Imran Khan fanboys violate sanctity of Hajj

[Bengal_Tiger]

As this is a very important issue I will explain systematically for all Muslim and non-Muslim readers including the vast majority of passive(+1,000 silent readers of this forum).

Who is Imran Khan?

An ex-cricketer who led Pakistan to winning the cricket world cup. He is from an elite Pakistani family from Lahore (capital of the biggest province, Punjab). He has started a political party called the PTI.



Imran Khan.



What is the PTI?

The PTI stands for Pakistan Tehreek i Insaf, Pakistan movement for justice and calls for a better, fairer and more well-governed Pakistan.

What is Hajj and some of its rules.

Hajj is one of the pillars of Islam and must be completed by every Muslim before they die unless they are unable to (sick, lack of money, other problems).

It is the pilgrimage to Mecca during specific days of the Islamic calendar (a lunar one).

A Hajji (pilgrim) must be in a state of "Ihram", which includes wearing two white garments and refraining from offending his fellow Muslim brothers and sisters and remembering and worshipping Allah as much as possible.


What is the problem with political banners?

Political banners could offend other Muslims or create an unpleasant environment or tension. If everybody copied what Imran Khan's party have done then Hajj would be ruined.

Example: Iranians carry pro-Assad banners, Sunni Arabs carry anti-Assad banners.

Turkish political parties carry their own banners creating hostility between Turks e.g. AKP v MHP or AKP v CHP.

Pakistani political parties carry their own banners including PPP, PML-N, PML-Q, JUI-F, MQM, ANP etc.

If each Pakistani political party copied Imran Khan's followers then the sanctity of Hajj would be ruined.

Imran Khan must condemn this. If somehow other Muslim groups copied this then in Islam it is said that when someone starts something good then when anyone benefits from him or copies him he will get the reward for this e.g. if I taught someone how to read the Quran then everytime he reads Quran I will get reward for this. Also if someone starts or an evil they will get the punishment for all those who follow him.

So if everyone copies the Pakistani military backed PTI, then the sin may fall on those in the PTI (or Pakistan military) that were responsible for starting.

With fairness to Imran Khan, I have not read of him endorsing this or these pictures being shown on the official PTI facebook page. However he and his party must make it clear that it is not acceptable.



Imran Khan followers from last year carrying their party political banners around the holy sites of the Hejaz in Arabia. The same has been repeated this year.

[jankhan]

IK party members and workers are too immature. They don't know how to do politics, how to do Hajj. They don't know the spirit of Hajj.
They are too aggressive. They want a short cut, The want to have total power just in one day, they want to put Imran khan on prime minister chair directly. The reason behind all these motives is that Tehreek e insaf is being run by some hidden hands and minds. These hidden hands tell the members and workers that you will be successful when you do a dharna, you will bring down the govt and the umpire will raise the finger etc etc.... I was also with IK before, but not now and never will be. Because he has so many contradiction in his statements, he has become like a remote control device, he has become like qadri the most untrusted man in Pakistan.

[Bengal_Tiger]

MQM followers, the MQM is a Pakistani political party mainly based in Karachi.

In addition to the MQM, there is the:

- PML-N (ruling party)
- PPP (former ruling party)
- ANP (Pashtun nationalists)
- JUI-F
- Jamaat e "Islami" (Saudi-backed but pro-"Muslim" Brotherhood party. Terrorist organization responsible for war crimes in 1971.).

and many others, if each of these parties sent their followers with party political banners and slogans to Hajj, then Hajj would be ruined.

[jankhan]

MQM followers, the MQM is a Pakistani political party mainly based in Karachi.

In addition to the MQM, there is the:

- PML-N (ruling party)
- PPP (former ruling party)
- ANP (Pashtun nationalists)
- JUI-F
- Jamaat e "Islami" (Saudi-backed but pro-"Muslim" Brotherhood party. Terrorist organization responsible for war crimes in 1971.).

and many others, if each of these parties sent their followers with party political banners and slogans to Hajj, then Hajj would be ruined.

Sorry bengal tiger but your propaganda has no feet. the photo you have shown about MQM is not of some Hajj event. It is but Hazarewal jalsa. click on the photo and it will take you to the main MQM Website.

[Bengal_Tiger]

Sorry bengal tiger but your propaganda has no feet. the photo you have shown about MQM is not of some Hajj event. It is but Hazarewal jalsa. click on the photo and it will take you to the main MQM Website.

1. I have placed you on ignore due to your persistent personal attacks on me but read your message this time as you quoted me and it is a very important topic. Note I never quote you or seek to interact with you. However I will refute your false allegations against me.

2. Please do not quote me or talk about me.

3. I have never said the MQM picture above was from Hajj but it was MQM followers. In fact I said "if" the MQM and other parties did what Imran Khan's followers have done it would ruin Hajj. Implicit in the word "if" is the premise that they have not in fact done so, but "if" they were to a certain outcome might transpire.

You have twisted me posting a simple image of a Pakistani political party to trying to claim that I have said that they are doing it in Hajj.

Anyway as usual you engage in personal insults and attacks against other forum members rather than talking about the actual topic.

You are on ignore, so please refrain from quoting me or your usual personal attacks against me.

BYE.

[asad71]

IK and TUQ, this is not at all acceptable. Hajj is no time/occasion for politics.

[Da Bannu Mazdigar]

Imran khan is not only the leader of Pakistan but infact the leader of the ummah.

Change should not be limited to only Pakistan but throughout the world

[jankhan]

buahahahaha....

[Bengal_Tiger]

IK and TUQ, this is not at all acceptable. Hajj is no time/occasion for politics.

If everybody brought politics to Hajj, it would be a catastrophe.

Imagine, Sisi supporters and Morsi supporters from Egypt holding opposing slogans and banners. Pro-Erdogan and anti-Erdogan Turks.

The PTI do come across as rash and immature at times.

[DSM0305]

I don't care what people do in politics and I couldn't care less who sits on Pakistani throne, but one thing is for sure; bringing politics into hajj is unacceptable.

I was supporting PTI, but this is way out of line. When people start bringing politics into hajj, then it is as unIslamic as it can be. This isn't just not Islamic, but a direct disrespect to the religion and all Muslims around the world.

[Bengal_Tiger]

I don't care what people do in politics and I couldn't care less who sits on Pakistani throne, but one thing is for sure; bringing politics into hajj is unacceptable.

I was supporting PTI, but this is way out of line. When people start bringing politics into hajj, then it is as unIslamic as it can be. This isn't just not Islamic, but a direct disrespect to the religion and all Muslims around the world.

Totally right.

Imagine Afghans started to copy the PTI next year and we saw a pro-Ghani and pro-A. Abdullah slogans and banners.




Or Bangladeshis did this and had pro-Hasina and pro-Khaleda banners. Hajj would become a political circus.

Politics, excessive nationalism, sectarianism and other things should all be kept out of Hajj, it is a holy ritual. Every Muslim state that exists now is only a few decades old with a few exceptions e.g. Afghanistan (200+ years old plus) and are far more recent than the Hajj.

I hope Imran Khan issues an apology to everyone over this. Most Pakistanis themselves are totally against this behaviour and the politicization of this holy act of worship, Hajj.

[Da Bannu Mazdigar]

I don't care what people do in politics and I couldn't care less who sits on Pakistani throne, but one thing is for sure; bringing politics into hajj is unacceptable.

I was supporting PTI, but this is way out of line. When people start bringing politics into hajj, then it is as unIslamic as it can be. This isn't just not Islamic, but a direct disrespect to the religion and all Muslims around the world.

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Kindly prove it under Islamic source's as it is against Islam by bringing PTI flag into Arafat?

NOTE:PTI is a party that will end the kingdom system imposed by a Prime minister elected through extensive rigging and imposing personality politics over the poor illiterate people.

PTI is the part that will impose Govt system similar to that in madinah as Sir Imran khan has said last week.

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Further more,I can show you pics from the recent Hajj of an Afghan guy with Afghanistan flag in hajj,Also of an indian muslim.

[jankhan]

The white clothing in Hajj is put on, it is a sign of equality, that all people are equal. Nationalities, color, language, grouping is ignored. The only purpose of Hajj is to have contact with Allah and to get his Reza.
That guy had all the time Imran khan and his slogans in his mind while he was performing Hajj.

[Bengal_Tiger]

I used to have some respect for Imran Khan, as I thought he was a sincere person who could remove the stranglehold the Pakistan army has on Pakistani politics (and thus its negative policies in Bangladesh and Afghanistan e.g. supporting the Jamaat e "Islami" and Taliban in these countries respectively), but I am shocked how ignorant he is in terms of religion.

Picture

When you pray (salah/namaz) your right hand is supposed to be on your left hand but Imran Khan has them in completely the wrong place with his hand placed halfway up to his elbow, this an astonishing act of ignorance in what is the most important and fundamental act of worship in a Muslim's daily life:




Link: https://www.facebook.com/PTIOfficial...type=3&theater

Also his jahiliya and that of his followers is ruining Hajj.

Look at this video (ironically the Saudis there are chanting for the removal of an important Saudi asset, Nawaz Sharif):

Go Nawaz Go in Arafat - YouTube


In the following video, in the first few seconds the Imran Khan follower starts by chanting "Tehreek Insaaf" (Justice movement i.e. Imran Khan's party) in a loud manner and then later "GO NAWAZ GO". What does this have to do with Hajj?

Watch Go Nawaz Go Chants on during Hajj Arafat - YouTube

Hajj is about performing an important pillar of Islam, remembering Allah and trying to become a better person. It is not about Pakistani party politics.

Imran Khan has still not publically condemned this behaviour.

[Bengal_Tiger]

PTI MPA plans sit-in against CM till his ouster

By Bureau Report



MPA Javed Naseem addresses a press conference at a park outside Peshawar Press Club on Saturday. — White Star


PESHAWAR: Javed Naseem, an MPA of the ruling Pakistan Tehreek-i-Insaf, has said that he will start a sit-in protest against Khyber Pakhtunkhwa Chief Minister Pervez Khattak from October 15 which will continue till his removal.

Mr Naseem, who was elected from PK-3 Peshawar, staged a protest demonstration near the press club here on Saturday and said that his proposed sit-in would continue till the ouster of the present chief minister, who, he alleged, was involved in nepotism, corruption and violation of merit.

The lawmaker also accused Mr Khattak of non-allocation of development funds to his constituency. On this occasion, the protesters led by Mr Naseem also raised ‘go Khattak go’ slogans.

He said that the provincial government was violating merit, but gave “all OK” report to party chairman Imran Khan. Mr Naseem claimed that he would be accompanied by other provincial ministers and MPAs during his sit-in wherein people would be informed about the wrongdoings of a ‘group of five’ people in the Khyber Pakhtunkhwa government.

Javed Naseem says he will expose the ‘group of five’ in KP government
He said that corruption was at peak under Mr Khattak, adding that provincial police officer Nasir Khan Durrani would be responsible for any mishap with him. He said that he had already lodged a report with the police in this connection. He said that certain elements with vested interests were at the helm of affairs and they had been creating hurdles in the way of ideologically elected representatives of the party.

He said that the real workers were being stopped from meeting the party chairman. He said that PTI didn’t take votes only in Nowshera, Swabi and Dir, but also in other districts of the province. However, the development funds are being spent in some specific districts. He said that there were five MNAs from the same family elected on the PTI’s tickets and sought its justification.

Mr Naseem said that the people shouldn’t cast votes in favour of poor candidates in future because they faced humiliation in assemblies. The PTI-led government, he said, had failed to deliver on its promises as the old ‘thana and patwar culture’ still existed and there was no change. He predicted that new chief minister would be from Peshawar district.

Mr Naseem said that he was the true follower of Imran Khan and would continue to work for implementation of the party manifesto. He said that residents of his constituency were not getting clean drinking water.

PTI SERVES NOTICE ON THE MPA: Without wasting time Khyber Pakhtunkhwa PTI president Azam Swati served a show cause notice on MPA Naseem, asking him to explain within seven days why he violated the party discipline by criticising the party leaders. A statement issued by the party’s media cell quoted Mr Swati as telling the MPA that he should have conveyed his reservations to the party’s chairman, Imran Khan, instead of media.

It said that Mr Naseem had levelled baseless allegations against senior party leaders and he would face action if he did not give satisfactory explanation. It added that the MPA should have met Imran Khan who was accessible to all.

Mr Swati also said that the timing of Mr Naseem’s statement was not appropriate because the party’s central and provincial leadership was engaged in sit-in in Islamabad against rigging in May 2013 election.

Published in Dawn, October 5th, 2014

http://www.dawn.com/news/1136371

*Summary: A politician from Imran Khan's party is now saying he will sit outside until the chief minister of Khyber Pakhtunkhwa (province run by Khan's party) resigns as he is allegedly corrupt.

In other words this PTI politician is doing to the PTI what the PTI were themselves doing to Pakistani prime minister, Nawaz Sharif, in Islamabad.

NAYA PAKISTAN = If you want something sit outside until the official resigns.


(Most likely he will be removed by the local police on the orders of the PTI, whilst the PTI sit in in Islamabad is left alone by the police there)