Bangladesh seeking $4.32bn wartime equitable share from Pakistan

[Bengal_Tiger]

Bangladesh seeking $4.32bn wartime equitable share from Pakistan

Tribune Report

Foreign Minister AH Mahmood Ali has told the parliament that the incumbent government has been continuing its diplomatic efforts to realise Bangladesh’s equitable share from Pakistan.

“Bangladesh has been repeatedly pressing its demand for equitable share in properties worth about $4.32 billion of the undivided Pakistan,” the minister said while replying to a question yesterday.

Besides, Bangladesh is also demanding that Pakistan returns $200 million in foreign aid which was transferred from the Dhaka branch to the Lahore branch of State Bank of Pakistan during the Liberation War in 1971. The amount was supposed to be used for rehabilitating a cyclone-hit Bangladesh, then East Pakistan, in 1970, the minister said.

He said that Bangladesh raised the issue at different bilateral meetings held between 1977 and 2012.

Responding to another query, the minister said since 1972 Bangladesh and India have signed 87 treaties or memorandums of understandings.

Mahmood said among the 87 treaties, MoU and exchange of instruments, 22 were signed during the Indian Prime Minister Narendra Modi’s Bangladesh visit on June 6-7 this year.

“Implementation process of treaties has already started. It is a continuous process.”

- See more at: http://www.dhakatribune.com/banglade....BESerUw0.dpuf


[MENTION=3580]asad71[/MENTION]


1. The Pakistani regime needs to apologize to Bangladesh and to the Muslim ummah in general for their 1971 genocide as they put ethnicity above religion, they were not prepared to let a fellow Muslim (Mujib) rule the country due to his race, i.e. he was Bengali.

Bengalis despite being the majority had for years accepted Pakistanis as leaders, but the racist Pakistanis could not accept it the other way round (and no I am not talking about weak figureheads but an actual Bengali-dominated government).

If the regime doesn't then the bloodthirsty American-backed army which runs the country needs to.

If they don't, then may Allah destroy them.



2. They also need to return all stolen money to Bangladesh.



If Pakistan does not seek to atone for its sins in 1971 then we will see what fate awaits them.

The Islamic scholars and saints (awliya) of the sub-continent in the 1940s had forewarned of the tragic and bloody future of the whole Pakistan project, they are being proven right, day by day.

[Shamlawar Khurasani]

Pakistan is a poor country. Bengalis should ask for money from Britain.

[Da Bannu Mazdigar]

I believe we should apologize to Bangladesh for 1971,infact my leader Imran khan has already made sure that he will apologize on behalf of Pakistan most likely in 2018 when he's the PM.

But the thing that concerns me are the common People of Bangladesh,who are as much victim of Hindutva's terrorism as much we are.

We are seperated but we still share the pain and we will help our brothers and sisters get rid of the Hindu Govt in Power and its online pawn like Bengali tiger

[marwat]

pakistan is going to sell their ass very soon.

[Bengal_Tiger]

1. The Pakistani military which ultimately rules Pakistan has no intention of giving the money and has no remorse over the 1971 genocide. Bangladesh is only seen through the prism of Indo-Pak competition and India "scored" a massive "point" against Pakistan by helping Bangladesh to become free, so the bloodthirsty Pakistani military are yearning for revenge.

So there will be no apology and no money if the Pakistani military has its way.


2. However the Bangladeshi government should continuously call for an apology, division of assets and other things. They lose nothing by asking for it.


3. Islamically the Pakistan army has to make taubah for betraying Islam and the Amanah (trust) they had to protect the lives of Pakistani men, women and children whom they instead of protecting ended up slaughtering i.e. Pakistani civilians of Bengali ethnicity.

If the Pakistan army does not fulfill their Islamic obligation to apologize then nothing can save them from the wrath of Allah be it their masters in the USA or their suggar daddies in the deserts of Saudi Arabia.

The 2007-2014 terrorism crisis in Pakistan can repeat itself and the Baloch still want freedom.

Beyond that in the hereafter the traitor Pakistan army will be accountable to Allah ta'ala for their crimes.

[asad71]

1. This talk of apology is really B/S in SA society. Its okay in Japan, Korea or China.
2. Pakistan needs to pay us our share of wealth/assets. This can be in cash or kind. If they are broke, that's tough luck. I guess they need to seek help from their Arab friends.
3. As victors we need to demand war reparations. That is in addition to compensations for our losses in life and property. I believe Germany and Japan has been paying these till recently.
4. But people of BD have always demanded that Pak war criminals are tried in their own country. That will be good for their history and society. People should know who did what in the events leading to '71 and in '71.

[Bengal_Tiger]

1. This talk of apology is really B/S in SA society. Its okay in Japan, Korea or China.
2. Pakistan needs to pay us our share of wealth/assets. This can be in cash or kind. If they are broke, that's tough luck. I guess they need to seek help from their Arab friends.
3. As victors we need to demand war reparations. That is in addition to compensations for our losses in life and property. I believe Germany and Japan has been paying these till recently.
4. But people of BD have always demanded that Pak war criminals are tried in their own country. That will be good for their history and society. People should know who did what in the events leading to '71 and in '71.

1. There is no way on earth that Pakistan will apologize, let alone pay us money, there is more chance of Mike Tyson becoming president of the USA than that.

2. Pakistanis are racists who consider it beneath them to apologize to "lowly, inferior Bengalis".

The whole genocide took place because of that reason, Pakistanis voted for Mujib to be their leader in 1970, the army said no to the Pakistani nation.

The army started killing Pakistanis in 1971 and Pakistanis rebelled against the army.

The problem is the "Pakistanis" who did all this i.e. vote for Mujib, resist the army genocide against them were not "real Pakistanis" for Punjabis but were "machlee Bengalis" (fish-eating Bengalis).


3. However the government of Bangladesh should continuously demand an apology, division of assets and a reparation. We lose nothing by asking for our legitimate demands.

4. If Pakistan doesn't do this - which it won't - then the anger of Allah ta'ala and his "ghadab" (anger) and his "la'na" (curse) will be upon the country as Islam says you must apologize to those you have wronged and seek their forgiveness.

Pakistan is a failed terrorist state with 2 million slaves, 41 million people without toilets, ruled by a military junta with a civilian administration as cosmetic make up, feudalism, religious extremism etc.

It is heading for the dustbin of history insha'Allah and for a shameful and humiliating demise as foretold by the Islamic scholars and saints (awliya) of India in the 1940s who warned against the catastrophe that is now Pakistan.

[asad71]

Never-the-less both nations need each other for the preservation of the Islamic faith in SA. Although SA has the largest concentration of Muslims, we face a neo-Andalusia project of inquisition and eradication at the hands of the Hindu extremists. We can only pray for sensible leadership to rise in both political and intellectual arena of both BD and Pakistan.

[Bengal_Tiger]

1. In 1971 Pakistanis chose ethnicity above religion. They rejected a Bengali leader and mainly Bengali government because they saw them as inferior and refused to be ruled by them, they did not see them as Muslims or believe in Muslim unity. This is though Bengalis had accepted rule by West Pakistanis for two decades in the name of Muslim unity.

2. Pakistan has regressed rather than progressed on the whole 1971 issue and in the future people will view this regression with contempt and derision e.g. the recent Pakistani foreign ministry denial of their role in the 1971 genocide, despite:

a: The Hamoodur Rahman commission pointing out to the genocide see below.

b: Musharraf's indirect admission of atrocities a few years ago mentioning excesses.

This is what the Hamoodur Rahman, an official Pakistani report, in to the atrocities of the Pakistan army in 1971 says:

“The excesses committed by the Pakistani Army fall into the following categories:- a) Excessive use of force and fire power in Dacca during the night of the 25th and 26th of March 1971 when the military operation was launched. b) Senseless and wanton arson and killings in the countryside during the course of the “sweeping operations” following the military action. c) Killing of intellectuals and professionals like doctors, engineers, etc and burying them in mass graves not only during early phases of the military action but also during the critical days of the war in December 1971. d) Killing of Bengali Officers and men of the units of the East Bengal Regiment, East Pakistan Rifles and the East Pakistan Police Force in the process of disarming them, or on pretence of quelling their rebellion. e) Killing of East Pakistani civilian officers, businessmen and industrialists, or their mysterious disappearance from their homes by or at the instance of Army Officers performing Martial Law duties. f) Raping of a large number of East Pakistani women by the officers and men of the Pakistan army as a deliberate act of revenge, retaliation and torture. g) Deliberate killing of members of the Hindu minority.”

The Pakistan army ran sex camps for Muslim Bengali women in east Pakistan who were considered sex-slaves or "right hand possess", a perversion of Quranic text.


Despite this the Pakistani establishment as Islamabadi poster [MENTION=17210]Tiger Khan[/MENTION] who mixes with the Pakistani elite know full-well that they carried out genocide and internally due to psychological reasons many in the military are traumatized by the huge amount of blood they shed, one example being Nadir Ali.



Nadir Ali, a Pakistani officer who was traumatized by the atrocities of the Pakistan army in Bangladesh in 1971.

I returned to West Pakistan and broke down with paranoid schizophrenia, completely out of touch with reality. I was a mental patient for two years, was hospitalized for six months and lost my memory in the process of treatment. I was retired as a disabled person in 1973. Over many years, I have rediscovered and reconstructed myself as a Punjabi poet.

Link


3. The cause for the childish and obviously ridiculous denial of the Bangladesh genocide by the Pakistan army is due to the Pakistani armys belief that it is locked in a mortal geo-political chess game with India and that if it does not defend its "assets" in Bangladesh (such as the pro-Pakistan Jamaat e Islami) it will lose against India.

However for Pakistan as a nation and society they have suffered.

Instead of a mature and adult acceptance of what happened and a subsequent progression from that including a development of a more civic, human-rights, progressive nationalism which does not make it a heretical sin to not be an army fanboy, an army-worshipper, we are seeing this immature behaviour.

By accepting the reality and by desiring a reduction of the power of the army in Pakistan, Pakistani society can then progress and deal with many issues such as the Baloch crisis, militancy and terrorism issue, rather than silencing all criticism and critics and immediately labelling them as "traitors".



The sister of Jinnah was called a traitor and Indian secret agent. In Pakistan anyone who desires something contrary to the army agenda is instantly labelled as a "traitor", as Pakistani nationalists, Pakistan-walas and army-walas believe that Pakistan belongs to the generals and their army and everyone must support them or he is a traitor.

Pakistan has lost.

Pakistan has become a poorer nation as a result.

My condolences to all those members of Pakistani civil society who had strove to make Pakistan a better more peaceful place and to build on from the tragedy of 1971.



The whole world knows what happened in 1971 and the Pakistani regime (no doubt ordered to by their military, the generals of Rawalpindi) have carried out a childish move.



The Blood Telegram was a telegram by an American diplomat working for the USA which was militarily allied to Pakistan. In this telegram he expressed utter shock at the carnage and genocide being carried out by the Pakistan army in Bangladesh.



Article on the Bangladesh genocide by Pakistani writer (of Christian origin), Anthony Mascarenhas.









New York Times quoting westerners i.e. Britons.



The Guardian, the part in red talks about how women were bayoneted, children murdered and other crimes.





Senator Edward Kennedy who campaigned against the Pakistani genocide in Bangladesh.


- The whole world knows that the Pakistani army carried out atrocities in Bangladesh on a bigger scale than ISIS and worse than ISIS including the murder of babies.

- The Pakistani elite as [MENTION=17210]Tiger Khan[/MENTION] who lives in Islamabad and socializes with this elite will tell you, knows full well the crimes that their army committed and psychologically there is a deep self-disgust at what they did, not because they particularly like Bengalis (they don't) but the human being as an animal is not naturally geared towards such killing and inhumanity. It is an inhumanity and animalistic cruelty that ultimately haunts those who perpetrate it due to its intrinsic ugliness and darkness.

Even if Pakistan never apologizes, which it probably never will until like many tyrannical societies before it, it collapses, God above knows the true crimes and barbarism of the Pakistani nation.

God will judge, and the justice of God is the supreme justice and cannot be escaped.



Two giants, Bacha Khan and Wali Khan (rahmatullahi 'alaihima). The two Pashtun nationalists (father and son) helped Bengalis before and during the 1971 war. Wali Khan rescued a Bengali diplomat's son and helped him to flee to Kabul.

[Bengal_Tiger]

Pakistan's Insistence on Denial


Posted: 12/03/2015 6:44 pm EST Updated: 12/03/2015 8:59 pm EST

Pakistan has denied any wrong doing and committing any war crimes during the civil war of 1971 that resulted in the creation of Bangladesh from erstwhile East Pakistan. This doubling down on denial of an almost universally acknowledged fact came amidst a war of words between Islamabad and Dhaka that began with Pakistan's Foreign Office expressing "deep concern" and anguish" over the "unfortunate executions" of two Bangladeshi politicians accused of torture, rape and genocide during the civil war of 1971. Ali Ahsan Mohammad Mujahid of the Jamaat e Islami and Salahuddin Quader Chowdhury of the Bangladesh National Party (BNP) had been convicted by War Crimes Courts set up by the Bangladesh government.

The legitimacy of the process that resulted in conviction and execution of Pakistani collaborators has been subject of some dispute and controversy but the fact of Pakistani forces terrorizing Bengali civilians is almost undisputed. Pakistan insists on denying war crimes against the people of Bangladesh and has reacted adversely and openly to executions in Bangladesh tied to the 1971 genocide.

In December 2013 when Bangladesh executed Abdul Qader Molla, a man accused of targeting Bangladeshi intellectuals on the eve of Pakistan's surrender to Indian and Bangladeshi forces, Pakistan's foreign office issued a condemnatory statement. Pakistan's National Assembly and the provincial assembly of the largest province, Punjab, both adopted resolutions condemning Molla's execution. This was followed by protests in Sindh organized by Pakistan's Jamaat e Islami and Jamaat ud Dawa (designated a terrorist groups internationally).

This time, too, the Jamaat e Islami has held protest rallies in Lahore against the Bangladeshi decision.

The 1971 civil war resulted not only in the loss of Pakistan's eastern wing, it was also a blow to the country's prestige. Bangladesh was from 1947 to 1971 the more populous but impoverished half of Pakistan. Islamabad has never honestly or seriously examined why the majority of its population chose to secede from the country with the help of India, which is often described by Pakistan's leaders as their country's arch-enemy.

Most independent analysts agree that around 1.5-2 million people were killed during the civil war and Pakistani-sponsored genocide of 1971. While Pakistan formally recognized Bangladesh in 1974 it never issued an official apology for its actions during the war. The 1972 Hamoodur Rehman commission report, constituted by the Pakistani government, accused the Pakistan army of senseless and wanton arson, killings and rape but the report was buried and found light of day decades later, only after being leaked to an Indian newspaper.

The closest any Pakistan leader came to issuing an apology to Bangladesh was former Pakistani military ruler General Pervez Musharraf. On an official visit to Dhaka in July 2002 Musharraf visited a war memorial at Savar, near the capital, Dhaka, and wrote in the visitors' book: "Your brothers and sisters in Pakistan share the pain of the events in 1971. The excesses committed during the unfortunate period are regretted. Let us bury the past in the spirit of magnanimity. Let not the light of the future be dimmed."

The recent statement by Pakistan's foreign office, however, demonstrates that instead of an acknowledgement of what happened in 1971 there is still an insistence upon refusal to accept historic facts. Pakistan's military, dominated by ethnic Punjabis, supports a national narrative based on denial and false pride. In that narrative Pakistan is always a victim of conspiracies of anti-Islamic forces, never the perpetrator of any wrongdoing. But without acknowledging the blunders of the past, it is difficult that Pakistan will ever be able to move forward.

An inability to reconcile errors and genocide of the past is a sure recipe to making similar blunders in the future. Right now the picture inside Pakistan is not pretty. Every province is facing insurgency or conflict of one kind or another. For Pakistan's Punjabi-led military, putting down ethnic rights movements takes priority over fighting Islamist terrorists it has nurtured for regional influence.

In Pakistan's financial capital and largest city, Karachi, the military is targeting the secular political party MQM (Muttahida Qaumi Mahaz), whom it accuses of engaging in criminal activities. The pursuit of the MQM detracts the army from locating elements of the Taliban, both Afghan and Pakistani, who seek a safe haven in that city. The core attitude of Pakistan's military, it seems, has changed little since Punjabi soldier went on rampage against Bengalis after the latter voted in 1970 for a political party whose worldview was unacceptable to West Pakistan's ruling elite.

Punjab, now Pakistan's most populous province with 53 percent of the country's population, provides 72 percent of Pakistan's army. It also is the home to the majority of foot soldiers for Jihadi groups wreaking havoc on Pakistan and its neighbors. That includes sectarian terrorists, Afghan Taliban and anti-India militants including groups like the one that was responsible for the 2008 Mumbai terror attacks.

The Tehreek e Taliban Pakistan and its allied jihadi groups have ensured that Khyber Pakhtunkhwa and the FATA region (Federally Administered Tribal Areas) are not secure or stable from Pakistan's perspective. Pakistan also faces an insurgency in Balochistan since the 1970s that has worsened in recent years with the 'kill and dump' policy adopted by Pakistan's military-intelligence establishment.

Not only is Pakistan being torn apart by these insurgencies, but its citizens are participating in insurgencies in other parts of the world. Pakistanis have been members of Al Qaeda and prominent leaders of that movement Khalid Shaikh Mohammad and Ramzi Yusuf considered Pakistan their home. That Osama bin Laden was found in a Pakistani garrisons city speaks volumes of the influence of global terrorists in that country.

These days, Pakistanis have been killed fighting on both sides of the war in Syria. Pakistani Sunnis have volunteered to fight for both the Al Qaeda affiliate Al Nusra Front as well as the ISIS in Syria while Pakistani Shias seem to be fighting as part of the Pakistani Shi'a militia Zainabiyoun Brigade.

Under such circumstances, Pakistan should be focusing on its internal challenges. Instead it is increasingly adopting a hyper nationalist stance against India and now Bangladesh. Afghanistan has been unhappy for years with Pakistan's support for the Taliban. Pakistan is becoming increasingly isolated in South Asia because it is insisting on denying facts that its neighbors know to be reality.

According to scholar and former Pakistani Ambassador to the United States, Husain Haqqani, the roots of this lie in Pakistan's desire for parity with India. Pakistani leaders are obsessed with matching, or surpassing, India's stature, prestige and military capability. But Pakistan's denial of harsh realities and insistence on its 'we do no wrong' rhetoric has worsened its ties not only with India but its other neighbors as well.

Pakistan's ties with Afghanistan have deteriorated over Pakistan's security establishment insistence on following its age-old policy of supporting jihadi groups in Afghanistan. Kabul insists that Islamabad-Rawalpindi is responsible for the lack of stability and security within Afghanistan whereas Pakistan continues to deny that it is involved. As a result Pakistan's economy and its people are suffering because unless Pakistan allows transit to India, Kabul is refusing to allow Islamabad trade with Central Asia.

Even Iran, which was historically close to Pakistan, has turned hostile. Every few months, there are incidents reported of firing by Iranian border guards to "target terrorists" trying to enter Iran from Pakistan. Iran asserts- but Pakistan denies - that Pakistan is allowing Balochistan to be used as safe havens by Sunni jihadi groups like Jundullah that operate inside Iran.

The policy of encouraging Pakistani citizens to join jihadi militias after being trained by the army dates back to the 1971 civil war. The 'war criminals' currently on trial in Bangladesh were religious fanatics trained to augment Pakistan's military capability against its disaffected Bengali population. Now, Jihadis are expected to help the Pakistan army maintain control on Karachi and Balochistan while helping Pakistan extend its influence in Afghanistan and the Indian state of Jammu and Kashmir.

The insistence on denying that Pakistan committed atrocities during the Bangladesh war of 1971 reflects the refusal of the Pakistani elite to accept the folly of using jihad as an element of state policy. Denials notwithstanding, Pakistan's army attempted genocide in Bangladesh and still failed to hold on to its eastern wing. Instead of benefitting Pakistan, its current Jihadi policy will only radicalize its society further and increase stress along its various faultlines.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/aparna-pande/pakistans-insistence-on-d_b_8714020.html

[MENTION=1498]ComradePashtun[/MENTION]
[MENTION=17582]Al-Afghani[/MENTION]
[MENTION=2329]Karachi[/MENTION]





1. Pakistanis need to try and liberate their country as it is in real terms a military state ruled by a brutal junta. A junta obsessed with India and which has a civilian administration merely for cosmetic purposes whilst all strategic and major decisions are decided by the army.


2. It is this army which runs Pakistan which is obsessed with India and geo-political chess games with India including "strategic depth" in Afghanistan.

A proper civilian government will be more interested in feeding Pakistan's 0.2 billion (200 million) ever-expanding population.

Karachi is a city of around 20 million and is bursting at the seams with Pakistan's rural poor migrating there every day.


A proper civilian government in Pakistan will seek peace with India, Afghanistan and Bangladesh rather than sponsoring terrorism in all three states.



Pakistani generals, who rule Pakistan. Pakistan's notoriously corrupt army which is involved real estate deals, commerical money-making projects for officers is driving the poor Asian country with 0.2 billion population to disaster including confrontation and terrorism against all of its regional neighbours.

[tilla_jogian]

First take back 3 million bundhu muhajirs back and then demand $4 billion or whatever.