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    *** KARACHI FOCUS ***


    News, commentary, discussion and analysis on Karachi.


    - 2nd biggest city in the world.

    - Biggest city in the Muslim world.

    - Biggest number of Pashtuns in the world.












    Background

    Karachi is a mega-city and one of the most unique in the world. Its sheer heterogeneity and the unfortunated related ethnic division and polarization in the city is something very distinctive.

    It has a population of around 23 million according to some estimates which for example is more than 21 of the 28 countries of the EU.

    It has the largest number of Pashtuns in the world.

    There are more Pashtuns in Karachi than in Kabul, Pekhawar, Quetta or Kandahar.

    Some say there may be as many as 7 million Pashtuns in Karachi.



    Shahi Syed, famous Pakhtun of Karachi.

    It has the third largest number of (east) Bengalis in the world, after Dhaka and Chittagong. There are more Bengalis in Karachi than in Bangladesh's third largest city, Khulna.

    There are estimated to be 2-3 million Bengalis in Karachi.



    The government of Bangladesh adopts the same policy to Karachi Bengalis as Japan does to expatriate Japanese communities abroad i.e. disassociate itself from them and state that they are not the responsibility of the national government.

    In addition to this however there are many other ethnicities, religions, sects, castes and other communities.

    Balochis

    Karachi is home to a few million Baloch and was said to be originally founded by them and the original name of Karachi was in fact Kalachi.

    Karachi is in fact very close to Balochistan itself.

    Many upper-class Sindhis are of Baloch origin including their nationalists such as Abdul Qadir Magsi and even former president Asif Zardari himself.


    Sindhis.

    Karachi though founded by the Baloch falls within the borders of the Sindh province.




    Sindhi topi (hat) day.

    What many people don't realize is that Islamically Sindhis are a very important nation historically, it is even said that Imam Awza'ee was of Sindhi origin (one of the founders of the Islamic schools of law which went obselete the 4 remaining are the Hanafi, Shafi', Maliki and Hanbali). The teacher of Abdul Wahab was also a Sindhi, Muhammad Hayat as-Sindhi. There is even a Sindhi scholar/wali that a friend of mine knows who lives in Naokhali, Bangladesh.

    The wife of the famous Bangladeshi independence figure and international legal expert from Bangladesh, Kamal, is also an ethnic Sindhi but a Bangladeshi, Dr Hameeda Hossain.



    Dr Hameeda Hossain, a Bangladeshi of Sindhi ethnicity second from the left.

    There are pro-independence movements in Sindh with figures such as Dr Abdul Qadir Magsi and the late Bashir Qureishi.



    Sindhi freedom activist, Dr Qadir Magsi.



    Bangladeshi politician Mujib with the father of Sindhi nationalism, G.M. Syed.



    "Mohajirs"

    Mohajir is a term for Muslim migrants to Pakistan during partition of non-Punjabi background. Sometimes called "Urdu-speakers" this is misleading as Mohajir is a term which includes Gujarati and Kachi speakers and in some contexts can even be inclusive of certain Bengalis.

    The Mohajir community is heterogeneous and there are claims that 1/3 of them are of "Pathan" origin, i.e. Indian Muslims with Afghan/Pashtun ancestry, and that 25% are Shia.

    Mohajirs include:

    - Dehliwalas, people from Delhi such as former dictator and war criminal, Pervez Musharraf.

    - Biharis, such as MQM leader Altaf Hussain, looked down upon to an extent by other Mohajirs.

    - UPwalas, people from Uttar Pradesh, India's biggest state historically.

    - Hyderabadis

    - Gujaratis (including Kachis, Memons etc)

    and other sub-communities.

    Mohajirs are the biggest community in Karachi and some to an extent feel it is "their" city. Mohajirs were traditionally supporters of Pan-Pakistani nationalism and centralism in the absence of any local indigenous regional ethnic nationalism. However with the rise of Sindhi nationalism including the quota system, Mohajir nationalism increased also partly in opposition to Pashtun nationalism.

    Mohajir and Pashtun nationalists have had an unstable relationship in the city.

    The main Mohajir nationalist party is the MQM led by Altaf Hussain.


    In another thread in the future I will focus on Mohajirs specifically.

    In addition to Pashtuns, Bengalis, Balochis, Sindhis and Mohajirs there are other communities in Karachi including Punjabis (including the security forces), Burmese, Afghans and even a small Zoroastrian community (I used to speak to a Karachite Zoroastrian online briefly).


    The city is politically unstable with a lot of violence but has a coastline and is the economic centre of Pakistan.

    If Karachi collapses, Pakistan collapses.
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    Shukran ya Masr!!!

    Thanks to Egypt for supporting Bangladesh against Pakistani harassment and support for terrorists and war criminals!!

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    This thread is not just about politics but a general focus thread on different aspects of the massive city that is Karachi.

    Some pictures.









































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    • #3


      A poster which is now being displayed all around Karachi.

      Remember there may be up to 7 million Pashtuns in Karachi and for them a poster like this and the construction of new houses is far more relevant to them than some of the topics discussed on this forum, as far as I know Shehbaz Khan is the only semi-active "Pashtun" (though very Pakified - and on my ignore list) on this forum, [MENTION=225]Levanaye Zalmaye[/MENTION] no longer posts here.




      Note the name "Sadozai".
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      • #4





        Fazia project:



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        • #5
          Next Karachi mayor likely to be from MQM — PTI, JI face setback


          December 6, 2015 @ 11:25 AM by Azhar Khan Published in Top News


          KARACHI: The much-hyped local government elections in Karachi ended amid minor incidents of violence and management and the trend so far shows that Muttahida Qaumi Movement (MQM) is likely to bring next Karachi mayor as the party has secured majority of seats in the polls.



          According to latest unofficial results, MQM has secured 135 seats out of total 209 union councils. While the party made a clean sweep in the District Central.

          On the contrary, Pakistan People’s Party stands at second position with 19 seats of chairmen, followed by independent candidates with nine seats, PTI with six seats. Pakistan Muslim League (Nawaz) is behind PTI with five seats; comes next Jamaat-e-Islami with four seats of chairmen in the metropolis.

          The PTI-JI alliance could bag only 13 seats so far, with political analysts calling it a major blow to both the parties.

          The leading candidates in the electoral alliance between Jamaat-e-Islami and Pakistan Tehreek-s-Insaf suffered major setback. JI Karachi chief Hafiz Naeemur Rehman, PTI Karachi leader Ali Zaidi, while PPP’s Karachi President Najmi Alam lost the contest.


          Karachi chiefs of PPP (L), PTI (C) and JI (R) lost in the local bodies election.

          The election were held in six districts of Karachi – District Central, District West, District Korangi, District East, District South and District Malir.


          In Karachi, there were 209 union committees and 38 union councils. Voters in urban areas of Karachi will elect 1,210 members while those in rural areas will vote for 304 seats in 38 union councils.

          Main parties contesting the polls were Muttahida Qaumi Movement, the Pakistan People’s Party, Pakistan Tehreek-e-Insaf in alliance with Jamaat-e-Islami. While the Pakistan Muslim League-Nawaz, the Jamiat Ulema-e-Islam-Fazl, the Awami National Party and the Pakistan Rah-e-Haq Party (faction of Ahle Sunnat Wal Jamaat), had also fielded their candidates.


          According to Election Commission of Pakistan, as many as 48 candidates had already returned unopposed in all 247 union committees and councils. Eighteen candidates have been elected unopposed in District Central, followed by 13 in West, nine in South, six in Malir and two in East.

          The ECP had declared 1,791 polling stations out of total 4,141 as highly sensitive. Only 234 polling stations in the city were declared normal.

          The Sindh government had deployed 35,057 police personnel, 7,400 Rangers soldiers and 10 army companies each with 80 soldiers in the city to maintain peace and order on polling day.





          Good news Jamaat e Islami got beaten.

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          • #6
            ISIS apparently killed two Pakistani soldiers (military police) in Karachi a few days back.



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            • #7


              "We Need Rights Of Karachi Because #Karachi Generates 70% revenue for Pakistan"

              Twitter @@khizraanees
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              • #8
                Ok.
                yao warokay ghwandi baagh ao pa khwa ye seen rawan!

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                • #9
                  Junaid Jamshed begins campaign to solve Karachi's issues


                  Last Updated On 16 August,2016 07:54 pm



                  Junaid Jamshed and a social organisation have started a joint campaign to resolve Karachi's issues


                  KARACHI: (Dunya News) – Religious scholar Junaid Jamshed and a social organisation have initiated a joint campaign to solve Karachi’s issues. Citizens can launch their complaints with this campaign titled ‘Hum Se Hai Karachi’ (Lit: Karachi is from us), reported Dunya News.

                  The campaign was announced in a joint press conference by Junaid Jamshed and social organisation Jafariya Disaster Cell. They said that the campaign aimed at highlighting the issues faced by the common people before the officials without any discrimination on political, religious or linguistic bases.

                  A helpline number 1024 has also been introduced in this regard. However, the citizens may contact the helpline after filing their complaints with the respective departments. The campaign has three phases including finding the solutions for issues pertaining to availability of water and electricity, repairing the broken roads and helping the injured in road accidents.

                  Junaid Jamshed also presented the car that would pick 7 tons of rubbish from the city daily.

                  Junaid Jamshed begins campaign to solve Karachi's issues - Pakistan - Dunya News
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                  • #10
                    Karachi is also filthiest most disgusting city with the most murders and crime. It is also the place where human trafficking is concentrated.
                    Originally posted by Firdousi
                    Never talk with Afghans about politics. All their political knowledge is limited to conspiracy theories, political demonization and contradictions. No logic, no reason.

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                    • #11
                      SPLIT DISCUSSION FROM THIS THREAD:



                      Bengal_Tiger:

                      Now for obvious reasons I don't like the state of Pakistan and especially its brutal and barbaric army but I am respected on this forum for my objectivity and mature nature, so if you are willing to engage in an intelligent manner like another Pakistani user @Porus then I can discuss with you otherwise you will be placed on ignore like the various trolls, Arab nationalist fanatics, Albanian-wannabes of this forum.

                      1. The majority of Pakistanis across the ethnic divide support the state of Pakistan this includes "Mohajirs" (a somewhat problematic but nevertheless convenient term), indeed "Mohajirs" were the most Pakistan-centric ethnic group in the federation in lieu of having their own regional pre-state (as in pre-Pakistan creation) nationalism instead of opting for a state-based, loyal-to-the-state pan-Muslim identity.

                      However Mohajirs are 2nd class citizens in Punjabi-dominated Pakistan.

                      2. One can say that this is an unfortunate regional problem which affects many countries around the world e.g. Italy (where the north is far richer than the south and slightly racist to southerners), Egypt (same as Italy but with a racial dimension) and elsewhere.

                      From this perspective Mohajir status in Pakistan is just one part of an imperfect world that we live in, but Mohajirs are nevertheless loyal to the concept of a united Pakistan.


                      3. Or one could feel that discrimination by Punjabis is so bad that it necessitates freedom and an independent Karachi/Mohajir state.

                      It's not my decision and that is something for Mohajirs and Sindhis to decide not me.


                      4. However most Mohajirs even those who would not totally rule out possible independence (a minority from what I can gather) would ideally like Pakistan to work and be a fair place. Likewise most Pashtuns in Pakistan are pro-Pakistan, Sindhi separatism is very weak.

                      These are the realities.

                      Also terrorism has decreased greatly since the almost daily terrorist attacks a few years ago.

                      5. The Baloch are very different to Punjabis, Sindhis, Pashtuns and view themselves as superior to all including Pashtuns.

                      Even if you do not support separatism as most Pakistanis don't one should also not deify the army and give them carte blanche to carry out atrocities and war crimes in the region. Imran Khan has a sensible attitude to all this.

                      Quote:
                      ....liberate us from zalim Sindhi waderas.


                      The PPP are a very corrupt and brutal organization and so are the Waderas who control it (ironically many if not most being Baloch in origin as are the Zardaris themselves) but aside from the "zalim" waderas there are the "lovely" rangers and "wonderful" Pakistani fauj who are making your lives "pleasant".

                      The army in Pakistan is a servant of the people and not their masters, however in practice it is the other way round and Pakistanis are slaves/hostages to this brutal American-backed army. No offence.

                      Being against an army does not make you a hater of a particular country in the way hating the US army and CIA doesn't mean you hate America or Americans per se, just their army.

                      Feel free to respond to my points and point out any mistakes on my part and I would strongly advise you to ignore the various trolls on this forum including the Arab nationalists whose main concern is skin colour, race, identity, physical appearance and how to deal with their own self-hate and inferiority complex. Instead just reply to relevant on-topic Baloch related comments.
                      [MENTION=19599]younis[/MENTION] reply

                      ^^
                      You look like one of sane posters here. Yes finally army have brought peace to this land after long time, they have done something good. But peace is not enough. We want our rights back which were taken away by PPP. Since PPP, N and PTI are all establishment parties, it means who ever is ruling Islamabad fully support what is happening in Karachi.

                      Our main concern is development budget of Karachi is far below what it deserve.
                      Bengal_Tiger Reply:

                      I've heard that the MQM has basically been severely weakened in Karachi. I don't know if you have some degree of sympathy for the MQM but from what I heard they were an extremely ruthless party but then again I also heard they were pro-social development, anti-feudal and their militant nature (to put it lightly) was a result of the discrimination that Mohajirs faced and the violent nature of Pakistani politics (and no offence) and society in general.

                      What are your thoughts on this? Are the MQM much weaker now?

                      @Karachi


                      P.S. Please ignore the troll Iblis Efreetzai and his 2 other aliases "Win Butler" and "Hunter" as his sole purpose on this forum is to ruin it and to disrupt any polite or mature discussion and create flame wars. Thanks.
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                        ^^

                        I don't agree with MQM bhatta khori but they are right about zalim Sindhi PPP waderas. PPP don't develop interior sindh and neither allocate enough funds for Karachi. Most corrupt party in Pakistan is PPP and the reason is they don't have any competition what so ever. They know they will win in interior sindh and form government without Karachi people votes.

                        So what needs to be done? After next census seats in parliament needs to be adjusted, I'm sure Karachi should have almost half of Sindh seats if population estimates are right. And with it half of sindh budget should be given to Karachi. If not then we will come out and close down Karachi.

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                        • #13
                          Great Thread, didn't notice it before

                          Bengal Tiger, does Karachi remind you of Dhaka a bit? I know Dhaka is more greener, but the general look of the city?

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by younis View Post
                            ^^

                            I don't agree with MQM bhatta khori but they are right about zalim Sindhi PPP waderas. PPP don't develop interior sindh and neither allocate enough funds for Karachi. Most corrupt party in Pakistan is PPP and the reason is they don't have any competition what so ever. They know they will win in interior sindh and form government without Karachi people votes.

                            So what needs to be done? After next census seats in parliament needs to be adjusted, I'm sure Karachi should have almost half of Sindh seats if population estimates are right. And with it half of sindh budget should be given to Karachi. If not then we will come out and close down Karachi.
                            The problem with Karachi is that, everybody is playing a dirty game with the city and innocent people are getting hurt

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Shamlawar Khurasani View Post
                              Karachi is also filthiest most disgusting city with the most murders and crime. It is also the place where human trafficking is concentrated.

                              Unfortunately a lot of Pashtuns are involved in Karachi Drugs and Human trafficking, this is how a lot of Pashtuns have gotten rich here and live in their defense/Clifton mansions. Even ANP leader like Shahi syed, nobody knows how he got rich so quick, he is just of thousands of examples. Of course parties like MQM, PPP are also involved

                              Karachi needs an army of it's own, and it is not really part of Pakistan if you think about it, though in recent years things seems to have cooled down

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