The Great Osho ...He changed me completely. Let us know him and discuss his ideas.

[Shamlawar Khurasani]

Nice anology. That's a simple way of putting it.

Osho is sleeping with the fishes.

[Mujib]

In the west, i've found most people who are doing any serious dawah are people who are more salafi minded. Sufis are doing dawah, but salafis by a long shot are putting in more effort in the dawah. I'm not against anybody i'm just calling a spade a spade.

Spades bear fruit.

Calling people to Allah is done by good character and example first and foremost. This is how Sufism has spread Islam wherever it has gone, and this is how it continues to do so. Hundreds and hundreds of Westerners have become Muslim at the hands of Sufi shaykhs. Wahhabism has pushed many people away. Not only do they push away potential Muslims, they declare the majority of those who are already Muslims as mushriks and kafirs. They actually do the opposite of da`wa: they decrease the numbers of the umma.

[Mujib]

If we consider Sufism as spiritualism and all human beings as creatures of one God then a non Muslim can be a sufi and vice versa.

If we loosely apply labels, we can make many things fit. But a label, a name, must have an exact meaning, otherwise it loses its significance.

I would love to have your insight in this thread.

It's a long thread. I will try to participate, insha'Allah.

[Friend]

Spades bear fruit.

Calling people to Allah is done by good character and example first and foremost. This is how Sufism has spread Islam wherever it has gone, and this is how it continues to do so. Hundreds and hundreds of Westerners have become Muslim at the hands of Sufi shaykhs. Wahhabism has pushed many people away. Not only do they push away potential Muslims, they declare the majority of those who are already Muslims as mushriks and kafirs. They actually do the opposite of da`wa: they decrease the numbers of the umma.

Sorry to say mujib bro but in the west what you call wahabis are doing dawa. Sufism related people i have seen are involved in making money by donations etc etc.

[Shamlawar Khurasani]

Spades bear fruit.

Calling people to Allah is done by good character and example first and foremost. This is how Sufism has spread Islam wherever it has gone, and this is how it continues to do so. Hundreds and hundreds of Westerners have become Muslim at the hands of Sufi shaykhs. Wahhabism has pushed many people away. Not only do they push away potential Muslims, they declare the majority of those who are already Muslims as mushriks and kafirs. They actually do the opposite of da`wa: they decrease the numbers of the umma.

In the West Sufis distort the teachings of Islam in order to attract people. Salafis say it like it is. Still thousands of people convert to islam every day in salafi masajid.

Sufi dawah is primarily a desi dawah focused on cultural muslims who love halwah and sufi version of christmas.

[Shamlawar Khurasani]

Sufi Dawah video:

[Shamlawar Khurasani]

Sufis celebrating the alleged "birthday" of Prophet Muhammad saw in their own version of christmas:



Read the Urdu text in the background

[Shamlawar Khurasani]

breakdancing and smelly feet kissing sufi convert:

[Shamlawar Khurasani]

A Sikh Sufi:

[Shamlawar Khurasani]

Akhlaaq & Adab of the Afghan Sufis [MENTION=1236]Mujib[/MENTION]




Indeed very spiritual and profound poetry.

[Shamlawar Khurasani]

Teachings of Sufis in Afghanistan

[Shamlawar Khurasani]

Same as the one before

[Mujib]

Here we have it, an entire page of Wahhabi/"Salafi" da`wa. If the above is what we mean by being more active in da`wa, then yes, Wahhabism is far more active.

These sort of YouTube channels are dedicated to promoting Wahhabism and attacking traditional Islam (Sufism included). Subhanallah - the irony of claiming the truth on the one hand and spreading foul language and inappropriate dancing on the other.

[Mujib]

Read the Urdu text in the background

If one is going to encourage the watching of such videos, one should at least inform the readers of its contents beforehand.

Address the relevant points of the discussion instead of flooding the thread with unrelated videos.

[Shamlawar Khurasani]

Subhan Allah, Sufis make those videos, record them, and spread them. But Wahhabis are bad for showing people how deviant the Sufis are.

Makes allot of sense.