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Wowzers. So much to look forward to.
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dear God
if i ever find the need to read an article that long, do provide me with the means by which i could shoot myself in the head.
thank you
I am no bird, and no nest ensnares me.
non commercial would cost less if he was in charge himself which he plans on doing. right now it's n herat but soon it will be in qanadahar.
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Yes, this is kinda true. Law school is a professional school, just like dental school, medical school, etc, its a pricey tuition;however, look at it as a great investment
Here are some examples:
University of California, Los Angeles (UCLA) is a public, non-ivy league university. Their law school's tuition for 2010-2011 is about $40,000 for California residents. Of course, for non-residents it will be a little higher.
Here is the link Tuition and Fees | Prospective Students | UCLA Law
New York Law School is also another great univeristy. Their law school for 2010-2011 tuition runs around $46,000
here is the link New York Law School :: Tuition and Financial Aid
On the other hand, Florida Coastel School of Law is not as pricey. Their law school tuition for 2010 runs around $17,000. http://www.fcsl.edu/tuition
But overall, no one should feel discouraged or anything. Its for your future and education....its an investment.
Plus, there are many law schools that offer programs and work to their students that help pay off their tuition.Last edited by Laila; 01-12-2011, 11:32 PM.Comment
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at the moment though, there is probably not much work going. i saw a program where young uni leavers were doing legal work voluntarily, with poor folks, to keep in the situation and maybe some paid work would come from it.Comment
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It depends on where you want to go. So while the Ivy league schools will charge you A LOT more, there are other schools that will not cost as much. Laila mentioned some state schools, which are excellent schools as well. It's all a numbers game to the law schools. The better GPA's and LSAT scores the school receives the higher their rankings on the US News ranking. That allows you, to pick between which schools you want to attend. Instead of loaning out thousands of dollars for Colombia, you can attend University of Chicago law school where tuition is less. All of the law schools are competing with one another, which again gives you the opportunity to pick another school, one that might not be your first pick, but one that will give you grants and scholarships.
Say, if Georgetown currently ranked #15 does not want to offer you any scholarships, because your GPA and LSAT score is their norm and Washington University ranked #19 wants to offer you scholarships, then its your choice on how much in debt you'd want to be. Cost of living in St.Louis is a lot cheaper than in Washington DC, and if Wash U is going to put up a lot of money, I'd rather attend their school. At the end of the day, the school is still well known and I can still find a good job. There are law schools that offer loan forgiveness programs, however you'll have to work in the public sector. Again, scholarships and grants are out there, you just have to find them. And whoever is looking into law schools, don't attend a school that's lower ranked because they'll still charge you thousands of dollars and your JD from a 2nd tier school will not look as impressive as a 1st tier school.
Yes, at the moment it sucks, but Insha'Allah it'll pick up and we won't have to face being that much in debt and not being able to pay anything off. =/Last edited by kandahari ella; 01-13-2011, 12:50 AM."Do not lose hope in adversity and complain that God singled you out for punishment, remitting others guilty of worse sins. Your present state could very well be His intent to elevate your spiritual station. Or He could just be testing your faith. Everyday that you persevere, you grow closer to perfection. Thus, your present despair may be the beginning of an infinite blessing". - Shaykh Abdul Qadir Jilani.Comment
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If you wish to be a Lawyer, you need to be passionate about it. You can't expect to make six-figures just because you graduated from law-school. Many lawyers who graduate from Mickey-Mouse Law schools can barely find a job. Hell, most of the top firms only recruit Ivy-league students. If you love law, please go for it. Just because a few authors have put the spot-light on a few people who are having difficulties in finding a job does not mean you should change your decision. I think the problem is many people think by graduating from law-school you are almost certainly "guaranteed" a job. No major guaranties you a job.
My opinion on choosing a major was actually very different, and it generally opposes the main-stream view. I don't believing in choosing something you "love".
When you choose a major, you must make sure it has the following:
A)A demand
B)Low supply
C)Critical to a company's bottom line
D)Something you can tolerate and enjoy, not love. If you do love it, more power to you! I can not think of a singer major that doesn't have it's cons.
If law satisfies the aforementioned for you, smile and go for it.Even Adobe Photoshop can't change me.
A line[Durrand line] of hatred that raised a wall between the two brothers -Hamid Karzai
For generations, the Hindus of India prayed for deliverance from "the venom of the cobra, the teeth of the tiger and the vengeance of the Afghan."
The men of Kábul and Khilj also went home; and whenever they were questioned about the Musulmáns of the Kohistán (the mountains), and how matters stood there, they said, "Don't call it Kohistán, but Afghánistán; for there is nothing there but Afgháns and disturbances." Thus it is clear that for this reason the people of the country call their home in their own language Afghánistán, and themselves Afgháns. The people of India call them Patán; but the reason for this is not known. But it occurs to me, that when, under the rule of Muhammadan sovereigns, Musulmáns first came to the city of Patná, and dwelt there, the people of India (for that reason) called them Patáns—but God knows!
-Ferishta, 1560–1620Comment
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^ You are very correct.Comment
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Which is why I recommend you to be a PA, since I already know your situation.Originally posted by Laila View Post
It takes 2 years, high pay, high demand, low supply and little to no debt! :-). If I enjoyed messing with peoples bodies, I would have aimed to be a PA.Even Adobe Photoshop can't change me.
A line[Durrand line] of hatred that raised a wall between the two brothers -Hamid Karzai
For generations, the Hindus of India prayed for deliverance from "the venom of the cobra, the teeth of the tiger and the vengeance of the Afghan."
The men of Kábul and Khilj also went home; and whenever they were questioned about the Musulmáns of the Kohistán (the mountains), and how matters stood there, they said, "Don't call it Kohistán, but Afghánistán; for there is nothing there but Afgháns and disturbances." Thus it is clear that for this reason the people of the country call their home in their own language Afghánistán, and themselves Afgháns. The people of India call them Patán; but the reason for this is not known. But it occurs to me, that when, under the rule of Muhammadan sovereigns, Musulmáns first came to the city of Patná, and dwelt there, the people of India (for that reason) called them Patáns—but God knows!
-Ferishta, 1560–1620Comment
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I don't know about the demand for PAs in California.. do you Laila?
Daa zma lewanay Zrra gorah, daa sta lewanee Mina..
Za ba da Sahra warnakam da Iran pa Golestan,
Dalta za yao & yakta yam, halta zar zma pa Shaan.
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Practicing law does not mean you have to work for a top law firm and work 80 hours a week. There are small law firms, the state, the federal government and even boutique law firms where you can work less, but still have a decent salary. Yes, it won't be anything in the six figures, but if you love what you're doing then go for it. I know attorneys were I work that could work other places and make 30-50k more, but they love where they work and enjoy what they are fighting for. They didn't go to the top law schools, or get jobs at the top law firms, but their happy with what they do.
Education is not the only factor that will help you find a job, you need the experience and connections to make it into places. I know plenty of people that graduated from Micky Mouse law school and have managed to get into good, stable jobs at really good law firms because of the connections and experience they have.
Basically being a law is not just what you see on TV, there's so much more involved and so many different fields and firms. Whomever wants to go into law- they just have to really look into everything and see if they love the job. After all, lawyers do have the most burn out rate of any other profession."Do not lose hope in adversity and complain that God singled you out for punishment, remitting others guilty of worse sins. Your present state could very well be His intent to elevate your spiritual station. Or He could just be testing your faith. Everyday that you persevere, you grow closer to perfection. Thus, your present despair may be the beginning of an infinite blessing". - Shaykh Abdul Qadir Jilani.Comment
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Yes exactly. It is my backup plan, if medical school did not work out for me. But for someone like me, economically is a lot smarter. If i do chose to be a PA, no doubt would i do a PHD in it.Originally posted by Admin Khan View PostComment
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Originally posted by Mayana View Post
^ Mayana jan, that post will help you out.
PAs are in high demand for this generation and upcoming too. There are only 8 PA schools/programs in California, it is very, very competitive.Comment
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Can't you do the PA course-work, complete the course-work and later apply for Med-school? Doesn't that sound plausible? Don't the courses overlap? Why do Pre-med when you can begin working on plan B? BarakzaiAbdali said anyone can apply to Med school as long as you satisfies the pre-reqs. Take the pre-reqs and complete your PA. If your change your mind about Med-school you have something to fall back on.Originally posted by Laila View Post
Kandahari-Ella,
I agree. It's about naseeb. However, when we speak of opportunities and chances, those who graduate from Ivy-league schools have far better chances in landing secure and comfortable jobs as opposed to Mickey-mouse graduates. It's certainly not fair, but that's life. You can even become the president of the USA if you graduate from an Ivy-league Law-school. As I said before, If anyone has a passion for Law and if it's something you enjoy, go for it. Whether it be a Mickey-mouse institution or Ivy-league, fulfill your dream.
President Obama graduated from a top-Law school in NYC. Lawyers can do a lot with their law-degree. They don't necessarily have to process immigration paperwork.Even Adobe Photoshop can't change me.
A line[Durrand line] of hatred that raised a wall between the two brothers -Hamid Karzai
For generations, the Hindus of India prayed for deliverance from "the venom of the cobra, the teeth of the tiger and the vengeance of the Afghan."
The men of Kábul and Khilj also went home; and whenever they were questioned about the Musulmáns of the Kohistán (the mountains), and how matters stood there, they said, "Don't call it Kohistán, but Afghánistán; for there is nothing there but Afgháns and disturbances." Thus it is clear that for this reason the people of the country call their home in their own language Afghánistán, and themselves Afgháns. The people of India call them Patán; but the reason for this is not known. But it occurs to me, that when, under the rule of Muhammadan sovereigns, Musulmáns first came to the city of Patná, and dwelt there, the people of India (for that reason) called them Patáns—but God knows!
-Ferishta, 1560–1620Comment
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Ha ha ha yes I can do that. If i was to do that, no doubt would a medical school accept me right away.Originally posted by Admin Khan View Post
But then why do that? You know.....PAs work just as hard as an MD. Many PAs have a higher salary than their MD counterparts. And also PAs can go for their PHD and recieve their doctorate.
If you were to go to PA school then medical school....you just saw everything already. Medical school would be a breeze. However, when you finish medical school, you have 3-7 years (depending on the specializaion) of residency/fellowship/internship. You would be working 11-16 hours a day at the ER with a salary lower than how much you were making as a PA. As a PA i would have maybe only $100,000-150,000 student debt. Then as a graduated medical student, it would be double that! Maybe someone would want that....however if i was to do PA, i would be comfortable enough where i would be and how much i would accomplish.Comment
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My question is why don't you do that? Why be a Pre-med major instead? I don't want you crying until 4AM when you find out your favorite med school did not accept you. You should be preparing for plan B. Pre-med is not no plan B, completing a PA program should be your plan B. My advice to you is to begin working on it the minute school starts. It's a win-win situation for you. Don't get me wrong, It's your choice.Originally posted by Laila View Post
I know, I know. I am very biased.Even Adobe Photoshop can't change me.
A line[Durrand line] of hatred that raised a wall between the two brothers -Hamid Karzai
For generations, the Hindus of India prayed for deliverance from "the venom of the cobra, the teeth of the tiger and the vengeance of the Afghan."
The men of Kábul and Khilj also went home; and whenever they were questioned about the Musulmáns of the Kohistán (the mountains), and how matters stood there, they said, "Don't call it Kohistán, but Afghánistán; for there is nothing there but Afgháns and disturbances." Thus it is clear that for this reason the people of the country call their home in their own language Afghánistán, and themselves Afgháns. The people of India call them Patán; but the reason for this is not known. But it occurs to me, that when, under the rule of Muhammadan sovereigns, Musulmáns first came to the city of Patná, and dwelt there, the people of India (for that reason) called them Patáns—but God knows!
-Ferishta, 1560–1620Comment
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