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    ISLAMABAD: President Hamid Karzai reassured on Thursday Pakistani leaders of a role in the reconciliation process with Taliban and other Afghan warring factions as his country headed for parliamentary elections this weekend.

    The message was common in his interaction with both civilian and military leaders in Islamabad. The situation in Afghanistan and the political process for wooing back the militants came up for discussions during the meetings.

    Mr Karzai told Prime Minister Yousuf Raza Gilani that Kabul would enter into consultations with Islamabad over the reconciliation process a proposed high level council for talks with the warring groups was named.

    The Afghan government is expected to announce the 35-member peace council soon.

    The composition of the council, likely to be led by former mujahideen commander Burhanuddin Rabbani, has been discussed with the Pakistan government.

    While reiterating Pakistan’s offer of support in the reconciliation process, Mr Gilani observed that it has to be an Afghan-led process, which was the only hope for a durable solution. “It was for the people of Afghanistan themselves to decide their future,” he said.

    Pakistan has a strong interest in the reconciliation process that could determine the political future of a post-war Afghanistan.

    In February, Pakistani security forces captured Taliban number two, Mullah Baradar, from Karachi allegedly to scuttle secret peace talks between Baradar and the Karzai administration that bypassed Pakistan.

    Later, Pakistan started efforts to secure a role for the Haqqani network, the military’s long-trusted group in Afghanistan.

    The initiative for roping in the Haqqanis has been on the backburner for a couple of months because of a lack of US support.

    Sources said the group’s name was back in play after President Karzai’s meetings with Army Chief Gen Ashfaq Parvez Kayani and ISI chief Gen Pasha.

    Mr Karzai’s visit to Islamabad in March was described as a turning point in the largely uneasy and complicated Pakistan-Afghan bilateral relations, but new irritants, particularly the inflammatory statements by Afghan leaders in the wake of Wikileaks scandal, compelled the president to put an extra emphasis on developing ties.

    It was in this context the joint declaration signed at the conclusion of the visit mentioned a road map for strengthening bilateral cooperation. But inevitably, much of the emphasis was on institutional engagement on security and counter-terrorism because a big part of Pakistan-Afghan differences relate to these issues.

    TRIPARTITE COMMISSION:
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    No wonder Mr Karzai then attended the tripartite commission meeting involving Pakistan, Afghanistan and ISAF commanders.

    The meeting, much like in the past, concluded with commitments to improve coordination and intelligence sharing about movements of militants across the Pakistan-Afghan border, but President Karzai’s unprecedented presence at the meeting indicated the seriousness in resolving the outstanding issues.

    Prime Minister Gilani, in his meeting with Mr Karzai, had also emphasised the need for strengthening the tripartite dialogue so as to foil designs for “spoiling the cordial relations between the two sides”.

    In another indication of warming of Pakistan-Afghan relations, the first batch of Afghan army officers has been nominated for training in Pakistan and one of the officers has already joined the Military Staff College.

    Pakistan had long been pushing for a military and police training deal for neutralising Indian influence on Afghan security forces.

    The other important issue at Mr Karzai’s meetings was security for the Saturday’s parliamentary elections.

    Diplomatic observers saw in the timing of the Afghan president’s visit an attempt to win Islamabad’s support before the crucial elections.
    It's enough that I know, Our time had a home, In your heart..Was a place..But the glass always breaks..

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    There is no role for pakistanis to play they are Taliban in disguise,pakistan paranoia of India will destroy herself .
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    • #3
      ^ That is not what your president thinks nor does the U S of A


      The US Special Representative for Afghanistan and Pakistan Richard Holbrooke has acknowledged that Pakistan has an important and legitimate role in Afghanistan. He was participating in Special Roundtable with national and international radio networks hosted by Radio Pakistan in Islamabad Friday morning. The Rountable was hosted by Director-General Radio Pakistan Murtaza Solangi and participated by representatives of BBC, VOA, DW, FM Power-99, FM-103 and a journalist live from Swat.
      Replying to question, Mr. Holbrooke said it is not in the interest of Afghanistan, Pakistan or the region that Taliban take over in Kabul. He said both Pakistan and Afghanistan will have to work together to ensure stability in Afghanistan.
      To a question he said it was difficult to predict outcome of the Afghan parliamentary elections being held tomorrow as there are about ten candidates against each seat and they are not organized in political parties.
      About corruption in Afghanistan, he said the international community is not there to eliminate it but eradication is necessary for success of the on-going war on terror.
      The US Special Representative pointed out that two months back Pakistan and Afghanistan arrived at an understanding on a historic trade agreement. Afghanistan Government has already ratified it and Pakistan will hopefully do the same soon and with this vast trade opportunities upto Central Asia would open up for Pakistan. He clarified that India was not included in the trade arrangement because of Pakistani concerns.
      Replying to a question about the US position on situation in Occupied Kashmir, Richard Holbrooke said the United States would encourage dialogue and increased mutual understanding between Pakistan and India.
      Asked to comment on remarks attributed to him by a section of the press that Government of Pakistan was on board on the issue of drone attacks, Mr. Holbrooke said he was misquoted. He, however, pointed out that we face a common threat from the militants in the border region who are killings Americans in Afghanistan and also people in Pakistan. They are also trying to provoke conflict between Pakistan and India and thus present a threat to the region and beyond. He said we cannot afford to ignore this threat.
      Referring to the flood situation in Pakistan, the US Special Envoy said Washington is leading in the relief phase and it would continue to lead in the early recovery phase as well. He said the United States immediately responded to the unfolding tragedy in Pakistan and moved helicopters from Afghanistan and currently 30 helicopters are engaged in relief activities. He said the United States is providing aid worth 300 million dollars to help tackle the flood situation in Pakistan.
      Mr. Holbrooke said a decision has been taken to divert amount from 7.5 billion dollar Kerry-Lugar programme to help Pakistan meet the emergent situation created by the devastating floods. Already, the United States has directed 50 million dollars from this programme for the purpose.
      Richard Holbrooke said he has interacted with the Pakistani leadership to discuss how the US can help address the situation in subsequent phases.
      The US Special Envoy said the magnitude of the calamity in Pakistan is hundred times bigger than Katrina in the United States a few years back and it will require investment worth billions of dollars to recoup. He said the United States and other members of the international community would surely provide help in reconstruction phase as well but bulk of the job would have to be undertaken by Pakistan itself. It will have to find ways to raise more revenues to support its needs.
      Mr. Holbrooke said he visited numerous refugee camps during the last forty years but he was struck by the resilience of the affected people in the face of floods of unprecedented magnitude. In this context, he also referred to the vital role that Radio Pakistan was playing in this hour of trial and said Radio is most effective means of communication and news in the country. That is why he always interacts with Radio Pakistan during his trips to Pakistan.
      He pointed out that a special ministerial level session is being held in New York to be co-chaired by UN Secretary-General and Pakistan Foreign Minister to take stock of the latest flood situation and aid requirements. US Secretary of State Hillary Clinton would also attend the session.
      Asked whether the United States would support a reconstruction programme like Marshall Plan, he said the US economy constituted 50% of the global GDP when such Plan for Europe was launched but now it is 22% of the world's GDP. He, however, said Pakistan has two real friends China and the United States and both want to help it in different ways.
      When his attention was drawn to large-scale damages to infrastructure in Swat by floods, he held out an assurance that the United States will not forget people of Swat who rendered tremendous sacrifices in the context of war on terror. The United States would support programmes and plans of Pakistan Government for reconstruction of Swat.
      About construction of water reservoirs, Richard Holbrooke said Pakistan definitely needs dams to conserve water and check floods in view of the climatic change but it is for its Government to decide where these are to be built.
      To a question he admitted that previously reimbursement of the expenses to Pakistan under Coalition Support Fund was slow but added that the process has been expedited. He said this is the money that the United States owes to Pakistan and this year it has reimbursed over one billion dollars.
      It's enough that I know, Our time had a home, In your heart..Was a place..But the glass always breaks..

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      • #4
        Talal, you are very simple-mind to misinterpret Karzai gestures to Pakistan i.e., he is exposing Pakistan's links with extremists/Al-Queda. Karzai is very smart. He did the same when he lured Gen Shuja Pasha and Kiyani into bringing Siraj Haqqani for meeting with him.

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        • #5
          Pakistan and karzai government are to parts of the same cancer that needs to be removed.
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          • #6
            @ Toramana

            I have exactly the same view. The Lotus eaters of the GT road lack governance and statecraft skills and resort to malicious means to have a say in the affairs of the south asia. They do not realise the fact that if a thief breaks into someone's house with the help of a neighbour and starts claiming the ownership of the house then a wise house owner has to say in a Jirga that he needs to talk to his neighbour instead of the thief to expose the real culprit.

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            • #7
              @Tormana .. Indeed I am a simpleton

              @Muhsina .. That was a very profound example
              It's enough that I know, Our time had a home, In your heart..Was a place..But the glass always breaks..

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              • #8
                Let me get this right... Karzia speak Pashto, and assumingly the Taliban also speak pashto... so WTF we need a Punjabi to interpret between the two?

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                • #9
                  Or may be Parsiwana, Karzai thinks they don't speak Pashtu? Any way, Karzai is doing a good job.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Toramana View Post
                    Talal, you are very simple-mind to misinterpret Karzai gestures to Pakistan i.e., he is exposing Pakistan's links with extremists/Al-Queda. Karzai is very smart. He did the same when he lured Gen Shuja Pasha and Kiyani into bringing Siraj Haqqani for meeting with him.
                    You are giving Karzai too much credit. What exposing are you talking about? The whole world, and other life forms in our galaxy knows that Pakistan has links with the Taliban, extremists, Jihadis, Al-Qeada and what not. Mohammad Atta, one of the hijackers of Sep.11 received money from a Pakistani general, soon replaced by Musharaf. Pakistani ISI trained by CIA, trained Taliban and the Mujahideen. During the 1996 trip to Washington, Taliban were accompanied by Pakistani diplomats. So what exposing are you talking about? Everyone knows, everyone, even the buried dead.

                    Karzai is saving his ass, his regime, his power, his hegemony, his clan, his family rule over the politics of Afghanistan. It is history repeating itself all over again. Afghan leader making deals with the devil to save his own throne. Yet another baba sells his people. Excuses for this future 21st century BABA: He was under stress, He was tricked, He was drunk, He didn't know what to do. It's not his signature on the documents. Same old, same old.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Wrayun View Post
                      You are giving Karzai too much credit. What exposing are you talking about? The whole world, and other life forms in our galaxy knows that Pakistan has links with the Taliban, extremists, Jihadis, Al-Qeada and what not. Mohammad Atta, one of the hijackers of Sep.11 received money from a Pakistani general, soon replaced by Musharaf. Pakistani ISI trained by CIA, trained Taliban and the Mujahideen. During the 1996 trip to Washington, Taliban were accompanied by Pakistani diplomats. So what exposing are you talking about? Everyone knows, everyone, even the buried dead.

                      Karzai is saving his ass, his regime, his power, his hegemony, his clan, his family rule over the politics of Afghanistan. It is history repeating itself all over again. Afghan leader making deals with the devil to save his own throne. Yet another baba sells his people. Excuses for this future 21st century BABA: He was under stress, He was tricked, He was drunk, He didn't know what to do. It's not his signature on the documents. Same old, same old.
                      Are you another Punjabi apologist in the PF?

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by khyaal View Post
                        Are you another Punjabi apologist in the PF?
                        Are you yet another ungrateful Paki Pukhtoon who lived off Pakistani infrastructure, institutions, government provided facilities but don't waste a slight chance bashing the Pakistani state and the flour, rice, grain providing Punjabis?


                        The answer to your question, is no. Far from it.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Wrayun View Post
                          Are you yet another ungrateful Paki Pukhtoon who lived off Pakistani infrastructure, institutions, government provided facilities but don't waste a slight chance bashing the Pakistani state and the flour, rice, grain providing Punjabis?


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                          OK. I correct it, you are a Paki apologist.

                          BTW, from which sources Pakistan arranges to provide me all this infrastructure, institutions and facilities? Please keep in mind that Pakistan is just a name for the present (fake)arrangement between Sindhi, Seraiki, Baloch, Punjabi, Pakhtun nations. Pakistan doesn't have any inherited or indigenous land or resource, we live upon our own historic land.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by khyaal View Post
                            OK. I correct it, you are a Paki apologist.
                            You answered your own question, how is that correct? I'm not a Paki apologist, I'm a realist. You didn't like what I had to say about Karzai? tough luck. I'm not the one making deals with Islamabad, he is.

                            BTW, from which sources Pakistan arranges to provide me all this infrastructure, institutions and facilities? Please keep in mind that Pakistan is just a name for the present (fake)arrangement between Sindhi, Seraiki, Baloch, Punjabi, Pakhtun nations. Pakistan doesn't have any inherited or indigenous land or resource, we live upon our own historic land.
                            Plz.... even I who sits in the West, and criticize it, realize the resources, infrastructure, institutions and facilities it makes available for me. The difference between you and me is that I am not a bigoted conspiracy theorist (although its very tempting). Everything, from running water, to the roads, security, courts, schools, hospitals, media, the internet, all is provided to you by the state of Pakistan. Even the very currency you use to make day to day transactions.

                            And just because you call it fake, doesn't make it so. This little stubborn state, no matter how fail and to what epic proportion, manages to control hold its own in the international scene. You been playing Nostradamus far too long, your predictions have yet to come true. Get down to earth and experience reality for once. It is not wise to undermine your foes, it leaves you vulnerable.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Wrayun View Post
                              You answered your own question, how is that correct? I'm not a Paki apologist, I'm a realist. You didn't like what I had to say about Karzai? tough luck. I'm not the one making deals with Islamabad, he is.
                              We know the intentions behind Karzai bashing when it comes from a Paki.

                              Since Afghanistan is a far greater threat for Pakistan even greater than India because Pakistan occupies half of Afghan land (which is not the case with vis a vis India) and incurably refuses to give Pakhtuns their due rights that is the reason for Pakistan's constant interference in Afghanistan since Pakistan's creation by the British, and this is the reason for so many proxies in every Pashtun(afghan)forums to create confusion and despair among afghans.


                              Plz.... even I who sits in the West, and criticize it, realize the resources, infrastructure, institutions and facilities it makes available for me. The difference between you and me is that I am not a bigoted conspiracy theorist (although its very tempting). Everything, from running water, to the roads, security, courts, schools, hospitals, media, the internet, all is provided to you by the state of Pakistan. Even the very currency you use to make day to day transactions.
                              In the West you might just be an immigrant or a settler but here on this land we have lived for thousands of years and this land of Pashtuns and its resources belong to us, then how I should be grateful to Pakistan for this, instead it should be Pakis to be grateful to Pashtun since Pakistan has usurped our resources and ruthlessly using it for the prosperity of Punjab.

                              And just because you call it fake, doesn't make it so. This little stubborn state, no matter how fail and to what epic proportion, manages to control hold its own in the international scene. You been playing Nostradamus far too long, your predictions have yet to come true. Get down to earth and experience reality for once. It is not wise to undermine your foes, it leaves you vulnerable.
                              No, you are too forgetful. It got divided once in 1971 and now on the verge of collapse due to its inherent contradcitions and inconsistencies.
                              Last edited by khyaal; 09-19-2010, 01:07 AM.

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