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    The Obama administration will refuse to train or equip about a half-dozen Pakistani Army units that are believed to have killed unarmed prisoners and civilians during recent offensives against the Taliban, senior administration and Congressional officials said Thursday.

    What this means is that Pak Army indeed killed Pashtuns.

    The cutoff of funds is an unusual rebuke to a wartime ally, and it illustrates the growing tensions with a country that is seen as a pivotal partner, and sometimes impediment, in a campaign to root out Al Qaeda and other militant groups.
    The White House has not told Pakistan of the decision, even though senior Pakistani military and civilian leaders are here for a series of meetings, according to officials from both countries.
    The administration has briefed a few senior members of Congress, but it has not given them details about which Pakistani units will be affected by the suspension. One senior administration official said there was “a lot of concern about not embarrassing” the Pakistani military, especially during a week in which officials are here for the third “Strategic Dialogue” in a year.
    The decision comes just as the two countries are trying to get beyond a sharp exchange after NATO helicopter gunships killed three Pakistani paramilitary troops, and Pakistan retaliated by shutting down a critical allied supply route into Afghanistan.
    President Obama met Wednesday in Washington with Pakistan’s army chief, Gen. Ashfaq Parvez Kayani, and other senior Pakistani officials before leaving on a campaign trip to the West Coast, but the White House provided only a vague description of their conversations. Most of the strategic dialogue is focused on a range of subjects, including counterterrorism, nuclear security, flood relief and trade.
    The officials who described the decision said it would affect some Pakistani Army and special operations troops supported by the United States that have conducted offensives against Taliban fighters in the Swat Valley and South Waziristan in the past year, the officials said. But the process is not over: some additional Pakistani units may yet be denied American aid, officials say.
    The Leahy Amendment, a law that stretches back more than a decade, requires the United States to cut off aid to foreign military units that are found to have committed gross violations of human rights. It has been applied in the past to Indonesia and Colombia, but never to a country of such strategic importance to the United States as Pakistan.
    “I told the White House that I have real concerns about the Pakistani military’s actions, and I’m not going to close my eyes to it because of our national interests in Pakistan,” Senator Patrick J. Leahy, the author of the amendment, said Wednesday from his home in Vermont. “If the law is going to have teeth, it has to be taken seriously. Pakistan’s military leaders have made encouraging statements about addressing these issues, but this requires more than statements.”
    The United States spends about $2 billion a year on the Pakistani military, including money specifically designated for counterterrorism operations.
    A senior Pakistani official who has been involved in discussions about the issue said the United States had conveyed its concerns about reports of extrajudicial killings, which he said Pakistan was addressing. But he said Pakistan had not been notified that any army units had been refused training or equipment. The United States government “has not threatened us with withholding of assistance or training for any of our military units on these grounds,” the official said.
    Much of the administration’s review has been overseen by Adm. Mike Mullen, the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, one of the administration’s direct contacts with General Kayani. Admiral Mullen has spoken to senior lawmakers, including Senator Leahy and Senator John Kerry of Massachusetts, the chairman of the Foreign Relations Committee, and assured them that the law would be followed, a senior military officer said.
    Once strictures are in place, the government conducts inspections to make sure that the sanctioned units do not receive American training or equipment.
    Admiral Mullen is acutely aware that the United States is in a difficult position on this issue, senior military officers said. He is pushing Pakistan to enter forbidding territory to take on Al Qaeda and the Pakistani Taliban — a point that Mr. Obama reinforced in his meeting with General Kayani — even as the administration is punishing Pakistani troops for human rights abuses.
    A spokesman for Admiral Mullen, Capt. John Kirby, said in a statement Thursday night that the admiral had conveyed to General Kayani his “concerns about allegations surrounding the conduct of some Pakistani military units.” Captain Kirby said that Admiral Mullen “is comfortable that Gen. Kayani shares those concerns” and has taken steps to hold his commanders accountable for any abuses.
    Part of the difference is a stark cultural gulf between Pakistani military units, especially the lightly trained Frontier Corps, and American troops. American officials have long suspected that some Pakistani units have killed unarmed detainees and their civilian sympathizers in revenge for attacks on military and police outposts.
    The absence of a reliable court system to handle detainees also encourages battlefield justice, American officials say.



    General Kayani, who is considered more influential than any civilian official in the weak Pakistani government, has begun to act on the American warnings, senior American officials said. He recently ordered an inquiry into an Internet video that shows men in Pakistani military uniforms executing six young men in civilian clothes.



    General Kayani said in a statement at the time that violations of army rules against extrajudicial killings “will not be tolerated.”
    The Pakistani military has been accused of hundreds of extrajudicial killings. The Human Rights Commission of Pakistan, a nongovernmental organization, said in June that 282 had been committed in the Swat region in the previous year.
    But a senior State Department official said the Internet video seized the attention of senior officials at the White House and the State Department, and intensified discussions about how to deal with the issue. Some officials said the video might have also forced General Kayani to act.
    “As General Kayani has said repeatedly in public and in private, professional standards and enforcement of those standards are the hallmark of a modern and successful military,” Tommy Vietor, a White House spokesman, said Thursday in a statement.
    The White House’s most recent quarterly report to Congress on developments in the region cited continuing reports of gross violations of human rights in Pakistan. “There was some evidence that the Pakistani military has made initial steps to stop those abuses,” the report said. “However, despite U.S. engagement on the issue, reports of ongoing abuses continue to surface.”



    Under pressure from the United States, the Pakistani Army in 2009 carried out an offensive in Swat in the northwest, and a year later in South Waziristan in the mountainous tribal regions along the border with Afghanistan. In each case, the army has struggled to conduct counterinsurgency missions that maintain public support while singling out insurgents and their sympathizers in the population


    Even Adobe Photoshop can't change me.

    A line[Durrand line] of hatred that raised a wall between the two brothers -Hamid Karzai

    For generations, the Hindus of India prayed for deliverance from "the venom of the cobra, the teeth of the tiger and the vengeance of the Afghan."


    The men of Kábul and Khilj also went home; and whenever they were questioned about the Musulmáns of the Kohistán (the mountains), and how matters stood there, they said, "Don't call it Kohistán, but Afghánistán; for there is nothing there but Afgháns and disturbances." Thus it is clear that for this reason the people of the country call their home in their own language Afghánistán, and themselves Afgháns. The people of India call them Patán; but the reason for this is not known. But it occurs to me, that when, under the rule of Muhammadan sovereigns, Musulmáns first came to the city of Patná, and dwelt there, the people of India (for that reason) called them Patáns—but God knows!

    -Ferishta, 1560–1620

  • #2
    The aid cuts are the latest in a series of developments highlighting the uneasy relationship between Washington and its vital ally, sometimes seen as hindering the fight against al-Qaeda.

    The White House has not yet informed Pakistan of its decision even though senior Pakistani officials are in Washington for a series of talks this week, according to The New York Times, citing officials from both countries.

    It comes just as the two nations seek to smooth over their latest crisis after Nato helicopters killed Pakistani troops along the Afghanistan-Pakistan border and Islamabad responded by blocking the main transit point for US war supplies.

    Barack Obama's administration has "a lot of concern about not embarrassing" the Pakistani military, a senior official told the Times.

    Some US-backed Pakistani Army and special operations troops who have been in action against Taliban fighters in the Swat Valley and South Waziristan along the lawless border region will be affected by the decision, the newspaper said.

    The move would be in line with a law known as the Leahy Amendment, which requires the United States to cut off aid to foreign military units found to have committed gross human rights violations.

    Units from Indonesia and Colombia have been affected in the past, but this would be the first time it would hit a country of such strategic importance as Pakistan. It receives about $2 billion (£1.26 billion) in US aid for its military each year.

    "I told the White House that I have real concerns about the Pakistani military's actions, and I'm not going to close my eyes to it because of our national interests in Pakistan," the amendment's author Senator Patrick Leahy told the Times.

    A senior Pakistani official involved in discussions about the matter told the newspaper that the United States had expressed concern about reports of hundreds of extrajudicial killings committed by the Pakistani military. Pakistan was addressing the issue, he said.

    But the official noted that so far, the US government "has not threatened us with withholding of assistance or training for any of our military units on these grounds."


    US 'to cut aid to Pakistan army units over abuse' - Telegraph
    Vande Mataram - Lata Mangeshkar - YouTube

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    • #3
      Why did it take so long for the governments to realize this, or is public pressure just forcing the issue. I gave presentations to school and civil groups here in the States well over a year ago, saying exactly that, that neither the army not the militants could be trusted in Swat, and that it was the civilians who were suffering. We heard the reports of civilians under attack and calling to the army for help, and the army didn't budge.

      One of my slides in an older presentation says: "If the civilians speak out against the treatment from the Pakistani Army, they may be shot, and if they speak out against the Taliban they may be beheaded. Who will speak out FOR the civilians of Swat Valley? It appears that the army and The Taliban are brothers-with similar tactics-"

      I am a small person in this country, but if I am aware of this abuse of human rights, then should not many others as well?

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      • #4
        Originally posted by Zayam View Post
        Why did it take so long for the governments to realize this, or is public pressure just forcing the issue. I gave presentations to school and civil groups here in the States well over a year ago, saying exactly that, that neither the army not the militants could be trusted in Swat, and that it was the civilians who were suffering. We heard the reports of civilians under attack and calling to the army for help, and the army didn't budge.
        Many were unaware, and were presumably addressing this issue as if it was a rumor. Now that the US intelligence finally got its hand on it, they reviewed it, and I assume they finally realized that Pak Army is killing unarmed civilians with its aid packages. People ask why Pashtuns join the Taliban? The answer was present in that very video. Do you not think those people who were shot dead have relatives or family members? Quite obviously they would join the Taliban just to seek revenge. Not that they have similar strategic interests, but just for the sake of revenge. The reason the Taliban is at its all time high[by its own definition]is because it has support by the locals who have been tortured by either NATO or Pak Army. Anyways, before I go off in a tangent, the US is indeed pretty adamant when it comes to how it's aid is spent. Don't take them for fools, they know very well whats going on but at times, they sort of give a blind-eye to certain actions, but what Pak Army did to us Pashtuns this time was unprecedented and immoral on several accounts. I cant find a word to describe how I felt when I saw them being shot dead. It makes you think on various levels, did they not have families? what kind of pain did the mother face when she was told "Sta zoi mar so"[your son died]. Zmosh tola loy ghalatey dagha de che mush Pashtana yu. Nothing less,nothing more.

        One of my slides in an older presentation says: "If the civilians speak out against the treatment from the Pakistani Army, they may be shot, and if they speak out against the Taliban they may be beheaded. Who will speak out FOR the civilians of Swat Valley? It appears that the army and The Taliban are brothers-with similar tactics-"
        What you said is indeed true. In Karachi for instance, if you begin speaking up against MQM, they have what they call "units" the minute they say "Mein unit ko bolaonga" you better run for your life. These people are above the law and will get the job done. If you speak against the atrocities they committed, they will not only kill you, but they will also burn some G-3,11-C,Shehraz Mazdas as well. Why? Because they very well know this industry is controlled by the Pashtuns.


        "Aap to Pathan hain, aap ko angreezey kisnai sekhaya?"

        That is what defines us in that part of the land.
        Even Adobe Photoshop can't change me.

        A line[Durrand line] of hatred that raised a wall between the two brothers -Hamid Karzai

        For generations, the Hindus of India prayed for deliverance from "the venom of the cobra, the teeth of the tiger and the vengeance of the Afghan."


        The men of Kábul and Khilj also went home; and whenever they were questioned about the Musulmáns of the Kohistán (the mountains), and how matters stood there, they said, "Don't call it Kohistán, but Afghánistán; for there is nothing there but Afgháns and disturbances." Thus it is clear that for this reason the people of the country call their home in their own language Afghánistán, and themselves Afgháns. The people of India call them Patán; but the reason for this is not known. But it occurs to me, that when, under the rule of Muhammadan sovereigns, Musulmáns first came to the city of Patná, and dwelt there, the people of India (for that reason) called them Patáns—but God knows!

        -Ferishta, 1560–1620

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        • #5
          Admin,

          I agree but Pakistan Army is an American ran institution.

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          • #6
            When i watched that video, i was depressed and gloomy for whole day.
            Our blood has become cheaper than water. Our spin giris who hold most respect and prestige in pashtun society, were kicked and whipped in another leaked video by Pak fauj k jawans...
            Yet the ones having blind faith in army are refuting it. Previous year there was a suicide bomb attack on police station in peshawer which was located just near to house. Infront of police station are army flats (in swato patak). After explosion there was panic, wife of our neighbour who was just coming from shopping, ran to army flats for safety. But she was killed with burst of machine guns by pak fauj ka jawans. In tommarow newspapers we were shocked to the news in which ISPR had stated that attack on police station was suicide through explosives-filled car, while a terrorist woman wearing suicide jacket was successfully shot down by pak fauj k jawans gaurding army flats !!

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            • #7
              Originally posted by Luffy View Post
              When i watched that video, i was depressed and gloomy for whole day.
              Our blood has become cheaper than water. Our spin giris who hold most respect and prestige in pashtun society, were kicked and whipped in another leaked video by Pak fauj k jawans...
              Yet the ones having blind faith in army are refuting it. Previous year there was a suicide bomb attack on police station in peshawer which was located just near to house. Infront of police station are army flats (in swato patak). After explosion there was panic, wife of our neighbour who was just coming from shopping, ran to army flats for safety. But she was killed with burst of machine guns by pak fauj ka jawans. In tommarow newspapers we were shocked to the news in which ISPR had stated that attack on police station was suicide through explosives-filled car, while a terrorist woman wearing suicide jacket was successfully shot down by pak fauj k jawans gaurding army flats !!
              Is this the army flats past qayyum Stadium and saddar?

              Yaraa ISPR does that all the time. Every day they kill 10, 20 5 30 militants...khudae khabr ka dae kae neem ham taliban wee.
              http://i29.tinypic.com/2a6j8jm.gif

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              • #8
                @bls
                Yes, ahead of old army flats new ones are built at swati pathak, infront of which explosion took place. I was talking of this news.
                BBC NEWS | South Asia | Deadly bomb shakes Pakistani city

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Jasmine
                  BLS1919v2.0,
                  The US, Nato and Pak Army hardly ever kills Taliban.
                  The drone attacks are very precise and mostly the militants/foriegners are killed in attacks. Local spies in tribal areas throw a chip in a confirmed house/hideout and then it is followed by drone attack on that location...my waziristani colleauges say

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Luffy View Post
                    The drone attacks are very precise and mostly the militants/foriegners are killed in attacks. Local spies in tribal areas throw a chip in a confirmed house/hideout and then it is followed by drone attack on that location...my waziristani colleauges say
                    And the pakistan army operation...how are the locals there looking at them?

                    Manana..I used to live in the older army flats.
                    http://i29.tinypic.com/2a6j8jm.gif

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by heratigirl
                      I wonder where everyone is now? You see what kind of Army that is. 300 cases in Swat alone.
                      Its a napak , murtadd army wich is dancing to the tunes of USA .This army is killing Pakhtuns in mass scala. We Pakhtuns should wake up and break free from napakistan. Our land, culture, mothertounge, customs etc are all different from napakistanis. We are NOT pakistanis. We are PAKHTUNS! WAKE UP brothers and sisters! WAKE UP before its too late!

                      YouTube - Napak army helicopter shoot down by taliban

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by laghmanking
                        This is clear proof of terrorism. Pakistan doesn't consider us Pukhtuns as humans. When I saw that video, I officially began to hate the Paki Army.

                        You should officially hate PAKISTAN! Pakistan is not your country. your country is Afghanistan. KHYBER PAKHTUNKHWA and BALOCHISTAN should break free from napakistan and unite backwith AFghanistan.

                        Only when we Pakhtuns unite and break free and live under ONE UNITED PAKHTUN COUNTRY ( LOY AFGHANISTAN), only then will there be peace for us as a nation.

                        YouTube - Afghans In History Episode Thirteen - The Durrand Line

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Luffy View Post
                          When i watched that video, i was depressed and gloomy for whole day.
                          Our blood has become cheaper than water. Our spin giris who hold most respect and prestige in pashtun society, were kicked and whipped in another leaked video by Pak fauj k jawans...
                          Yet the ones having blind faith in army are refuting it. Previous year there was a suicide bomb attack on police station in peshawer which was located just near to house. Infront of police station are army flats (in swato patak). After explosion there was panic, wife of our neighbour who was just coming from shopping, ran to army flats for safety. But she was killed with burst of machine guns by pak fauj ka jawans. In tommarow newspapers we were shocked to the news in which ISPR had stated that attack on police station was suicide through explosives-filled car, while a terrorist woman wearing suicide jacket was successfully shot down by pak fauj k jawans gaurding army flats !!

                          Unless we PAKHTUNS dont break free from napakistan we will be killed systematically left , right , center. Our number one enemy is napakistan. Screw that country. BREAK FREE! Our nations BLESSING lies in BREAKING FREE from Napakistan.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by PashtunQueen
                            Luffy if you know how they treated some of my family, you will cry they tortured many of my family members and relatives. I hate the Pakistan govt and the Army.

                            Do you still wanna call your self "pakistani"??

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                            • #15
                              Paam kawa Pakhtunpolicy, da forum da panjapak da zamanoo tsakha dak dai. Aw da Panjapak zaman, you knoo who you benamoosan are in this forum.

                              Listen to this vid in full. I love this guy, he calls Pakistan: PanjaPak. lol
                              YouTube - Great Pashto Song, Afghan The Only National, Official & Schooling Language For Great Afghanistan[/URL]

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