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    Will Balochistan be free?

    By Ahmar Mustikhan

    Wed May 27, 2015 3:17 AM










    This is a question that many inside Balochistan and outside are asking, and those asking this question are both Baloch and non-Baloch: can Balochistan be free?

    As much as the actions of the Islamic Republic of Pakistan shows, the answer is: Yes. It looks like the state of Pakistan is on its death bed or at least in a state of extreme panic when it comes to Balochistan, as if they are about to lose everything. Earlier this month, the top brass of the army at the corps commanders meeting in Rawalpindi directly pointed a finger of blame at India for terrorism in Balochistan. Just during the last two months in brutal army operations in Awaran, Mashkay, Mastung, Kalat and Panjgur more than 100 people were killed, scores abducted and dozens of homes looted and burned. Most of the deaths were custodial killings, which were shown as armed encounters. A wheel-chair bound person Hayat Bewas was dubbed as a militant commander of the Baloch Liberation Front and killed execution style before the eyes of his mother April 13 in Gebun in Kech district. On April 21, two newly wed brothers Ijaz Baloch and Aftab Baloch, sons of Fazal Baloch, and a third newlywed Shah Nawaz Baloch, son of Faiz Mohammad, were abducted from the home of a relative of Waja Akhtar Nadeem, a Baloch freedom leader. A fourth victim was Basit Baloch son of Lal Bakhsh Baloch. They were all killed execution style and their bodies bore torture marks, but Pakistani media announced the four were killed in an encounter. In yet another incident on May 18, a teenager Mairaj Baloch, a student of Grade 10 was abducted from his home and later that day his body was dumped. He was an orphan whose father Ramzan Baloch was killed by the security forces on January 24.

    The extreme atrocities being committed by Pakistan army is forcing even those who are in Islamabad camp to speak out. Last week, member of Pakistan national assembly Sardar Kamal Khan Bangulzai, who belongs to army-allied National Party, accused the security forces of conducting extrajudicial killings of his constituents in Kalat and Mastung. “From one home three brothers were abducted and within two hours their bodies were found,” Bangulzai said. “If they are killed in this manner what else can their other family members do but pick up arms against the state,” he added.

    In these actions, there is a degree of desperation that is quite visible. In Baloch tribal societies, if you kill one person from a village the entire village turns against you. In Balochistan today there is not a single small town or village that does not have its list of martyrs, which means the Baloch people are totally against the state of Pakistan, even though Pakistan has tried to promote death squads and Islamist militant outfits to counter the freedom fighters or sarmachars. The situation on the ground appears to be horrible. “There has been a regular, planned and systemic campaign against Baloch people in terms of summary executions, liquidation, persecution, sexual violence, sodomy, torture, maiming and enforced disappearances, custodial killing, displacement and kill and dump. These (actions) amount to crimes against humanity under Article 7 of the Rome Statute, which set up the International Criminal Court,” Kachkol Ali, a former fisheries minister who now lives in exile in Oslo, Norway, said in a letter to the United Nations. Ali added, “Regrettably, the state`s failure to hold even a single perpetrator of enforced disappearance to account perpetuates the culture of impunity in Pakistan.” The discovery of mass graves in Tootak, Khuzdar, with 169 bodies was an eye opener for the world, Ali wrote.

    However, to counter the movement Islamabad last month deputed its most trusted politician Senator Hasil Bizenjo to the US where he said in a newspaper interview Baloch militancy does not make any difference for the state of Pakistan. Bizenjo’s father Mir Ghous Bakhsh Bizenjo was ranked among the founders of Baloch nationalism and widely respected for his speech against accession to Pakistan and for spending years behind the bars, while his son is despised by the nationalist youths as an agent of Islamabad, keen to play second fiddle to Premier Nawaz Sharif and impressed by his riches. In an interview with Dawn newspaper, whose owners always enjoyed good ties with successive military dictators, Bizenjo said, “The militants cannot defeat the military. They can only create disturbance and instability.” The report cited Pakistan’s favorite Baloch politician as saying if a referendum were held in Balochistan today, the militants would win. “But there will be no referendum. There will be elections and they cannot win elections.” The kind of logic advanced by the senator shows why the Bizenjos who were once equal in respect to the Bugtis, Marris and Mengals are today the butt of ridicule and have zero support among the freedom loving camp. Bizenjo has also refused to take action against his party's chief financier Imam Bheel, who was declared a drug kingpin by President Obama, even after he killed a government official.

    Notwithstanding Bizenjo’s task handed to him by Islamabad, even a cursory look at Balochistan history will show a story of Pakistani deception mixed with barbarism. From the arrest and sentencing of both the first and second leaders of Baloch uprising against the state, Prince Aga Abdul Karim in 1948 and Nawab Nauroz Khan Zarakzai, in 1960s to the killing of Nawab Akbar Khan Bugti in 2006 and Mir Balach Marri in 2007 and the earlier enforced disappearance of Mir Asadullah Mengal in 1974 and killing and dumping him, to the assassination of Zamur Domki and Janaan Domki, wife and daughter of Mir Bakhtiar Domki, Pakistan state has not spared the highest among high in Balochistan. Even though not as rich, all these personalities are more or less of the same stature as the late Shaikh Zayed bin Sultan Al-Nahiyan or the late Sheikh Rashid bin Maktoum right across the Straits of Hormuz in the UAE.

    Nawab Bugti's killing on August 26, 2006 was a watershed. "If it awakened the Baloch consciousness its a small price our family had to pay," says Washane Bugti, a grand nephew of Nawab Bugti. Until the killing of Nawab Bugti, the struggle was mostly in the hands of the Baloch elites but his sacrifice for his land and people diffused the militant movement to almost all strata of Baloch political society. Since then Pakistan army, ISI and Military Intelligence has desperately tried to crush the whole political leadership which has spread far and wide, away from the traditional bastions of tribal power such as Kohlu, Dera Bugti and Wadh.

    A more resilient and battle-hardened leadership has emerged which includes educated youths who are not averse to defend their motherland with guns, rockets and missiles. This is best illustrated by the rise of gold medalist gynecologist Dr Allah Nazar, chief of the Baloch Liberation Front. According to Wahab Baloch, an aide to the late Nawab Khair Bakhsh Marri, the icon of the freedom movement had willed that he has full faith and trust in Dr Allah Nazar’s political leadership. However, given the peculiar tribal setup of Balochistan other militant organizations such as the Baloch Republican Army, United Baloch Army, Lashkar-i-Balochistan and Baloch Liberation Army are also very important, even though no tribal leader is willing to own these organizations. Leaders with a tribal background do have a big role to play, both inside and outside Balochistan. Their position and status cannot be wished away, especially at this crucial juncture when all hands are required on the deck. However, the greatest weakness among these personalities is feudal egotism and a tendency to immaturely approach the Pakistan Press, infested with ISI agents, to air their views.

    Almost all of these militant organizations have at one point or the other made mistakes and even blunders. But then even the best armies in the world do make serious blunders. However, there is a growing realization among the Baloch militant camp that the Laws of War have to be respected, despite serious provocations by Islamabad.

    On the other hand, young and energetic leaders of different Baloch political parties are demonstrating almost every month and sometimes every week in Western cities from Dusseldorf and Berlin in Germany to Barnaby in Canada. It is true there is a need for them to show greater unity and organize in four critical areas, in addition to activism. These areas include lobbying in parliaments, working with think-tanks and policy makers, outreach to civil society and human rights organizations and lastly, but most importantly, the Western media. It is naïve to think Pakistan media will ever do justice with the Balochstan issue if the past record of Pakistan media is kept in mind. Until the very final day of the 1971 war, December 16, Pakistani media was feeding the public wrong and totally erroneous information about the ground situation in Bangladesh as if the army was winning against the Bengalis. The same narrative that Baloch are Indian agents is once again being repeated.

    Of course, at least one significant state entity has to solidly and openly support the freedom movement in Balochistan. In the regional context India with BJP in power is the best bet for Balochistan. As the BJP seeks to correct the wrongs of the Nehruvian era, Balochistan was one area that suffered immensely due to the mistakes of the founding fathers of India. Many young Hindu nationalists agree the state of Pakistan in its present form will never allow peace in Kashmir, or for that matter rest of India. Indian National Security adviser Ajit Doval has very clearly said if Pakistan commits one more terror attack like what it did November 26, 2008, in Mumbai, India will separate Balochistan. Friends of Balochistan and India like Canadian intellectual of Indian descent Tarek Fatah says there is no need for India to wait for another Mumbai style attack.

    Pakistan has been playing with Baloch lives and honor for almost seventy years now since the forced accession of Balochistan at the point of gun March 27, 1948. Much blood has flowed down the Bolan River since then. As they bury their dead, the Baloch from all strata of society are teary-eyed, tired, insulted and wounded by Pakistan's daily war crimes and crimes against humanity. The anger of the masses witnessed during the burial of these martyrs shows Pakistan and its many stooges like Bizenjo or Chief Minister Abdul Malik have no role to play in Balochistan's future. Neither is the presence of Pakistan military boots on their homeland tolerable for the Baloch people nor is defeat an option for them. The Baloch youths are willing to die but not willing to surrender. This will to do or die is a harbinger that Balochistan will be free, no doubts.







    1. As an outside observer if anything it seems that the Baloch insurgency is getting weaker, not stronger.

    So I am not sure if the writer is correct.




    2. Pakistani nationalists worship their army, and either refuse to accept its crimes or when proven of its crimes say "it was necessary".



    3. Pakistani nationalists worship of their army is that they unquestioningly believe anything that these people say. The Pakistan army can never lie.

    So when the Pakistani army was losing the war in east Pakistan, till the last day they were telling Pakistanis on radio about how victorious they were.

    So on 16th December when they surrendered, Pakistanis were stunned.




    4. For a Pakistani nationalist anyone who complains of army brutality is not a fellow Pakistani, a citizen of Pakistan who must be loved and respected and his grievances looked at and tried to be resolved.


    No, he is a "traitor".

    A traitor who dares refuse to worship the Pakistani army.

    A traitor who dares try to sully the image of the glorious, always truthful, always honourable Pakistani army.

    He must be silenced, arrested, tortured and if required killed.
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    Pakistani nationalists and the "traitor" label.

    A Pakistani nationalist (also known as Pakistan-walas, army-walas, fauji-walas) will always quickly rush to label anyone who dares say anything critical about the "glorious" Pakistani army a "traitor."



    Sister of Ali Jinnah, who for disagreeing with the Pakistani generals was labelled an "Indian secret agent" i.e. RAW agent.

    Instead of this thought process

    *Civilized thought process*

    This is a fellow Pakistani, a fellow citizen of mine. They are complaining about the army. Hmmm....maybe, maybe Santa Claus is not real....and maybe the Pakistani army are not the perfect angels that I have been brainwashed and raise to believe.

    Mmm...let me hear what they have to say...


    Mmm...let's see if we can find a way to resolve the grievances of these fellow Pakistani citizens of mine.
    Instead..

    This is what will happen


    Pakistani nationalist/ Defence.pk thought process


    WHAT?! You dare question the Pakistan army. You traitor! You RAW, CIA, MOSSAD funded traitor. I will **** and then **** you and then ***** your limbs and then **** your eyes and your teeth!

    In America, many Americans love America. They love Hollywood, the constitution, Thanks giving, the world series, the NFL but they dislike their army and its atrocities.

    They consider themselves proud Americans.



    In Europe many Europeans are proud of their nation but are critical of their army.



    In Pakistan to be critical of the Pakistani army means you should be killed in the eyes of a Pakistani nationalist/ defence.pk type fanatic.

    No one can criticize the Pakistan army.

    No one, to do so he must be killed.




    Raheel Sharif (also known as Riyal Shareef after the Saudi currency) head of the Pakistani military.

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    • #3
      "Pump eight bullets into the head of these Baloch" - Pakistani TV Host


      "Racist language and bigotry against the Baloch people and Balochistan aired on live TV in Pakistan by Dr. Shahid Masood on his nightly show. He refers to the Baloch as 'genetically' RAW agents and the most corrupt people in Pakistan."

      "The language being used by Pakistan journalist Dr Shahid Masood is reminiscent of the language used by Pakistani media against Bengalis in the former East Pakistan, now Bangladesh. Pakistanis used to say Bengalis were short and that they will correct their genes and raped at least 250,000 Bengali women who gave birth to 30,000 Babies of War."

      http://mustikhan.newsvine.com/_news/...enetically-raw



      - Pakistan has not changed since 1971.

      It is still the same genocidal state with a genocidal military that some worship as a symbol of collective national strength and thus psychological feel-good pride.

      Since it is the most important symbol of Pakistani statehood and signifies strength, the army is sancrosanct and can never be questioned, blemished.

      Pakistani nationalism is not a peaceful civic nationalism where the people are supreme but one where the state i.e. the military is supreme.

      Those who are against the state, even if it is the majority of the population of Pakistan e.g. in 1971 majority Bengalis, must be crushed or killed.

      The military must not serve the people, but the people must serve the state.

      Baloch and others are following in the footsteps of Ali Jinnah's sister in being called "RAW agents".



      Fatima Jinnah called an Indian secret agent by the Pakistani military.

      The hateful, unashamedly racist and genocidal language of this "Dr" Shahid Masood should not surprise anyone who knows Pakistan well.


      In reality the state of Pakistan and its military is akin to a pagan idol which must be revered and anyone who questions it must be killed even if they be Muslim, despite all the "Muslim" rhetoric of the Pakistani military and state.



      Muslims of Balochistan suffering at the hands of the American-backed traitor Pakistan army.



      Oh Allah please help our Muslim brothers and sisters in Balochistan and stop them from being murdered by the brutal American-armed and American-backed Pakistan army.

      Ameen, thumma Ameen.
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      • #4
        Free Balochistan? Its already free. You mean separate country? Over our dead bodies every BLA member will be buried, and soon their sardars will be killed.
        Best post in PF history
        [I]
        ''Today the ideology of Pakistaniat within Pakistanis is so strong that even if world war 3 is fought within Pakistan boundries,Pakistan will survive.'' [/I]Da Bannu Mazdigar

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        • #5
          Article written by Ahmer Mustikhan, self identified as first openly Gay Baloch, and am person who even mocked Islam

          His big supporter is Bigot Tarek Fatah, who is also an Islamophobe mouthpiece of western establishments.

          Then you got Khan of Kalat, pro-israel.

          Mehran Marri leader of UBA who killed Pashtuns and is a closet homosexual.

          Then there are Republican American congressmen and senators Jewish Louie Gohmert and Dana Rohrbacher, and finally the man who drew the map of Azad Balochistan and the 'new middle east', Lt-Colonel Ralph Peters of the CIA.

          And then there's Bengal Billi, a stooge of Bengali dictator Sheikh Haseena who is mass killing her own people fighting for democracy and suppressing Islam and also a woman who turned back Rohingya refugees and called them 'mentally sick', yes these are the people rooting for the Baloch separatists, such a support team, mashallah.

          Forgot to mention RAWS Ajit Doval and GUjarat butcher Mr.Modi, these people are mashallah the saints who will end Pakistan
          "I bow to no one, except ALLAH. I dont bow to punjabay, do not bow to kabulay and afghanay, do not bow to faujay and mullay, do not bow to asfandyarwalay and petty khanays...i am traitor to all of them." - Smartay

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          • #6
            ** DISTURBING VIDEOS AND IMAGES FROM PAKISTANI-OCCUPIED BALOCHISTAN REMINISCENT OF 1971 **







            1971....this time against the Baloch!
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            • #7
              More will follow.

              RAW-NDS venture to fuel violence in Balochistan failed.

              QUETTA: Two more commanders, along with 47 militants from banned Baloch insurgent groups, laid down their arms and renounced violence on Saturday. They announced their surrender at a news conference in the presence of Balochistan Home Minister Sarfraz Bugti and PML-N’s senior leader Nawab Jangez Marri.

              Speaking to journalists, the two commanders – Madina Marri and Shikari Marri – said they were affiliated with the Baloch Liberation Army (BLA) and United Baloch Army (UBA), the two proscribed groups blamed for several deadly attacks on security forces and sensitive installations.
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              • #8
                For the benefit of readers above the troll is above on my ignore so I have no idea what he has said.


                Suffering of Muslims in occupied Balochistan



                "4 mutilated bodies of innocent #Baloch recently dumped in Panjgur"





                American-backed Pakistan army is now using fighter jets against Pakistani civilians (Baloch) in Kohaloo.



                America is arming and backing the Pakistan army who are using American fighter planes and American bombs to massacre the Baloch.

                The world is quiet.

                Allah please help our Muslim brothers and sisters in Balochistan against the American-Pakistani slaughter of Baloch, in the same way you helped the Muslims of Bangladesh to defeat the traitor Pakistan army and its American masters in 1971.

                Ameen, thumma ameen.
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                • #9
                  Life of Baloch under Pakistani occupation

                  (For Pakistan-walas, according to your Pakistan-wala ideology, these are Pakistani citizens who are being humiliated, arrested and killed i.e. Pakistanis killing other Pakistanis).





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                  • #10
                    Bengalan, as usual, is twisting some facts into a propaganda, aimed to arouse our sentiments. Yes ISI is carrying out extra judicial killings in Balochistan which has proven to be very effective in dealing with insurgency. I do not condone it but lets be straight forward about it, the ones getting killed and disappeared are always involved in Baloch separatist movement, either they are actively involved or support it. If i take arms against state , i should be expecting heavy use of violence against me and my kin......state is not merciful to rebels. Baloch insurgency is like Kashmir insurgency of India except that Pakistani soldiers are not raping the baloch women. The rest is same, tortured and mutilated bodies, mass graves. The ISI officials and their FC henchmen, how are they able to live with it.......i guess very harami and bainchod type people are recruited for torture and mutilation of Baloch separatists.

                    That being said, there is rather very mild use of violence and force by state against Balochs. Mostly intelligence agencies with the help of FC are dealing with insurgency. Which means Baloch militants are not that much of a threat, militarily.

                    Good luck to Balochs but azad Balochistan is double-edged sword for Pashtuns.....You Balochs being tribal and straight forward folk, would close the route to Gwadar port for Pashtuns (including those of Afghanistan) for very small and petty issues. Most of the Baloch areas are no-go-areas for Pashtuns while Balochs freely come to Pashtun areas....Moreover you will quarrel with us over Quetta, sibi, parts of loralai, nimroz etc , when Punjab is no longer problem for you......

                    Those Pashtun ultra-nationalist who are under the delusion that Balochs are totally o.k us.... should watch the video in which Baloch militants slap the Pashtun hard on face and shout "Tum musalman nahi ho" after Pashtun, as usual, says I am a muslim like you to them, when questioned. They are barely tolerating us because of their sardars who have Pashtun wives
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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by History of Pashtuns View Post
                      Bengalan, as usual, is twisting some facts into a propaganda, aimed to arouse our sentiments. Yes ISI is carrying out extra judicial killings in Balochistan which has proven to be very effective in dealing with insurgency. I do not condone it but lets be straight forward about it, the ones getting killed and disappeared are always involved in Baloch separatist movement, either they are actively involved or support it. If i take arms against state , i should be expecting heavy use of violence against me and my kin......state is not merciful to rebels. Baloch insurgency is like Kashmir insurgency of India except that Pakistani soldiers are not raping the baloch women. The rest is same, tortured and mutilated bodies, mass graves. The ISI officials and their FC henchmen, how are they able to live with it.......i guess very harami and bainchod type people are recruited for torture and mutilation of Baloch separatists.

                      That being said, there is rather very mild use of violence and force by state against Balochs. Mostly intelligence agencies with the help of FC are dealing with insurgency. Which means Baloch militants are not that much of a threat, militarily.

                      Good luck to Balochs but azad Balochistan is double-edged sword for Pashtuns.....You Balochs being tribal and straight forward folk, would close the route to Gwadar port for Pashtuns (including those of Afghanistan) for very small and petty issues. Most of the Baloch areas are no-go-areas for Pashtuns while Balochs freely come to Pashtun areas....Moreover you will quarrel with us over Quetta, sibi, parts of loralai, nimroz etc , when Punjab is no longer problem for you......

                      Those Pashtun ultra-nationalist who are under the delusion that Balochs are totally o.k us.... should watch the video in which Baloch militants slap the Pashtun hard on face and shout "Tum musalman nahi ho" after Pashtun, as usual, says I am a muslim like you to them, when questioned. They are barely tolerating us because of their sardars who have Pashtun wives
                      Luffy a.k.a Marwat a.k.a Samandri a.k.a Dinosaur Khan a.k.a Pakone a.k.a Michinkhel a.ka. Jodhigul etc etc

                      1. I am not twisting anything. I am presenting facts. Idiots like you, Junk khan and Mahmood al-Yemeni have constantly labelled me a propagandist when in fact I am a very truthful person e.g. say 3 million people were not killed in east Pakistan, 1971 (an exaggeration) and that most Pashtuns in Pakistan are pro-Pakistan e.g. they are Lahore Mazdigar, Shehbaz Khan types.

                      Though you may try to justify the Pakistani army's actions in Balochistan, there is severe repression in Balochistan including the murder of children.

                      There are lots of pictures about that but I won't post it now.

                      Even Pakistani liberals have expressed grave concern about the human rights situation in Balochistan idiot.

                      [IMG]Human rights violations in Balochistan have drawn concern and criticism in the international community,[1] being described by Human Rights Watch (HRW) as having reached epidemic proportions.[2] T[/IMG]




                      Luffy, your beloved Pakistan army even murdered a Pakistani female human rights activist, Sabeen Mahmood.







                      2. Nowhere did I say there were mass rapes.

                      3. I condemn any atrocities carried out by the Indian army in Kashmir.

                      I was also the same person who was arguing with you, when you were using your "Smarty" account and you were gloating over the death of a Pakistani soldier who had been killed and I basically said I never celebrate anyone's death, basically he was a human being.

                      Now after celebrating the death of Pakistani soldiers you are now trying to glorify them as fighting against "evil separatists".

                      4. Drawing attention to the human rights abuses in Balochistan is nothing to be ashamed of.

                      In fact even Pakistani politicians do it.

                      'Pakistan must stop atrocities in Balochistan'

                      Posted on: 12:20 PM IST Mar 26, 2012

                      New Delhi: Prominent Pakistani human rights activist Asma Jehangir wants Pakistan to put its act together for a time-bound mechanism to address the unrest in Balochistan while appealing for stopping "hair-raising" atrocities in the troubled province....



                      Luffy, the Pakistan army are not the masters of Pakistan, they are not gods. They are there to serve the citizens of Pakistan and their actions must be held accountable. They are an army of criminals and terrorists who have carried out genocide before.

                      Anyway Luffy, welcome to ignore idiot.
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                      • #12
                        On this thread, this is what "History of Pashtuns" a.k.a. Smarty a.k.a Marwat i.e. Luffy said about a dead Pakistani soldier.

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                        "Dhalkhor" is a racist derogatory word meaning "Lentil eater" for Indic peoples used by some Afghans and others.



                        This was my response to Luffy a.k.a. Smarty a.k.a Marwat a.k.a History of Pashtuns.


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                        His response was:

                        That is a picture of a murtid soldier, a harami who died a haram marg. Over 500 scholars issued fatwa in 2004 that funerals of paki soldiers died in FATA, were forbidden and that they shouldnt be buried in muslim graveyards.
                        If they are that human and muslim, they should resign from army instead of dying haram marg.
                        And lanat on their mothers for raising them like that.
                        1. "Murtid" (correct spelling Murtad) is Arabic for apostate i.e. some militants say that Pakistani soldiers are disbelievers and apostates who have left the fold of Islam for siding with America in fighting Muslims (Taliban).


                        2. "Harami" = a bast*rd, child of a "haram" (forbidden) act (illicit relationship).

                        3. "lanat" (curse) on their mothers.


                        Thread: http://www.pashtunforums.com/showthr...er+dead&page=4
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                          sal kunian=bengali tiger
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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by History of Pashtuns View Post
                            Bengalan, as usual, is twisting some facts into a propaganda, aimed to arouse our sentiments. Yes ISI is carrying out extra judicial killings in Balochistan which has proven to be very effective in dealing with insurgency. I do not condone it but lets be straight forward about it, the ones getting killed and disappeared are always involved in Baloch separatist movement, either they are actively involved or support it. If i take arms against state , i should be expecting heavy use of violence against me and my kin......state is not merciful to rebels. Baloch insurgency is like Kashmir insurgency of India except that Pakistani soldiers are not raping the baloch women. The rest is same, tortured and mutilated bodies, mass graves. The ISI officials and their FC henchmen, how are they able to live with it.......i guess very harami and bainchod type people are recruited for torture and mutilation of Baloch separatists.

                            That being said, there is rather very mild use of violence and force by state against Balochs. Mostly intelligence agencies with the help of FC are dealing with insurgency. Which means Baloch militants are not that much of a threat, militarily.

                            Good luck to Balochs but azad Balochistan is double-edged sword for Pashtuns.....You Balochs being tribal and straight forward folk, would close the route to Gwadar port for Pashtuns (including those of Afghanistan) for very small and petty issues. Most of the Baloch areas are no-go-areas for Pashtuns while Balochs freely come to Pashtun areas....Moreover you will quarrel with us over Quetta, sibi, parts of loralai, nimroz etc , when Punjab is no longer problem for you......

                            Those Pashtun ultra-nationalist who are under the delusion that Balochs are totally o.k us.... should watch the video in which Baloch militants slap the Pashtun hard on face and shout "Tum musalman nahi ho" after Pashtun, as usual, says I am a muslim like you to them, when questioned. They are barely tolerating us because of their sardars who have Pashtun wives
                            You don't condone, it really? These people are killing the same people you said don't pose a threat to them millitairly so why is the ISI continuing it? The fact is that they are trying to impose fear and power in Balochistan so the people don't rise up again, just like they did in Waziristan. Also, if an Azad-Balochistan happens the northern Pashtun areas will most likely seclude into their own province and the balochi areas as their own country, so what makes you think Gwadar will be an option for Pashtuns.
                            "Revenge is a dish best served cold".

                            -Old Pashtun proverb




                            "My Pashtun Pride i will not hide!"

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                            • #15
                              Bengali-rat, if i am on your ignore list then why you have bothered to do such a deep digging of my previous accounts and posts....it must have wasted lot of your cheap time, you are a clown.

                              On topic, good luck to Balochs in their failing struggle.......Each of their Sardar , sitting in west, is leading his own militant faction and they dont agree with each other. Their Sardars , enjoying life in west, are taking money from India and some other countries while their tribesmen are giving "lazy" resistance to security forces, most of the time taking nap in mountains. The serious ones, are getting screwed and they are the educated ones from lower middle class Baloch families, their resistance is through pen not gun........they are the ones getting screwed @Kushan Prince and they are the ones who can became a great danger, thats why their extrajudicial killing.

                              Interests of Pashtuns and Baloch rebels do not align. We support CPEC, they oppose it.
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