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    ^ No we are not Kandahary rest assured, the only concern for Pakistan is India using Afghan proxies to fund the TTP and for that Pakistan will continue to work to make sure that no such assets fall into Indian hands and the only way for that to happen is a stable and prosperous Afghanistan capable of repelling foreign influence


    read the article below, it was written by an indian author


    India seeks a new direction


    By M K Bhadrakumar

    The two-day visit by India's National Security Advisor Shivshankar Menon to Kabul last week took place in the immediate context of the lethal terrorist strike on Indians in Kabul on February 26, but it underscored the need for a comprehensive rethink on Delhi's Afghanistan policy.

    No doubt, India's policy is at a crossroads. Assumptions behind the establishment thinking in Delhi in the recent years are fast withering amid the evolving situation in Afghanistan and India's growing security concerns. On the one hand, Delhi was complacent about its influence in Kabul outstripping Islamabad's and too confident that it rather than Pakistan was the "natural ally" to the US in the fight against terrorism.

    The big question is whether Delhi is pragmatic enough to accept that new thinking has become necessary. First and foremost, it does not help if India ignores the nascent processes of Afghan national reconciliation. Delhi on its own is incapable of calibrating the Afghan reconciliation process and the Indian and US approaches diverge. Enduring peace can only come out of an inclusive political settlement in Kabul.

    Delhi lost much time quibbling over the "good" and "bad" Taliban while the international community and regional players moved on. There was initially some uneasiness that the Afghan government led by President Hamid Karzai was seeking reconciliation with the insurgent groups.

    But more worrisome for Delhi is the fact Karzai has begun seeking help from Pakistan. The fault lies entirely with the Indians in having failed to support him in recent months. Delhi backed losing candidate Abdullah Abdullah in last year's presidential elections on the facile assumption that Washington wished to see him in power. That was a disastrous error of judgment.

    Karzai is expected to unfold a road map on reconciliation within the next six weeks. He hopes to hold a loya jirgha (grand council) on April 29 with a view, as he put it, to "get guidance from the Afghan people on how to move forward towards reintegration and reconciliation [with the Taliban]". And in his estimation, if there is greater participation by insurgent elements in parliamentary elections scheduled to be held in August, then further coalition-building becomes possible.

    Delhi can anticipate that in all this, Karzai hopes for cooperation from Pakistan and as a quid pro quo he can be expected to factor in Pakistan's interests. The day after Menon concluded his visit, Pakistani army chief Ashfaq Pervez Kiani met Karzai in Kabul to discuss "matters of mutual interest". Karzai followed it up with a two-day visit to Islamabad that started on Wednesday.

    Pakistan's assertiveness is bothering Indian strategists but Delhi seems to have overlooked that many factors work in Islamabad's favor. The Afghan elites in Kabul have close social and family kinships with Peshawar. The Afghan economy is dependent on imports from Pakistan. Pakistan has influence over Taliban groups and unlike in the past it has also cultivated the non-Pashtun groups of the erstwhile Northern Alliance. It also shouldn't be forgotten that more than 80% of North Atlantic Treaty Organization (NATO) supplies for the war in Afghanistan pass through Pakistan.

    And most of all, Delhi underestimated that Pakistan is the US's key non-NATO ally in the war and that implicit in this is Pakistan's expectation to be recognized by Washington as a regional power. In fact, the US has been harping on a fundamental theme: Pakistan has a choice to make, namely, whether it wants to have a comprehensive partnership with the US and NATO; and if so, that it must cooperate with Washington's strategies in the region.


    The prevailing view in India is that the Pakistani military continues to play it both ways. But they may be in for disillusionment as there strong likelihood is that Pakistani army chief Kiani may have begun to explore the potential of the US offer.

    Pakistan estimates that it is closer than at any time before to gaining "strategic depth" in Afghanistan - and this time, Washington may acquiesce. Indeed, the US is encouraging Pakistan-Afghanistan harmony in any way it can. However, Pakistan carefully assesses that the US's regional strategies have significant implications for its "all-weather friendship" with China, its adversarial ties with India, and its troubled relationship with Iran. The US strategies aim at countering China's rise, fostering a strategic partnership with India and navigating the standoff with Iran on Washington's terms.

    Delhi will closely watch Karzai's consultations in Islamabad as a turning point. Karzai urgently needs Pakistani cooperation for his reconciliation agenda and Islamabad expects the Afghan leader to pay heed to its legitimate interests. These interests undoubtedly include a rollback of the Indian presence in Afghanistan.

    During his meeting with Karzai in Kabul, Kiani reportedly offered that Pakistan could undertake the training of the Afghan army. Delhi, too, has repeatedly shown interest in assisting the build-up of the Afghan army. Conceivably, the US concurs with the Pakistani offer, whereas it discourages any such Indian role in Afghanistan. NATO secretary general Anders Fogh Rasmussen stated in Jordan on Sunday that he would like to "encourage Muslim countries to engage in Afghanistan ... Muslim countries have valuable cultural and religious awareness and expertise to bear".

    Soon after Kiani's meeting with Karzai, US Defense Secretary Robert Gates paid an unannounced visit to Kabul. At a joint press conference with Karzai he also complimented Pakistan's cooperation - "the security situation is no longer deteriorating and there are also a number of other positive developments ... Improvements in the relations with Pakistan have yielded tangible results and increased cooperation along the border ... there are grounds for optimism as our countries pursue what President Karzai has called an Afghan-led, and an Afghan-owned initiative to ensure peace and stability."

    Thus, from the Indian perspective, a tough regional security scenario presents itself. There is no doubt that Karzai has a lot of goodwill towards India and, in fact, he was the recipient of the Indira Gandhi Peace Prize in 2005. But Delhi needs to come to terms with the reality that his preoccupation in the coming period will be to work closely with Pakistan and to ensure that the loya jirgha turns out to be a success and a cornerstone in the reconciliation process with the Taliban.

    If Delhi failed to anticipate this shift in Karzai's order of priorities, it has only itself to blame. Thus, even in the face of impending realignments in the Afghan political and military situation that were obvious to most perceptive foreign observers, Delhi kept up the presence of a few thousands Indians in Afghanistan whose security becomes now almost entirely its responsibility to shoulder.

    Delhi will be averse to taking such a responsibility that requires deployment of more Indian security forces to protect Indian establishments in Afghanistan. It may well be compelled to rethink the extent of its presence, notwithstanding the current official stance that no rollback is planned.

    A better understanding of the Afghan security situation would have helped and at any rate a course correction is now needed with regard to Indian projects in Afghanistan during the transition period ahead.

    One way out could be for Delhi to complete the projects in the pipeline and not undertake fresh ones. This is a sensitive issue since the Indian strategic community stands in favor of a forceful presence in Afghanistan and any rollback by the government may appear a weak-kneed response to Pakistani "blackmail".

    But there is a big picture, too. The Indian strategic community overlooked that the US war had a hidden agenda. Simply put, NATO's enlargement into Central Asia, the US's containment strategy toward China (and Russia and Iran) and Pakistan's key role in US regional strategy - all these impact India's interests. Most important, there is a likelihood of regional hotspots such as North Caucasus, the Ferghana Valley, Xinjiang and Kashmir lighting up.

    Delhi had put all its eggs in the American basket and now needs to activate its regional policies. Russian Prime Minister Vladimir Putin is scheduled to arrive in Delhi at the weekend. The Indian foreign minister is scheduled to visit China next month and possibly Iran by the end of March. The annual summit meeting of the Shanghai Cooperation Organization (SCO) in June in Tashkent, Uzbekistan, becomes of added interest to Delhi.

    However, the heart of the matter is that the Afghan policy is a microcosm of a larger malaise that the Indian foreign policy and security establishment needs to tackle. There is no evidence that Delhi has the political will to have a course correction in this aspect.

    In retrospect, Delhi's hare-brained idea of a US-led "quadripartite alliance" against China, the "Tibet card", the dilution of a 2003 strategic understanding with Iran, neglect of the traditional friendship with Russia, the lukewarm attitude toward the SCO, exaggerated notions within the establishment regarding the US-India strategic partnership as an alternative to an independent foreign policy and diversified external relationships - all these appear now like dreadful pantomimes out of India's foreign policy chronicle of recent years that Delhi would rather not think about.
    Last edited by Talal; 04-19-2010, 08:56 PM.
    It's enough that I know, Our time had a home, In your heart..Was a place..But the glass always breaks..

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    ^source

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      ^

      It's enough that I know, Our time had a home, In your heart..Was a place..But the glass always breaks..

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        Pakistan, US agree on new Afghan set-up


        Wednesday, March 10, 2010

        News Analysis By Absar Alam


        ISLAMABAD: A strategic shift in Pakistan’s three-decade old Afghan policy has taken a quiet but effective shape as Islamabad has successfully negotiated a peace plan with Mustafa Zahir Shah, the grandson of late King Zahir Shah, who would play a key role in future political dispensation comprising all ethnic groups. “It is a strategic coup by Pakistan against rising Indian influence in Afghanistan,” an analyst tartly remarked commenting on the development. As Islamabad has agreed to untangle the complicated jihadist network fabricated by General Ziaul Haq in 1979, it has acquired ‘iron-clad’ guarantees from Washington and other world capitals to gain advantages not only in regional political and economic affairs but also to get peaceful nuclear technology related benefits, sources privy to the most significant development taking place in the region in more than quarter a century, claimed.

        Prime Minister Gilani’s spokesperson Shabbir Anwar, when contacted, said Pakistan wanted peace in Afghanistan. “We will do whatever we can in strengthening of the political institutions in Afghanistan.”

        Anwar, however, said the Foreign Office would be in a better position to comment on such a development. The foreign office spokesman could not be reached despite repeated attempts as his cell phone was switched off.

        “Karzai is fast becoming a seat-warmer for Mustafa Zahir Shah,” a diplomat commented. “But the young leader will have to perform a very complicated balancing act by satisfying both sides of the ethnic divides in the world’s one of the least governable countries.”

        To continue to have a political foothold in Afghanistan and counter Pakistan’s thriving liaison with Mustafa Zahir Shah and the Northern Alliance, Indian Prime Minister Manmohan Singh went to Saudi Arabia to get help in establishing contacts with Taliban. Saudi Arabia reportedly has refused to oblige.

        According to the clinched deal, Islamabad would help cobble together a consensus political dispensation in Kabul comprising all ethnic groups, help ensure its stability, dismantle the dreaded militant infrastructure and carefully comb its security apparatus to avert the rise of radicalism. On all counts, Pakistan has already started delivering and brick-by-brick demolition of Jehadi infrastructure has already set in motion. A high-level Pakistani delegation held a final round of negotiations with Mustafa Zahir Shah and Northern Alliance in Kabul a couple of weeks ago.


        Islamabad’s diplomatic circles are abuzz with this new, exciting development taking shape during the last few weeks. “To convince Mustafa Zahir Shah to lead, and make the leaderships of Northern Alliance and Taliban share power among themselves is a major breakthrough successfully engineered by Pakistan to reclaim its lost position in Afghanistan,” the sources said.

        In addition to winning over the confidence of Mustafa Zahir Shah, the weaning off Northern Alliance from India is the most important milestone in Pakistan’s foreign policy as ties between the two sides had been strained for Islamabad’s tilt towards Taliban. As final touches are being given to level the rough contours of this win-win policy, the diplomatic sources in Islamabad are attributing great significance to the sudden dash of Chief of Army Staff General Ashfaq Parvez Kayani to Kabul over the weekend.

        In return for the success of this policy, the sources claimed, Washington has given guarantees to Islamabad that it would support Pakistan’s efforts to buy nuclear power plants from France for peaceful purposes, limit India’s political role in Afghanistan and Pakistan would have the right to buy oil and gas on less-than-market price from the proposed oil and gas pipelines originating from Central Asia and Afghanistan to India. The royalty that Pakistan would earn on these energy pipelines passing through its territory would be in addition to the above benefits.

        DG ISPR Maj-Gen Athar Abbas, when contacted to ask if Pakistani officials were engaged in negotiating such an understanding with the help of the US and the Nato in return for political and economic benefits of the country, he said: “It is a political issue and I have no comments”.

        When asked about the high level contacts between Pakistani officials and Mustafa Zahir Shah and Northern Alliance leaders, Abbas said: “Not to my knowledge.” The arrests of top Taliban commanders from Mulla Abdul Ghani Baradar two weeks ago to Abu Yehya Gadan over the weekend is a testament to Islamabad’s sincere commitment with this new approach.

        In his weekend visit Gen Kayani met Afghan President Hamid Karzai to, what the sources said, discuss his role, if any, in the new setup. Almost a week prior to Kayani’s visit to Kabul, a high-level delegation comprising officials who have been handling the Afghan strategy for decades, visited Kabul and met Mustafa to finalise the future peace plan for Afghanistan. The success has been reached following a series of behind-the-scene meetings in and outside Pakistan between Pakistani officials, Mustafa Zahir Shah, Saudi and US officials, and key leaders of Northern Alliance who have earlier been sceptical of Islamabad’s intentions.

        The difference this time would be that Pakistan would ensure the acceptance of this new formula both by the Northern Alliance and Taliban with Mustafa Zahir Shah leading the brood. Sources claimed that the new plan would guarantee Pakistan’s political and economic interests in the region as well as the existence of a peaceful Afghanistan after the withdrawal of the US and the Nato troops.

        The sources claimed that the establishment is quite serious now in reigning in radical elements who have been creating difficulties for Pakistan in the past. “Now they will not be given a free hand anymore and the elements within the establishment supporting such ideologies and activities would be sidelined in the next round of promotions starting from next month,” source said.
        Last edited by Talal; 04-19-2010, 09:32 PM.
        It's enough that I know, Our time had a home, In your heart..Was a place..But the glass always breaks..

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          ^Pakistan needs to really stop meddling with Afghan affairs with its failed strategic depth policy.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by pukhtana View Post
            ^Pakistan needs to really stop meddling with Afghan affairs with its failed strategic depth policy.
            We have no interest in Afghanistan other than to see it prosper with a stable governance and the only way for that to happen is for India to stop its nefarious activities against Pakistan using Afghanistan as a base, Unless and untill that continues Afghanistan can never be stabilised.

            If your against Pakistani influence within Afghanistan then you should also be against India using Afghan proxies to back insurgencies within Pakistan.
            It's enough that I know, Our time had a home, In your heart..Was a place..But the glass always breaks..

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            • #7
              Originally posted by Talal View Post
              We have no interest in Afghanistan other than to see it prosper with a stable governance and the only way for that to happen is for India to stop its nefarious activities against Pakistan using Afghanistan as a base, Unless and untill that continues Afghanistan can never be stabilised.

              If your against Pakistani influence within Afghanistan then you should also be against India using Afghan proxies to back insurgencies within Pakistan.
              How do you know India is using Afghanistan as a base?

              India is the largest donor to Afghanistan in the region.

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              • #8
                ^ Pakistan has confiscated considerable no. of firearms of Indian origin, RAMA is a brainchild of RAW.

                Following is from a foreign policy article


                The former intelligence official strongly supported the regional approach to Afghanistan suggested by US special representative to Afghanistan and Pakistan Richard Holbrooke. "Afghanistan is a classic power vacuum," the former official said. "Neighbors see it as point of instability to guarantee their own stability or an opportunity to score points."

                While the U.S. media has frequently reported on Pakistani ties to jihadi elements launching attacks in Afghanistan, it has less often mentioned that India supports insurgent forces attacking Pakistan, the former intelligence official said. "The Indians are up to their necks in supporting the Taliban against the Pakistani government in Afghanistan and Pakistan," the former intelligence official who served in both countries said. "The same anti-Pakistani forces in Afghanistan also shooting at American soldiers are getting support from India. India should close its diplomatic establishments in Afghanistan and get the Christ out of there."


                "None of this is ever one-sided," he added. "That is why it was so devastating and we were so let down" when India got taken out of Holbrooke's official brief.
                This article stirred up quite a controversy and later on it was "challenged" by a Washington South Asia expert


                A Washington South Asia expert, among others, wrote to dispute the allegation made by a former U.S. intelligence official cited in the piece that India is aiding the Taliban, although he said such support may be going to other anti-Pakistan insurgent groups. "It doesn't square with my observations/sources, even though lots of Pakistanis will say it is true," one said. "The Indians have - by many accounts - had a longstanding connection with Baluch nationalists/separatists in Pakistan, but these are not Taliban and they aren't active in Afghanistan fighting against US/NATO forces. So yes, India gives Pakistan grief (as Pakistan has in India), but I've seen no evidence that it comes from Pakistani or Afghan Taliban.

                However, fact of the matter is that a CIA official came forth and admitted Indian role in backing the TTP. Now even though it was rebuffed by a south asia expert, the fact is that even the expert didnt deny India backing Insurgencies within Pakistan.

                I didnt post an article from a Pakistani source since you would rubbish it as bias
                It's enough that I know, Our time had a home, In your heart..Was a place..But the glass always breaks..

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Talal View Post
                  We have no interest in Afghanistan other than to see it prosper with a stable governance and the only way for that to happen is for India to stop its nefarious activities against Pakistan using Afghanistan as a base, Unless and untill that continues Afghanistan can never be stabilised. .
                  Holy crack! What a f.ucking lie!

                  Even you know thats a lie! You have many interests in Afghanistan the biggest of them is Pashtunistan/Pashtunkhwa. Afghanistan do not recognize Pakistan officially and are still aiming to get its terretory back! Even After 60 years of propaganda you havent succeded in turning pashtuns to patriotic Pakistanis, you are still unsecure about who we belongs to just take a look at all the name change drama.

                  Are you blind or what or are you laughter champion aka Zaid hamid himself hidding behind the user talal? India using Afghanistan against Pakistan? LOL one fu.cing big lol!!! And that might be true but damn not to same extent! Pakistan have used Afghanistan and its their aim to keep Afghanistan as undevaloped as possible.
                  Originally posted by Talal View Post
                  If your against Pakistani influence within Afghanistan then you should also be against India using Afghan proxies to back insurgencies within Pakistan.
                  Again a ´lie, who blowed Mumbai hotels and who blowéd indian ambassy several times in Afghanistan?

                  Should we just support Pakistan while refusing to cooperate with India? The upcoming economical power? You want Taliban back because they will refuse india due to religion but hopefully Afghans can rise again in future and avoid the return of Taliban.

                  "CIA worked with Pakistan to create Taliban"

                  "US documents show Pakistan gave Taliban military aid"
                  The Pakistani government gave substantial military support to the Taliban in the years leading up to the September 11 attacks, sending arms and soldiers to fight alongside the militant Afghan movement, according to newly released US official documents.

                  "Afghan Strikes by Taliban Get Pakistan Help, U.S. Aides Say"

                  "Taliban 'receives direct support from Pakistan"

                  Pakistan: "The Taliban's Godfather"?
                  Pakistan was also behind attack on the Indian embassy in Afghanistan!

                  Documents Detail Years of Pakistani Support for Taliban, Extremists

                  Several documents showing pakistan did everything to support(terrorists)
                  “Pakistan, which plays a key role in Asia, is so famous for treachery that it is said they can get milk from a bull. They have two tongues in one mouth, and two faces on one head so they can speak everybody’s language; they use everybody, deceive everybody.

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                  • #10
                    Lewanu Malgaro
                    sal (100 ) khbray sar ya Yu (1)

                    Da ZaMa TaQdir DaY
                    Chi Pa Wino Ki SaFar KawAm

                    Yao Doshman Chi Wa waham
                    Bia Bal Waham Bia Bal Waham …


                    Staso sa khyal da India ao Amreka ao gordan brown yaye

                    chay Pukhtun Terst da walay ?....

                    Da wagoray 2 pukhtana di yu da FArsiwanu da para jang kawe

                    ao bal da Punjbyanu da para.......ka detail ghwaray darta lekam

                    Hela da chay poh ba shway ba wa
                    .....


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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Nokia_Apridy View Post
                      Lewanu Malgaro
                      sal (100 ) khbray sar ya Yu (1)

                      Da ZaMa TaQdir DaY
                      Chi Pa Wino Ki SaFar KawAm

                      Yao Doshman Chi Wa waham
                      Bia Bal Waham Bia Bal Waham …


                      Staso sa khyal da India ao Amreka ao gordan brown yaye

                      chay Pukhtun Terst da walay ?....

                      Da wagoray 2 pukhtana di yu da FArsiwanu da para jang kawe

                      ao bal da Punjbyanu da para.......ka detail ghwaray darta lekam

                      Hela da chay poh ba shway ba wa
                      PA khabara de poi na shom, pa detail ye wolika
                      “Pakistan, which plays a key role in Asia, is so famous for treachery that it is said they can get milk from a bull. They have two tongues in one mouth, and two faces on one head so they can speak everybody’s language; they use everybody, deceive everybody.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by kunar1990 View Post
                        Holy crack! What a f.ucking lie!

                        Even you know thats a lie! You have many interests in Afghanistan the biggest of them is Pashtunistan/Pashtunkhwa. Afghanistan do not recognize Pakistan officially and are still aiming to get its terretory back! Even After 60 years of propaganda you havent succeded in turning pashtuns to patriotic Pakistanis, you are still unsecure about who we belongs to just take a look at all the name change drama.

                        Are you blind or what or are you laughter champion aka Zaid hamid himself hidding behind the user talal? India using Afghanistan against Pakistan? LOL one fu.cing big lol!!! And that might be true but damn not to same extent! Pakistan have used Afghanistan and its their aim to keep Afghanistan as undevaloped as possible.


                        Again a ´lie, who blowed Mumbai hotels and who blowéd indian ambassy several times in Afghanistan?

                        Should we just support Pakistan while refusing to cooperate with India? The upcoming economical power? You want Taliban back because they will refuse india due to religion but hopefully Afghans can rise again in future and avoid the return of Taliban.

                        "CIA worked with Pakistan to create Taliban"

                        "US documents show Pakistan gave Taliban military aid"
                        The Pakistani government gave substantial military support to the Taliban in the years leading up to the September 11 attacks, sending arms and soldiers to fight alongside the militant Afghan movement, according to newly released US official documents.

                        "Afghan Strikes by Taliban Get Pakistan Help, U.S. Aides Say"

                        "Taliban 'receives direct support from Pakistan"

                        Pakistan: "The Taliban's Godfather"?
                        Pakistan was also behind attack on the Indian embassy in Afghanistan!

                        Documents Detail Years of Pakistani Support for Taliban, Extremists

                        Several documents showing pakistan did everything to support(terrorists)
                        http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/NSAEBB/NSAEBB227/index.htm

                        Much of what you wrote is incoherent ranting that makes little sense, Pakistan created taliban its a well known fact. Pakistan has never backed away from that. But Taliban is the reason why Afghanistan had some sort of ugly stability after the civil war, ive said here many times Taliban could never have succeeded without local support since they are all Pashtun fighters. So yes Pakistan helped them and yes they did bring some sort of stability to Afghanistan, the eventual plan was to mellow out their Hardcore Islamic beliefs and return stability to the war-torn area, unfortunately after 9/11 the country again got thrown to dogs.

                        Now the US wants out and due to the karzai's incompetence Taliban are the only group capable of filling that Power vaccum so therefore some sort of arrangement must be made where a Taliban/Civilian hybrid government takes form and the country get to see some stability after 10 years of war.

                        You sound like a pissed off kid from Kindergarten, go and learn how to talk and present an argument..Till then dont trash here and dont expect a reply

                        Originally posted by Samima
                        Pakistan is basically wants a friendly Afghanistan.

                        An Unfriendly Afghanistan will KILL Pakistan.

                        Cause then India on one side.
                        Afghanistan on the other.


                        Lets not imagine that.
                        Pakistan needs a stable and friendly Afghanistan. I mentioned the word stable foremost because stability within a country is the first and foremost priority of all its neghbours especially one it shares such a deep cultural bond with.

                        Unfortunately for now its neither friendly nor stable and we are fighting a two front war. And another ironic thing is that we have India on both sides not just one
                        Last edited by Talal; 04-20-2010, 10:41 PM.
                        It's enough that I know, Our time had a home, In your heart..Was a place..But the glass always breaks..

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                        • #13
                          kunar ta sa shi ta jangagy ? khpaly Pukhtu ta ao khpal ULUUS ta kna

                          Ao gopashtun ao talal sa shi ta jangegy hem Pukhtu ao khpal ulluS ta

                          kala chay Qumuna pa Mulkunu ka bala bal (taqseem ) shwey ya

                          NAray (world) bya gawah da chay 3 qoom ta payda akhley ....

                          bas simple

                          Gani Kunar ta wagora hem sta Sarkari jaba Pukhtu da khu % wagora

                          da Farsi 65 % da pa Pukhtunistan ka ao

                          Gopuhstun ao TAlal ta wagora Pakistan ka zma Khawrey har si di

                          Bejley Gas ao Main Plantuna ya Pujnab ka di...

                          bya walay yu Walay nashu chay na za Farsi da para jang wakam

                          awo na za da Pakistan da para.......
                          .....


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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Talal View Post
                            Much of what you wrote is incoherent ranting that makes little sense
                            Of course it make little sense, its different from what your propagandistic politician tells you on daily basis. What made me angry was the clear propaganda you are spreading here. You seems to be photocopy or Zayed Hamid himself - the laughter champion coming here on a Pashtun forum to convince us to believe that India and the jews are the evil and Pakistan is our friend.

                            You sound like you have done us a great favor when you talk about the creation of Taliban. You are probably right that Afghanistan had a short period of stability under Taliban rule but what else had Taliban to offer to the afghan people? Nothing? And if they are so great why don't you want them to rule Pakistan? The real fact is that Pakistan want an Afghanistan to be ruled by Taliban, so Pakistan can use the Taliban as their proxy force for own goals. Thats the Ideal "Stabil" Afghanistan Pakistan wants. Remember in the Indian Pak wars Afghanistan did not allow India to use Afghan airspace which if we had given them permission could possible had resulted in defeat.

                            And btw American surge in Afghanistan is already showing good results. There may be a Taliban participation in the Afghan politics eventually, but it will be a political participation. It will not be a Taliban dictatorship like 90s.
                            “Pakistan, which plays a key role in Asia, is so famous for treachery that it is said they can get milk from a bull. They have two tongues in one mouth, and two faces on one head so they can speak everybody’s language; they use everybody, deceive everybody.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Sabrina
                              Sir,
                              Pashtuns are very big on brotherhood.

                              So Pakistan masterminded the taliban, they knew exactly what to do to win the local support.

                              Some of the Taliban were good, some were horrible. But the Pashtuns only supported them because Pakistan did some thing that they knew Pashtuns would like.


                              Shift of Capital to Kandahar again(Kandahar was the 1st capital of Afghanistan later shifted to Kabul)

                              In the Taliban regime, they made Kandahar the De-facto capital cause they knew Kandahar being the capital of Pashtun culture in the world they would gain support.


                              They started using Pashto for nearly EVERYTHING. I mean, which Pashtun would not like that?


                              Pakistan used psychology to gain support amongst tribal Pashtuns.
                              And how was that bad ?! At that time the best thing Pakistan would have done for Afghanistan was support the pasthuns against tajik and uzbek commanders who had thrown the country to dogs. Do you know who lead the northern alliance and what these commanders did to pashtuns ? Do you have any idea if Pakistan hadnt supported the talibs who would be running the country and what would happen to Afghanistan ?

                              The Taliban were hardcore in their beliefs and yes they ruled with an iron fist but atleast you guys had stability, atleast they took care of the drugs, didnt rape women atleast they had some sort of decency in managing affairs..Look at what is happening right now, you have guys like General Fahim the great tajik commander whom UN has a record on rape, drugs and whatnot..That man is commanding the Afghan National Army and he is the defence minister !
                              It's enough that I know, Our time had a home, In your heart..Was a place..But the glass always breaks..

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