Has China pressured Pakistan to working for peace in Afghanistan?

[Bengal_Tiger]

Well BT bro, one thing is for sure that the crimes of Talib mercenaries and traitors and the Pakistani establishment against our people and country are unforgivable! These *******s together are more callous and vile than any entity we know who would perpetuate such crimes against civilians in achieving their ends which sure are nothing but evil.

Whether if these countries have expressed any sympathy or issued condemnation really doesn't mean that the agree or "takes side" of Pakistan in supporting the perpetrators of these terror attacks.

One would guess that the three of them would be interested in peaceful and stable Afghanistan.

China is inexorably pivoting towards Pakistan to access the Arabian sea and importantly Central Asia and Afghanistan as a source of much needed energy and minerals for its economic growth, and as a significant market and a region of immense geo-political importance. To realize its objectives one would think it would not waste time. An unstable Afghanistan would be a hindrance to put it crudely.

It is only chimerical if Pakistan thinks it can continue to support Talibs without compromising its national security, and let alone for projects like the CPEC to take off, but to come off the IMF life-line and face India at the same time and not have to worry.

I disagree, the Afghan government and army is doing impressively well. Despite the increase in tempo of war the Talibs have made little gains other than holding and then losing some isolate "districts" only.

I think it is about time that the Ghani set the rules of the game. I read that he has said that he instead wants Talibs and their sanctuaries to be tackled by Pakistan than facilitating the talks. He should stick to this and focus on the war effort against Talibs. Every single filthy Talib should be meted out a brutal death nothing less. The Afghan government and security forces' capability only can alter Pakistan's motivation and calculation, Ghani should stick to this area.

Manana ComradePashtun wrora for your reply.

You are one of the few serious posters on this forum that talks about serious stuff and not distracted by nonsensical topics, but substantive issues, so I respect your posts.

One would guess that the three of them would be interested in peaceful and stable Afghanistan.

Well to be honest, Saudi Arabia and now in the past few years AKP Turkey have left a bitter taste in my tongue due to their support for pro-Pakistan terrorists and war criminals in Bangladesh and their ostentatious declarations of love for Pakistan.

They will always prefer Pakistan to Bangladesh, partly (especially for the Saudis) due to racial issues.

However Bangladesh is an independent state with a 0.2 million strong army and if we really wanted to (which we don't and which I am against) we could secure nukes, though it would take a few years after deciding to do so.

So for the Saudis and Turks to prefer Pakistan over Bangladesh is one thing, but for them to prefer Pakistan to war-ravage, tragedy-riven Afghanistan is another thing.

Saudi supported the Taliban and supports extremists and terrorists in many countries.

The Turkish public are fanatically pro-Pakistan and Turks are brainwashed from a young age to worship Pakistan as an "eternal friend/brother".

Have either Saudi or Turkey condemned the Kabul massacre?

To my knowledge: NO.

This is the same Turkish regime which issues foreign ministry statements if a single convicted war criminal is killed in Bangladesh as they did a few months ago.

China is inexorably pivoting towards Pakistan to access the Arabian sea and importantly Central Asia and Afghanistan as a source of much needed energy and minerals for its economic growth, and as a significant market and a region of immense geo-political importance. To realize its objectives one would think it would not waste time. An unstable Afghanistan would be a hindrance to put it crudely.

China has failed to reign in Pakistan in terms of its sponsorship of terrorism in Afghanistan as the recent Kabul massacre has shown.

In geo-strategic terms China feels its alliance with Pakistan and access to the Arabian gulf via southern Pakistan is essential.

So it will prioritize its relations with Pakistan over Afghanistan.

I disagree, the Afghan government and army is doing impressively well. Despite the increase in tempo of war the Talibs have made little gains other than holding and then losing some isolate "districts" only.

I really hope the Afghan army continues to do well and I have been following the increase in air power.

However what can the ANA (Afghan National Army for the benefit of passive silent guest readers) do against terrorist attacks and suicide attacks?

Ok, dismantle the terrorist network, arrest terrorist leaders, but that can only go so far when the ultimate source of this terrorism is protected by the Pakistani army.

The only way - I can see - to pressurize the Pakistani army is to bring pressure on it via allies.

However some of these supposed "allies" and "brother Muslim countries" are fanatically pro-Pakistan e.g. Turkey.

Leaving these "allies" and "brother Muslim" countries aside, does the Afghan government have the resources to either eradicate the Taliban threat or perhaps more realistically reduce it to a level which makes it have negligible impact on overall Afghan economic development and foreign investment?

I am no expert, but at this present juncture it doesn't look like it.

However I don't think the Taliban have the ability to ever control Afghanistan (i.e. the major cities) so the Afghan government is here to stay, however government survival is not enough as in addition to that economic growth is needed including a situation of security for the potentially $1 trillion worth of resources to be harnessed for economic growth, job creation, reducing poverty etc.

[Khostai]

There is no pressure on Porkistan what so ever, not even slightly.

[tripledouble]

I've better idea

Ship these Neanderthal Talibani & all Afghani militias to Bangaldesh since Bangla_Billi loves Afghani so much, he can keep them - then there will peace in border areas

[Bengal_Tiger]

Clash reported between Afghan and Pakistan forces along Durand Line

By KHAAMA PRESS - Mon Aug 17 2015, 4:34 pm



Afghan border forcesHeavy clashes have been reported between the Afghan and Pakistani security forces along the Durand Line earlier this afternoon.
The incident took place around 2:00 pm local time after the Pakistani security forces launched an attack on the Afghan Border Police and Afghan National Police outposts in Nari district of eastern Kunar province.
There are no reports regarding the casualties as a result of the clashes so far and the main reason that ignited clash has not been ascertained.
A local official said the Pakistani forces used heavy and lights weapons to target the Afghan security forces.

This comes as the Ministry of Foreign Affairs summoned Pakistan’s ambassador in Kabul last month to protest against border violation and cross-border shelling.

According to the Ministry of Interior, the Pakistani soldiers were trying to establish military installations inside the Afghan territory in Angor Ada area in Barmal District of Paktika province when the skirmish took place.

https://www.khaama.com/clash-reported-between-afghan-and-pakistan-forces-along-durand-line-1399

[Bengal_Tiger]

Afghanistan warns of hot pursuit inside Pakistan




Afghan CEO advisor says they know about terrorist hideouts and Afghan forces will cross Durand Line to eliminate terrorists for its ‘national security’ if Pakistan doesn’t


Afghanistan’s Chief Executive Office (CEO) has warned Pakistan that if it fails to dismantle terrorist sanctuaries, Afghanistan, with international help, will directly hit militant hideouts on the other side of the Durand Line.

In an interview, CEO Cultural Advisor Sayed Aqa Hussain Fazel Sancharaki said that the Afghan National Unity Government (NUG)’s stance was clear towards neighboring countries, especially Pakistan.

“We often told Pakistan to demonstrate sincerity in fighting against terrorism otherwise Afghan Security Forces are capable of eliminating militants’ sanctuaries inside and outside the country. Afghan security forces would go and eliminate terrorists that posed a threat to our national security,” he said, adding that Afghanistan and the international community knew about terrorist training centers and hideouts.

According to him, the Afghan government wanted Pakistan to bring the Afghan Taliban to the peace talks table and to stop supporting them in their war against Afghanistan.

Afghanistan has continually emphasised its hope for friendly relations between the two countries within the framework of national interests, but it considers the fight against terrorism a common task for all countries in the region, Sancharaki said.

After the recent bloody attacks in Kabul and insurgent activities in other provinces, relations between Afghanistan and Pakistan soured considerably, leading the NUG leaders to take a firmer stance against Pakistan, he added.

http://www.pakistantoday.com.pk/2015/08/22/uncategorized/afghanistan-warns-of-hot-pursuit-inside-pakistan/

[Bengal_Tiger]

Kabul Suicide Bombing Kills 12, Including 3 Americans

By AHMAD SHAKIB and ROD NORDLANDAUG. 22, 2015



The site of an explosion in the center of Kabul on Saturday, where 12 people were killed by a suicide car bomber.

KABUL, Afghanistan — Three foreigners working for the American-led military coalition were among 12 people killed Saturday when their vehicle was targeted by a suicide car bomber, according to Afghan and American military accounts.

The three foreign victims were Americans working for DynCorp International, a military contractor, according to a company official in Kabul, who spoke on the condition of anonymity because he was not authorized to speak to the news media.

It was believed to be the worst loss of American life in a single episode this year in Afghanistan, since American forces have mostly withdrawn, leaving less than 10,000 soldiers.

The blast took place in the center of Kabul, the latest in a series of major bombings in recent weeks, but there was no immediate word on who was responsible.

The attack came late in the afternoon when convoys often go through downtown Kabul taking foreign and Afghan workers, as well as international military personnel, to their homes or barracks. A witness at the scene, Abdul Rahman Arif, 38, his hands and clothing covered in blood from carrying victims to ambulances, said he saw at least three bodies after the blast, and four severely wounded occupants of the coalition vehicle, as well as many children wounded in a nearby playground.

A six-story office building across the street from the blast had all of its windows broken, with many inside wounded from broken glass. Personnel at the nearby Shinozada Hospital were among those wounded by glass.

Witnesses said the bomber had been in a Toyota Corolla and appeared to have targeted a sport utility vehicle full of foreigners wearing civilian clothes but heavily armed.

Col. Brian Tribus, a spokesman for the American-led military coalition here, said three civilian contractors working for the coalition were killed; one died immediately and two died later from their wounds. He did not disclose their nationalities or jobs.

A spokesman for the Ministry of Public Health, Mohammad Ismail Kawosi, said the death toll was 12 with 67 wounded. But the Kabul police chief, Abdul Rahman Rahmani, said in an interview at the scene that the casualty toll, which included women and children, was likely to rise because of all the injuries.

Around the blast site bystanders expressed anger at the Afghan government and its international coalition partners, including the United States. “This government is nothing but a total failure,” Mr. Arif said.

Many also criticized the Afghan government’s security forces for rescuing the foreign victims in the sport utility vehicle before wounded Afghans. A woman was heard screaming at a policeman, “Have you lost your pride and respect, giving priority to foreigners while Afghans are lying dead?”

Those reactions echoed expressions of anger when three major bombings took place in a 24-hour period two weeks ago in Kabul, killing scores. Many blamed the attacks on their coalition government’s internal bickering — it has yet to appoint a permanent defense minister after 11 months in office.


Among the dead were at least two women, and a child could be heard screaming, “Mommy, Daddy, help me.”

The bombing appeared to catch the Taliban by surprise, as did some of the attacks two weeks earlier, and a spokesman, Zabihullah Mujahid, denied that the insurgents had anything to do with the attack.

That may reflect confusion within the insurgents’ ranks, in the wake of a struggle over who would succeed Mullah Mouhammad Omar, the longtime Taliban leader whose death in 2013 was disclosed only in the past month. In addition, Jalaluddin Haqqani, the leader of the hard-line Haqqani Network faction of the Taliban, recently has been reported to have died last year. That group has been responsible for many of the deadliest attacks in Kabul.

Bombings in Kabul, with its heavy security, have been relatively infrequent, typically one a month of any significance, so the recent attacks are unusual. Some analysts have speculated that the insurgents are trying to prove their leadership problems have not incapacitated them.

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/08/23/world/asia/suicide-bombing-in-kabul-kills-up-to-12-and-wounds-scores.html?_r=0

*Pakistan is not interested in peace.

I think the "peace process" is over.

Afghanistan needs to speak to Turkey, Saudi Arabia and China to rein in Pakistani aggression in Afghanistan.

[Bengal_Tiger]

Afghan Woman Dons Uniform In Protest Over Pakistan

Friday, 21 August 2015 16:27

Written by Mir Abed Joenda



An Afghan woman wearing a military uniform - in support of local security forces – embarked on a sit-in protest in a Kabul park on Friday and called on the UN Security Council to take action against Pakistan for its destructive activities against Afghanistan.

Women's right activist Shukria Serat Walizada, who was wearing a military uniform, embarked on her protest in Shar-e Naw Park, in downtown Kabul, in a bid to mobilize people to support her cause.

"The recent suicide attacks in which many people lost their lives in the country are reasons for us to raise our voices and take action," said Shuria Serat Walizada.

Walizada said that she is tired of the security situation and tired of recent actions by Pakistan and she wants the UN Security Council to take action to end Pakistan's interference in Afghanistan.

"Cut ties of Afghanistan relations with Pakistan and remove ISI agents from our government are two of our demands which are very important for the security of our country," Walizad added.

Meanwhile, a number of civil society activists and Kabul provincial council members have come out in support of Walizada's action and said that such a move is significant in the country's efforts to improve morale among the troops.

"The authorities held failed talks with Pakistan which leaves the nation having to fight terrorism on its own," said Ali Yazdan Parast Kabul a provincial council member.

"Our demand from government is to get rid of the fifth columnists (opposition within the government) which is a serious threat and creates challenges for the people," said Faizullah Farahmand another civil society activist.

Protest action has increased recently amid a strong outcry in Afghanistan against Pakistan after President Ashraf Ghani and CEO Abdullah Abdullah both criticized Pakistan for backing insurgent groups and leading the war in Afghanistan.

http://www.tolonews.com/en/afghanistan/21011-afghan-woman-dons-uniform-in-protest-over-pakistan

[Bengal_Tiger]

Pakistan not to be asked to mediate in future Afghan peace talks

By KHAAMA PRESS - Mon Aug 31 2015, 8:53 pm


Pakistan mediation in Afghan peace talksAmid frustrations regarding growing insurgency activities plotted by the anti-government armed militant groups based in Pakistan, the office of the Chief Executive Officer announced Monday that Islamabad will not be asked to mediate in future Afghan peace talks.

Javid Faisal, spokesman to CEO Abdullah, told reporters in Kabul that there are no expectations in this regard from Pakistan.

“We do not have any expectations from Pakistan and therefore we will not ask them to mediate between the Afghan government and Taliban group,” Faisal said.

He also insisted that the peace talks will continue in the absence of Pakistan’s mediation if it resumed in the future.

The remarks by Faisal comes as Afghan officials were expecting to sit-in for the second round of peace talks with the Taliban group representatives in Pakistan last month.

However, the process was delayed with the sudden disclosure of the Taliban supreme leader Mullah Mohammad Omar’s death shortly before the second round of talks.
Mullah Omar’s death confirmation led to widening rift among the Taliban leadership which resulted to suspension of peace talks.
In the meantime, a series of deadly attacks rocked capital Kabul earlier this month which left scores of people dead or wounded with the Taliban group claiming responsibility for majority of the attacks.
The deadly attacks resulted into escalating tensions between Kabul and Islamabad after the Afghan officials harshly criticized Pakistan for sheltering the Afghan militants who are plotting attacks in Afghanistan besides they hold open gatherings in Pakistan.

http://www.khaama.com/pakistan-not-to-be-asked-to-mediate-in-future-afghan-peace-talks-1458

*Afghanistan is basically telling Pakistan to f*** off.

and basically "we know you are behind the Taliban and killing our people, we don't want you involved, we are going to defeat the Taliban by hook or by crook".

This is the essential core message beyond all the superfluous diluted niceties.