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    China: 'Pakistan is our Israel'
    The world's most populous country is showing more international assertiveness, which bothers the US.

    Thalif Deen Last Modified: 28 Oct 2010 14:56 GMT


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    China's foreign relations are increasingly influenced by state run energy companies, study says [GALLO/GETTY] When a US delegate once confronted a Chinese diplomat about Beijing's uncompromising support for Pakistan, the Chinese reportedly responded with a heavily-loaded sarcastic remark: "Pakistan is our Israel".
    But judging by China's unrelenting support for some of its allies, including North Korea, Burma, Zimbabwe and Sudan, its protective arm around these countries is no different from the US and Western political embrace of Israel - right or wrong.
    While China is battling the West over exchange rates, import tariffs and its territorial claims in the South China Sea, Beijing is also lobbying furiously to stall a Western- inspired proposal for a Commission of Inquiry on possible war crimes by the military junta in Burma (Myanmar).
    "Such a commission should not be seen as a way to punish the government, but to prevent impunity and help prevent further abuse," says the UN Special Rapporteur on Myanmar, Tomas Ojea Quintana.
    But China, which in January 2007 exercised its veto, along with Russia, to prevent Security Council sanctions against Burma, has not shown any willingness to back the proposal - even for a watered-down commission.
    "Clearly," says one Asian diplomat, "China is trying to reassert its political clout at the United Nations as a counterweight to its defensive stand on currency and trade issues."
    The New York Times newspaper said on Tuesday that the US administration is facing a "confrontational relationship" with an assertive China and is trying to respond to "a surge of Chinese triumphalism" by strengthening Washington's relationship with Japan and South Korea.
    US President Barack Obama is planning to visit four Asian countries next month - Japan, Indonesia, India and South Korea - while bypassing China.
    Meanwhile, UN Secretary-General Ban Ki-moon, who needs China's support in the Security Council if he decides to run for a second term next year, is currently on his fourth trip to China, having visited the country in May and July 2008, and in July 2009.
    In recent months, China has prevented a Security Council resolution against North Korea over the sinking of a South Korean ship and also tried to suppress a UN report alleging the use of Chinese-made bullets in attacks on UN peacekeepers in Darfur, Sudan.
    "China sees value in promoting its image as the Security Council member defending the rights of the developing world, and China sees value in relying on the UN to counter US power," said Linda Jakobson, director of the programme on China and Global Security at the Stockholm International Peace Research Institute (SIPRI).
    Jakobson, an in-house China expert at SIPRI, points out that Beijing also sees value in participating in UN peacekeeping operations "both because this enhances the image of China as a responsible power but also because it gives Chinese military experience".
    Still, China relented to US and Western pressure in supporting four Security Council resolutions imposing sanctions against Iran, one of Beijing's staunchest political, economic and military allies.
    The fourth round of sanctions, all of them aimed primarily at Iran's nuclear programme, was imposed in June this year.
    Justifying his country's support for the resolution, Chinese Ambassador Li Baodong was quoted as saying that Beijing wanted to make sure that sanctions would not affect the Iranian people or its normal overseas trade.
    Jakobson said that China agreed to these sanctions after much deliberation and on the condition that the energy sector was excluded.
    "This can be seen as a compromise solution on China's part," she said. "The exclusion of the energy sector was crucial."
    Jakobson also pointed out that China wants to protect the massive investments by Chinese energy companies already in Iran or under negotiation with Tehran, and China wants to ensure that its long-term strategic plans for energy security are not threatened.
    In a detailed policy paper released last month, and titled "New Foreign Policy Actors in China", SIPRI said the increasing sway of large state-owned energy companies have an increasing influence on foreign policy deliberations in China.
    Jakobson, who co-authored the report with Dean Knox, said this is one example of that sway though it is noteworthy that there are other foreign policy actors who presumably were not inclined to advocate China's support of the resolution.
    On the other hand, she said, there were presumably actors who advocated China's support for the resolution because China supports non-proliferation and does not want to see Iran go nuclear.
    "If China had not supported the resolution, it would reflect badly on China's image and undermine its efforts to portray itself as a responsible global power," Jakobson said.
    She said China attaches great importance to the United Nations and would like to see the role of the UN strengthened - though Beijing is wary of many proposals that want to expand Security Council membership and/or give power to members other than the present five permanent members, the United States, Britain, France, Russia and China.
    The SIPRI report argues that actors outside the traditional power structure are increasingly shaping China's foreign policy.
    Influential new actors on the margins include Chinese state- owned enterprises, especially energy companies, which, due to their widespread international outreach, affect China's bilateral relationships and diplomacy at large.
    The others include local governments, especially in border and coastal provinces, which seek more lucrative trade and foreign investment opportunities.
    At the same time, there is growing importance of researchers, who serve as advisors to officials and media, and netizens, who constitute a new pressure group that China's leaders at times feel compelled to take into account, not least during international crises.
    The findings also point to a fracturing of authority in foreign policy formulation.
    Diversification outside China's official decision making apparatus - along with changes within it - means that foreigners can no longer expect to only deal with one government agency or Party organ but must take into account multiple actors that have both a stake and say in the decision-making processes.
    A version of this article first appeared on the Inter Press Service News Agency.

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  • #2
    LMAO .. The irony !!
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    • #3
      DA BUSSU Landay UBa Boyal ham KAMAL khbara da

      din lala mannnnnna
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      • #4
        The Israel-Pakistan comparison was first made by General Zia-ul-Haq, the patron saint of the modern Salafi terrorists.

        They're both ideological states that use criminal means to pursue their agenda. This is something that even the average Pashtun understands.

        YouTube - There is no difference between Israel and Pakistan

        I wouldn't go too far with the comparison though. There's a limit. Lemme explain. Israel is the Asian Nazi Germany and Pakistan is the Asian Yugoslavia. The resemblance is uncanny.

        China, like its buddy across the Pacific, has a history of supporting dubious governments. For now, it needs someone to keep a check on India. It's interesting to note that China is making a few bases of its own in the Persian Gulf, starting with Gwadar.
        "If a nation expects to be ignorant and free, in a state of civilization, it expects what never was and never will be".

        "Knowledge will forever govern ignorance; and a people who mean to be their own governors must arm themselves with the power which knowledge gives".

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        • #5
          Aseer Jaan,

          That friendship is viewed very positively in public and state circles. China is said to be Pakistan's "all-weather" friend. It makes you wonder what the weather there was like in the summer of 1999 after Musharraf was dispatched to Beijing by Nawaz Sharif to get some Chinese diplomatic and military support after Kargil had failed and BJP-led India's retaliation was imminent. The Chinese sent back the defeated general empty-handed.

          Another important factor most Pakistanis are ignorant of is the balance of trade between the two states which is overwhelmingly in Beijing's favor. Chinese goods have crushed the local manufacturers here. We have expensive electricity and there's hardly enough of it to keep the factories operational for 10 hours a day. The Chinese have subsidized or free electricity so their cost of production is next to nothing.

          Traditionally, China is supposed to be Pakistan's boogieman visavis India (Sino-India war 1962). But with the USA (China's largest trade partner) investing so heavily in India (nuclear deal, multinationals, Obama's current visit), would Beijing risk it all by favoring Pakistan in the case of an armed conflict? I seriously doubt it.

          China and Pakistan both need each other right now for different reasons. But neither will stick out its neck for the other. The reason for that is that both China and Pakistan are ideological states and their ideologies are the perfect counters of one another.

          China wants: access to the Persian Gulf via Gilgit-Baltistan and Gwadar and a counter against India.

          Pakistan wants: a big brother, a partner that sells guns without asking how many children it will kill with them, a country with technical know-how, less dependency on the US, an investor

          It's a typical strong-weak relationship.
          "If a nation expects to be ignorant and free, in a state of civilization, it expects what never was and never will be".

          "Knowledge will forever govern ignorance; and a people who mean to be their own governors must arm themselves with the power which knowledge gives".

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          • #6
            Chinese are cool..reminds me of the time I was riding the bus in San fran and caught this. Just goes to show you never mess with the Chinese. Especially jackie chans sis. LOL.



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            • #7
              People used to admire US as well, its ingenuity and democracy and when they became the sole super power, people changed. China will be far more than the US and you won't even be able to criticize them.
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              • #8
                BLS'a,
                Can you please elaborate on your stance. You claimed "China will be far more than the US", In what sense? Are you trying to compare the USA to China? Are you aware of the ground realities in China?
                Even Adobe Photoshop can't change me.

                A line[Durrand line] of hatred that raised a wall between the two brothers -Hamid Karzai

                For generations, the Hindus of India prayed for deliverance from "the venom of the cobra, the teeth of the tiger and the vengeance of the Afghan."


                The men of Kábul and Khilj also went home; and whenever they were questioned about the Musulmáns of the Kohistán (the mountains), and how matters stood there, they said, "Don't call it Kohistán, but Afghánistán; for there is nothing there but Afgháns and disturbances." Thus it is clear that for this reason the people of the country call their home in their own language Afghánistán, and themselves Afgháns. The people of India call them Patán; but the reason for this is not known. But it occurs to me, that when, under the rule of Muhammadan sovereigns, Musulmáns first came to the city of Patná, and dwelt there, the people of India (for that reason) called them Patáns—but God knows!

                -Ferishta, 1560–1620

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                • #9
                  Pakistan Seeks Alliance with China as the U.S. Gets Tough


                  Abbas, a former Pakistan government adviser, says Beijing's interests in the region are now expanding at a rapid clip - "the Chinese ambassador in Islamabad is a very active person," he notes. China has enlisted Pakistani cooperation in quashing potential Muslim insurgencies in its far-western province of Xinjiang, bordering Pakistan and Afghanistan. Apart from its nuclear-energy investments, China is also constructing dams, building infrastructure and exploring for precious metals. It has also developed the strategic deep-water port at Gwadar on the Arabian Sea in Pakistani Baluchistan - although hopes to have that serve as a primary conduit to Central Asian trade have been clouded by the security situation, which has seen Gwadar possibly eclipsed in that role by an Indian-backed port in Iran. "China is a neighbor and a friend," Qureshi told TIME. "China has the technology today and China has the money to invest."

                  The Pakistanis don't seem to mind that many of these projects have been carried out with the use of Chinese labor and, in some cases, with little direct benefit to the local economy. Unlike the U.S., says Abbas, China is viewed positively by much of the Pakistani public, whose voluble media tends to blame the country's travails on American, Israeli or Indian meddling. While Pakistanis are often quick to side with the cause of Muslim separatists around the world - whether in nearby Kashmir or Chechnya or Palestine - little attention is paid to the plight of Muslim Uighurs in neighboring Xinjiang. "You will not find any discussion about this in the Pakistani discourse," says Abbas. (Comment on this story.)

                  Yet, says C. Christine Fair, an expert on South Asian political and military affairs at Georgetown University, much of the apparent strength of Sino-Pakistani ties is illusory. "China does what is in its strategic interests and uses Pakistan no more and no less than [other big donors] Saudi Arabia and the U.S.," she says. There's little effort from Beijing to help boost Pakistan's flagging civilian government or stabilize the country's democracy. According to Fair, Beijing's support of Islamabad is meant, in part, to tie up China's longer-term regional rival, India. "What China really wants is to encourage security competition to basically counter India's rise," she says.

                  Pakistan is, nonetheless, a useful chess piece for China as it steadily makes inroads into South and Central Asia - from laying pipelines through a host of former Soviet republics to tapping Afghanistan's sprawling copper fields. Qureshi welcomes expanded Chinese engagement: "They have an interest in a stable and peaceful [region], and why not? We want them to play a role."

                  Souce:Pakistan Seeks Alliance with China as the U.S. Gets Tough - Yahoo! News
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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Admin Khan View Post
                    BLS'a,
                    Can you please elaborate on your stance. You claimed "China will be far more than the US", In what sense? Are you trying to compare the USA to China? Are you aware of the ground realities in China?
                    Far more I mean they will be harsher in their stands and probably would have been more belligerent in their endeavours if it suited them. I don't think there will ever be a super power or power with that type of full spectrum dominance. US is one of those one time powers.
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                    • #11
                      I didn't say they will remove them from power.
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