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    The surprise in this week's reports that Russia is planning to help Nato in Afghanistan by training Afghan helicopter pilots is that people are surprised. Memories are short, it seems, for the shift in Moscow's line came as early as July last year during Barack Obama's first summit in the Kremlin.
    Designed to press the "reset" button after east-west tempers flared over the war in Georgia, the meeting ended with several agreements, the most dramatic of which was Russia's nod for the US to send military supplies across Russian territory to its forces in Afghanistan. Dmitry Medvedev and Vladimir Putin wanted to give Obama a reward for taking a calmer view of Russia than George Bush, in particular for accepting Georgia's share of blame in the South Ossetian crisis and for cancelling the most provocative aspects of Bush's missile defence scheme which Moscow viewed as a threat.
    The transit deal did not mean that Russia was about to join the fight against the Taliban by sending its own forces into battle, and the new agreement will not change that. Officials insist that no Russian troops will enter Afghanistan and the pilot training will take place outside the country. The Afghan air force already uses some Russian aircraft and if new Russian helicopters appear in Afghanistan, they will be with Afghans at the controls.
    Russia's post-Soviet leaders have long seen eye-to-eye with the west on Afghanistan. Indeed, they were firmly against the Taliban earlier than the west. They consider the Taliban and al-Qaida greater regional and global threats than Iran. The Shia Islamists of Qom and Tehran have never attempted to destabilise central Asia, Chechnya or Russia's other Muslim-majority republics, unlike the Sunni fundamentalists who trained in Afghanistan. As president in 2001, Putin was one of the first world leaders to condemn the 9/11 attacks and support the US war for regime change in Kabul and Kandahar.
    Where there are differences between the Kremlin and the west on Afghanistan, they concern the future. While an increasing number of western analysts argue that the US should prepare to talk to the Taliban, this is not a view shared by Moscow or the dictatorships of central Asia. They believe any deal would amount to appeasement. They would far prefer to keep Hamid Karzai in power in Kabul along with the Uzbek and Tajik warlords who support him than see any coalition with the Taliban, let alone a complete Taliban takeover.
    By contrast, just at this moment along comes Mikhail Gorbachev with a warning to Obama that victory in Afghanistan is impossible and he should withdraw. The former Soviet president has long been isolated from the new Kremlin rulers. Whether it is on economic and social justice, the role of international banks, the need for environmental restraint or the value of democracy, Gorbachev is closer to enlightened western thinking than he is to the new class running his country.
    Though he has no power, his views deserve to be heeded, and especially on Afghanistan. Like Obama, he inherited a war of choice that his predecessors had rushed into without sufficient thought or planning. Negotiations will not be easy, he reminded Obama, and in the late 1980s they were undermined by the US and Pakistan who claimed they wanted a neutral and democratic Afghanistan even as they were training militants – "The same ones who today are terrorising Afghanistan and more and more of Pakistan," as Gorbachev put it.
    In many ways, Gorbachev had it easier than Obama does. Key members of the Soviet high command had became disillusioned with the Afghan intervention by 1985 when Gorbachev first signalled he intended to withdraw. Though the remaining hawks persuaded the Soviet leader to let them have a surge of intensified military activity in 1986 (but no extra troops), they soon saw it was not going to make a strategic difference. The war could not be won by force and the Kremlin changed its goal from keeping Afghanistan "friendly" to merely "neutral".
    Today's war is at roughly the point where Gorbachev was in late 1985 – except that the generals in the field are united in still hoping for military victory. Obama's top commander, David Petraeus, has not given up on his surge, and if he decides to overrule his top brass the US president is in a harder political position than Gorbachev was in the Soviet Union's undemocratic system. The international context is also worse, given that Pakistan and Iran take opposite sides today.
    As for the "new" Russia's position on Afghanistan, the irony is that Moscow is less willing to see a US withdrawal than Obama appears to be. Medvedev and Putin will not send their own troops, but they firmly want the Americans to stay.


    Russia's Afghan agenda | Jonathan Steele | Comment is free | The Guardian
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    A line[Durrand line] of hatred that raised a wall between the two brothers -Hamid Karzai

    For generations, the Hindus of India prayed for deliverance from "the venom of the cobra, the teeth of the tiger and the vengeance of the Afghan."


    The men of Kábul and Khilj also went home; and whenever they were questioned about the Musulmáns of the Kohistán (the mountains), and how matters stood there, they said, "Don't call it Kohistán, but Afghánistán; for there is nothing there but Afgháns and disturbances." Thus it is clear that for this reason the people of the country call their home in their own language Afghánistán, and themselves Afgháns. The people of India call them Patán; but the reason for this is not known. But it occurs to me, that when, under the rule of Muhammadan sovereigns, Musulmáns first came to the city of Patná, and dwelt there, the people of India (for that reason) called them Patáns—but God knows!

    -Ferishta, 1560–1620

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    Yeh yeh yeh.

    That's the standard party line.

    But things are often much more muddy and complicated in reality.

    For example, there is evidence that FSB members met with - presumably to coordinate with or else train - several well known figures, such as Juma Namagani and others.

    No one should trust what the RF leaders say in public. They always have been 50 times more skilled in how to deceive than even the most tricky of american leaders.

    There is much more to this story.

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    • #3
      Great comment.
      Yeah, for sure the RF officials have been GLOATING all this time, tickled to see that the US could succeed no better than they in subduing all Afghan resistance efforts to their overbearing presences.

      So they are fawning as they agree to help out Obama with big grins. While keeping their fingers crossed behind their backs the whole time !

      I assume it's the foreign currency income they have their eyes on in this deal.

      Yes, that's why I questioned this article, which states simply what the forces that be want the public to believe.

      Russians have for centuries been incredibly sensitive to whatever lurks on their borders, especially the southern one. They went crazy at the idea of the proposed US missile shields in Poland and Central Europe. They always get very upset at any American move near what they regard as THEIR turf. This includes Central Asia.

      So they have a plan about how to extract maximize benefit from the stupid and naive Americans. All the while feathering their own nests... time will tell precisely what their strategic goals are in agreeing to any cooperation here.

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      • #4
        Russia would want to keep all out particularly Islamo-fascists, Wahabis, and other extremist groups and back groups e.g. Northern Alliance that it perceives friendly to it. Primarily, Russian interests conflict with the interests of Pashtuns.

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        • #5
          I think secularists and nationalists are a bit worried that their master, America is loosing and now the Russians are jumping in.

          Don't worry. You lot wont loose your jobs. No matter which invader enters Afghanistan, they will always employ traitors and sell outs. THere will be plenty of jobs for secular nationalists.

          But by the looks of it, all invaders are going to fail with the help of allah insha allah.

          So yeh, not so good news after all.
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          • #6
            Yes...

            Tora mana, tomorrow you may be not sitting so well. What if power goes eventually to the hands of Mullah Omar or someone similar?

            These people wouldn't have an iota of patience for those who first cheer for Russia, now for America. You were one of those, weren't you, who thought Russia was INVITED IN - and that the US belongs subduing unruly tribesmen who don't like being under an American heel any better than hugged by the Russian bear ?

            So start planning for a different future. I'm sure there are opportunities in South America to open businesses. I hear masons are very strong in those countries...you may feel at home!

            Nazia, I don't think Moscow is thinking to curry favor. At the least sinister, people who have been out of jobs - speaking of which - are probably desperate to find employment somewhere in a defense-related industry.

            In short, it will take off SOME of the pressure at home by malcontents who even regret the fall of the Soviet empire. At the least, who have no income.
            It'll give the restless ex-military officers/truck drivers, etc. something to do with their time...

            It won't make any appreciable difference in the course of the war.

            The cooperation is for show to the West, and for greenbacks, I assume.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by Catya Sher View Post
              Yes...

              Tora mana, tomorrow you may be not sitting so well. What if power goes eventually to the hands of Mullah Omar or someone similar?
              Impossible. Your pan-Islamist utopia aside, there is no possibility of turning the wheel of time around to take humanity back to the age of barbarism. Your ilk are having these dreams for the last few centuries since the dawn of the modern age but to no avail so far because primitive and barbaric minds cannot defeat socities at an advanced stage of social formation.

              Instead of living in the fantasy world, it would be better you people leave Muslims alone so they decide which forethought and what kind of skills and human endeavours can steer Muslims out of the the present quagmire and save them from becoming the proliteriate of the 21st Century.


              We may or may not be allies of one power or another but all extremists including you are the assets of global powers who can use your reactionary responses and primitive approaches to issues to destabalise our/Muslim societies.
              Last edited by Toramana; 10-29-2010, 12:32 AM.

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