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Even Adobe Photoshop can't change me.
A line[Durrand line] of hatred that raised a wall between the two brothers -Hamid Karzai
For generations, the Hindus of India prayed for deliverance from "the venom of the cobra, the teeth of the tiger and the vengeance of the Afghan."
The men of Kábul and Khilj also went home; and whenever they were questioned about the Musulmáns of the Kohistán (the mountains), and how matters stood there, they said, "Don't call it Kohistán, but Afghánistán; for there is nothing there but Afgháns and disturbances." Thus it is clear that for this reason the people of the country call their home in their own language Afghánistán, and themselves Afgháns. The people of India call them Patán; but the reason for this is not known. But it occurs to me, that when, under the rule of Muhammadan sovereigns, Musulmáns first came to the city of Patná, and dwelt there, the people of India (for that reason) called them Patáns—but God knows!
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^This is worthy of debate.
Freedom ... in the general sense isn't that a key reason for a lot of things worth fighting for?Last edited by tor_khan; 01-25-2011, 02:38 PM.
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A good debate.
I will put the question the other way.
Is the freedom of speech worth any thing without education?
The history is the witness that uneducated societies were ruled by dictators, warriors or kings and freedom of speech was never mentioned in their dictionaries.
Education is the basic stepping stone for freedom for individuals, communities and nations. Education, freedom and then freedom of speech. Without education, you can not dream of freedom of speech.The end of Ignorance, is the beginning of Knowledge.
Knowledge has no end. It keeps expanding into the infinity.Comment
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Education is certainly important. However, without freedom of speech, what we learn can be ineffective and useless, not worthless.Even Adobe Photoshop can't change me.
A line[Durrand line] of hatred that raised a wall between the two brothers -Hamid Karzai
For generations, the Hindus of India prayed for deliverance from "the venom of the cobra, the teeth of the tiger and the vengeance of the Afghan."
The men of Kábul and Khilj also went home; and whenever they were questioned about the Musulmáns of the Kohistán (the mountains), and how matters stood there, they said, "Don't call it Kohistán, but Afghánistán; for there is nothing there but Afgháns and disturbances." Thus it is clear that for this reason the people of the country call their home in their own language Afghánistán, and themselves Afgháns. The people of India call them Patán; but the reason for this is not known. But it occurs to me, that when, under the rule of Muhammadan sovereigns, Musulmáns first came to the city of Patná, and dwelt there, the people of India (for that reason) called them Patáns—but God knows!
-Ferishta, 1560–1620Comment
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I agree with you that without freedom of speech, we can not achieve the full effect of education in a society. The effect is curbed by two groups, the ruling class or the religious extremists. In so called Muslim countries, one or the other or both at the same time are active curbing the freedom of speech.
I liked the debate in the video. Debate is a good way of educating people.The end of Ignorance, is the beginning of Knowledge.
Knowledge has no end. It keeps expanding into the infinity.Comment
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I'm glad you enjoyed it Dervaish lala.Even Adobe Photoshop can't change me.
A line[Durrand line] of hatred that raised a wall between the two brothers -Hamid Karzai
For generations, the Hindus of India prayed for deliverance from "the venom of the cobra, the teeth of the tiger and the vengeance of the Afghan."
The men of Kábul and Khilj also went home; and whenever they were questioned about the Musulmáns of the Kohistán (the mountains), and how matters stood there, they said, "Don't call it Kohistán, but Afghánistán; for there is nothing there but Afgháns and disturbances." Thus it is clear that for this reason the people of the country call their home in their own language Afghánistán, and themselves Afgháns. The people of India call them Patán; but the reason for this is not known. But it occurs to me, that when, under the rule of Muhammadan sovereigns, Musulmáns first came to the city of Patná, and dwelt there, the people of India (for that reason) called them Patáns—but God knows!
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Dennis is a very intelligent outspoken man , i saw him last year in october when he came to our uni to give the same talk , i think we always knew there is no freedom of speech any where certainly not on this planet.Comment
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UNIVERSITY OF DERBY FTW
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