away can be an "antenna"?

[Mujib]

The idea that "Salafis" tell it like it is is absurd; I mean if you mean telling it like it is to imply obnoxious loud mouths; yes that tends to be your average Salafi.

Unfortunately, "tell it like it is" often manifests as lack of tact. Disrespecting people's beliefs and defeating them is "telling it like it is." Pushing the intricacies of the religion on beginners is "telling it like it is." It is a lack of wisdom in da`wa. There is a time and place for everything. The hadith of the man who told the Prophet (Allah bless him and give him peace) he loved fornication is well-known. Did the Prophet (Allah bless him and give him peace) "tell it like it is," or did he speak to the man in a gentle, succinct, tactful way that instantaneously transformed him?