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    The infection plague of Afghan violence spread into the once peaceful nation of Pakistan, Afghanis always want to blame every other country in the region for it's own faults of not being able to tolerate one another. The only way uncivilazed afghanis can be united is under an oppressive regime because the hatred between various ethnic groups is so deep.
    Generally speaking, Pashtuns hate Tajiks and Tajiks return the sentiment. Both look down on the Hazaras, though Tajiks have historically formed alliances of convenience with Hazaras and Uzbeks to match the strength of the Pashtuns. The Uzbeks don't have enough numbers to impose any will on anyone alone.
    Hazaras hold 10 percent of the population. Their ancestry goes back to the days when Genghis Khan invaded and controlled the country. They are mostly a poor, agrarian people who occupy an area in central Afghanistan.
    Uzbeks make up less than 10 percent of Afghans with the rest made up of smaller tribes such as Turkmen, Baluchi, Kyrgyz, Qizilbash, Kazakhs, Aimaq, Wakhis, Sikhs, Nuristanis and others.
    It is unknown exactly why the Pashtuns (and to a lesser extent the Tajiks) look at Hazaras as second-class citizens. Some theorize it is retaliation for the brutality Genghis Khan showed the people of Afghanistan during his control of the country. Others believe the intermixing of Mongol blood with that of other tribes is the root of the racism.
    But the real reason Pashtuns and Tajiks look down on Hazaras may have its roots in religion.
    Pashtuns and Tajiks are primarily Sunni Muslims. In fact, both are predominantly of the same Hanafi sect of Sunni. Hazaras, on the other hand, are Shiite Muslims.
    But unlike other Muslim countries, the infighting in Afghanistan is rarely along religious lines such as we see in Iraq. The more critical factor seems to come down to tribe or race.
    It was the disunity of the country that created the environment for the Taliban to come into power.
    The racial scars were deepened during the rule of the Taliban, members of which were mostly Pashtun and Tajik. The Taliban devastated entire villages of Hazaras. There are heartbreaking stories of Taliban brutality of Hazaras that are recounted among the people here to this day.
    This fragmentation of Afghanistan prevents any sort of real unity from taking hold. Such nationalism will be vital for this young and some say fragile government. But if you ask many of the people today whether they are "Afghan" most Pashtuns will take on that label while Tajiks and Hazaras are more reluctant and more likely point to their tribe first, seeing "Afghan" as a Pashtun word.

    The country's leader may be Pashtun, but it is Ahmed Shah Massoud, a Tajik, who is its national hero and most believe would have been the country's new leader after the Taliban. Massoud was the commander of the mujihadeen freedom fighters who drove out the Soviets and enjoyed numerous military victories against the Taliban. His murder by agents of Osama bin Laden two days before the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks on the World Trade Center and Pentagon only helped cement his place in the hearts of Afghans. Billboards and placards bear his image all over the country, and he is talked about in the hallowed tones we once used for our own Founding Fathers.
    The Afghan National Army and Afghan National Police are a big part of today's desegregation plan of this country. The ANA has made it a point to mix its units for the past five years, and the ANP has followed suit. However, in an effort to retain and recruit soldiers, the ANA is allowing them to re-enlist or enlist into units closer to their home village. Some fear this will lead to segregation within its ranks again because villages themselves remain segregated throughout the country.
    The ANP has mixed police of different tribes for some time now, with mostly successful results. There are still instances where a Hazara chief will be slandered in the community by his Pashtun subordinates to the point of making him ineffective at his job. There are cases of a mostly Tajik police force setting up in a police district center in a Pashtun neighborhood and not getting any sort of support from the locals.
    I recently met an Afghan man, a war hero who has fought the Taliban countless times and today works as a police chief trying to create the Afghanistan he envisions.
    He derided his fellow Pashtuns for holding on to their backward ways (his word, not mine). He said if you go to the universities in Kabul today, you will find a large number of Hazaras there -- learning, growing, enlightening, progressing.
    "We will wake up one day and find the Hazaras are in control of this country, and maybe they should be," he said, speaking of the idea as something he hopes for rather than fears. "They are the ones showing the real desire to move forward while the Pashtuns want to cling to the old ways and go backward."


    Just a visit to youtube will show the hatred all these Afghani groups have for each other especialy Pashtuns. I'd post some but they are mostly X Rated

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    Originally posted by Pakistani4life View Post
    The infection plague of Afghan violence spread into the once peaceful nation of Pakistan, Afghanis always want to blame every other country in the region for it's own faults of not being able to tolerate one another. The only way uncivilazed afghanis can be united is under an oppressive regime because the hatred between various ethnic groups is so deep.
    Generally speaking, Pashtuns hate Tajiks and Tajiks return the sentiment. Both look down on the Hazaras, though Tajiks have historically formed alliances of convenience with Hazaras and Uzbeks to match the strength of the Pashtuns. The Uzbeks don't have enough numbers to impose any will on anyone alone.
    Hazaras hold 10 percent of the population. Their ancestry goes back to the days when Genghis Khan invaded and controlled the country. They are mostly a poor, agrarian people who occupy an area in central Afghanistan.
    Uzbeks make up less than 10 percent of Afghans with the rest made up of smaller tribes such as Turkmen, Baluchi, Kyrgyz, Qizilbash, Kazakhs, Aimaq, Wakhis, Sikhs, Nuristanis and others.
    It is unknown exactly why the Pashtuns (and to a lesser extent the Tajiks) look at Hazaras as second-class citizens. Some theorize it is retaliation for the brutality Genghis Khan showed the people of Afghanistan during his control of the country. Others believe the intermixing of Mongol blood with that of other tribes is the root of the racism.
    But the real reason Pashtuns and Tajiks look down on Hazaras may have its roots in religion.
    Pashtuns and Tajiks are primarily Sunni Muslims. In fact, both are predominantly of the same Hanafi sect of Sunni. Hazaras, on the other hand, are Shiite Muslims.
    But unlike other Muslim countries, the infighting in Afghanistan is rarely along religious lines such as we see in Iraq. The more critical factor seems to come down to tribe or race.
    It was the disunity of the country that created the environment for the Taliban to come into power.
    The racial scars were deepened during the rule of the Taliban, members of which were mostly Pashtun and Tajik. The Taliban devastated entire villages of Hazaras. There are heartbreaking stories of Taliban brutality of Hazaras that are recounted among the people here to this day.
    This fragmentation of Afghanistan prevents any sort of real unity from taking hold. Such nationalism will be vital for this young and some say fragile government. But if you ask many of the people today whether they are "Afghan" most Pashtuns will take on that label while Tajiks and Hazaras are more reluctant and more likely point to their tribe first, seeing "Afghan" as a Pashtun word.

    The country's leader may be Pashtun, but it is Ahmed Shah Massoud, a Tajik, who is its national hero and most believe would have been the country's new leader after the Taliban. Massoud was the commander of the mujihadeen freedom fighters who drove out the Soviets and enjoyed numerous military victories against the Taliban. His murder by agents of Osama bin Laden two days before the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks on the World Trade Center and Pentagon only helped cement his place in the hearts of Afghans. Billboards and placards bear his image all over the country, and he is talked about in the hallowed tones we once used for our own Founding Fathers.
    The Afghan National Army and Afghan National Police are a big part of today's desegregation plan of this country. The ANA has made it a point to mix its units for the past five years, and the ANP has followed suit. However, in an effort to retain and recruit soldiers, the ANA is allowing them to re-enlist or enlist into units closer to their home village. Some fear this will lead to segregation within its ranks again because villages themselves remain segregated throughout the country.
    The ANP has mixed police of different tribes for some time now, with mostly successful results. There are still instances where a Hazara chief will be slandered in the community by his Pashtun subordinates to the point of making him ineffective at his job. There are cases of a mostly Tajik police force setting up in a police district center in a Pashtun neighborhood and not getting any sort of support from the locals.
    I recently met an Afghan man, a war hero who has fought the Taliban countless times and today works as a police chief trying to create the Afghanistan he envisions.
    He derided his fellow Pashtuns for holding on to their backward ways (his word, not mine). He said if you go to the universities in Kabul today, you will find a large number of Hazaras there -- learning, growing, enlightening, progressing.
    "We will wake up one day and find the Hazaras are in control of this country, and maybe they should be," he said, speaking of the idea as something he hopes for rather than fears. "They are the ones showing the real desire to move forward while the Pashtuns want to cling to the old ways and go backward."


    Just a visit to youtube will show the hatred all these Afghani groups have for each other especialy Pashtuns. I'd post some but they are mostly X Rated
    So hearsay political evidence, no real sources, your own opinion and others you supposedly talked to. We should take you seriously...lolzz wow
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    • #3
      Afghans arent the only people who blames pakistan, most people blame pakistan.

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      • #4
        LOL, comes from someone who blames India, Afghanistan, USA, and other gazillion nations for floods in their country.

        Anyway, welcome back.
        Gar Jahanum Sakhtam Ferdaws Ham Mesazamat

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        • #5
          I have heard that Pakistan even blame the taliban for the flood.

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          • #6
            the fact is that we have alot of violence. all the violence we have is imported or imposed upon us. the countries which imposed the violence upon us are suffering badly, look at russia explosions are occuring on daily bases. the USA is financially suffering, all the neighbouring countries are buring in the fire they have lit. before pointing fingers on us one should think where this all started?

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            • #7
              @Sheenkay
              No joke, they had this article that Afghanistan and India on USA's (and possible also Israel's, LOL) request built (or moved or something) the dams in their country in a way it all flows into Pakistan.
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              • #8
                Salam Pakistani4life bhai. Aik second. Mu mein paan hai. *pathuyeee*. Yeah, okay, let's go.


                Originally posted by Pakistani4life View Post
                The infection plague of Afghan violence spread into the once peaceful nation of Pakistan,
                Yeah, ever since Pakistan started accepting American dollars for sending terrorists into Afghanistan since the mid 70s, there hasn't been any peace. Today, the punjab da puttarz are paying with their blood for that misguided policy. More than 5,000 have done so already.

                Originally posted by Pakistani4life View Post
                Afghanis always want to blame every other country in the region for it's own faults of not being able to tolerate one another. The only way uncivilazed afghanis can be united is under an oppressive regime because the hatred between various ethnic groups is so deep.
                lol are you serious?

                - CIA is sending agents into Pakistan to destabilize it so that they can steal our nuclear weaponry.

                - The Air Blue plane was hijacked by Mossad agents who wanted to fly it into Kahuta Labs but the patriotic pilot crashed the plane deliberately.

                - All the bombings inside Pakistan are carried out by Mossad/CIA/Raw.

                - India is building barrages in Kashmir and that's why we have a wheat shortage.

                - Ahmedis control everything.

                - Pashtun nationalists are paid by the KGB.

                - India is creating an insurgency in Balochistan.

                - RAW is behind the FATA insurgency.

                - Israel wants to defang (de-nuke) Pakistan and everything that's going on in our country is because of them.

                - Ummat Newspaper reported that the recent floods happened due to American and Israeli electromagnetic technology. I'm not making this stuff up, I swear.

                - Pakistan is so backwards because of Radcliffe, Mountbatten and the boundary commission!

                - Mossad and CIA deliberately keep us illiterate.

                - IMF is ruining our economy.

                - RAW agents are framing our cricket team.

                - Benazir was killed by the CIA.



                And hasn't Pakistan been under the heel of military boots for half its existence? Isn't the pot calling the kettle black here?


                Originally posted by Pakistani4life View Post
                Generally speaking, Pashtuns hate Tajiks and Tajiks return the sentiment. Both look down on the Hazaras, though Tajiks have historically formed alliances of convenience with Hazaras and Uzbeks to match the strength of the Pashtuns. The Uzbeks don't have enough numbers to impose any will on anyone alone.
                Hazaras hold 10 percent of the population. Their ancestry goes back to the days when Genghis Khan invaded and controlled the country. They are mostly a poor, agrarian people who occupy an area in central Afghanistan.
                Uzbeks make up less than 10 percent of Afghans with the rest made up of smaller tribes such as Turkmen, Baluchi, Kyrgyz, Qizilbash, Kazakhs, Aimaq, Wakhis, Sikhs, Nuristanis and others.
                It is unknown exactly why the Pashtuns (and to a lesser extent the Tajiks) look at Hazaras as second-class citizens. Some theorize it is retaliation for the brutality Genghis Khan showed the people of Afghanistan during his control of the country. Others believe the intermixing of Mongol blood with that of other tribes is the root of the racism.
                Pashtuns are treated as second-class janglis in Pakistan. In Karachi, they're killed everyday. Yesterday, they burned down an ANP office. In Punjab, they're picked up by the police and tortured. The provinces vote for their areas to be bombed and when the refugees leave towards the urban areas, they're stopped by force. Remember the Swat IDP fiasco? In Sindh, the MQM and JSQM burned down the IDP camps. The PML N said that they don't want any Pashtun refugees in Punjab.

                A Pashtun is nothing more than a bewakuf chowkidaar or driver in the eyes of many Pakistanis. They can't stand to see an educated Pashtun. Their jealousy is sometimes so obvious, it's shameful. That's because Pashtuns are Afghans and they cannot live in a state with Indian people with their Indian culture and way of life. The Pashtun experiment with you Indian people has failed miserably. We cannot integrate with Indians and Indians cannot integrate with us.


                Originally posted by Pakistani4life View Post
                But the real reason Pashtuns and Tajiks look down on Hazaras may have its roots in religion.
                Pashtuns and Tajiks are primarily Sunni Muslims. In fact, both are predominantly of the same Hanafi sect of Sunni. Hazaras, on the other hand, are Shiite Muslims.
                But unlike other Muslim countries, the infighting in Afghanistan is rarely along religious lines such as we see in Iraq. The more critical factor seems to come down to tribe or race.
                It was the disunity of the country that created the environment for the Taliban to come into power.
                The racial scars were deepened during the rule of the Taliban, members of which were mostly Pashtun and Tajik. The Taliban devastated entire villages of Hazaras. There are heartbreaking stories of Taliban brutality of Hazaras that are recounted among the people here to this day.
                This fragmentation of Afghanistan prevents any sort of real unity from taking hold. Such nationalism will be vital for this young and some say fragile government. But if you ask many of the people today whether they are "Afghan" most Pashtuns will take on that label while Tajiks and Hazaras are more reluctant and more likely point to their tribe first, seeing "Afghan" as a Pashtun word.
                Pakistan is the global hub of sectarianism. How many attacks did Pakistan see on Yaum-e-Ali this year only? How many were reported in Afghanistan again?

                Originally posted by Pakistani4life View Post
                The country's leader may be Pashtun, but it is Ahmed Shah Massoud, a Tajik, who is its national hero and most believe would have been the country's new leader after the Taliban. Massoud was the commander of the mujihadeen freedom fighters who drove out the Soviets and enjoyed numerous military victories against the Taliban. His murder by agents of Osama bin Laden two days before the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks on the World Trade Center and Pentagon only helped cement his place in the hearts of Afghans. Billboards and placards bear his image all over the country, and he is talked about in the hallowed tones we once used for our own Founding Fathers.
                The Afghan National Army and Afghan National Police are a big part of today's desegregation plan of this country. The ANA has made it a point to mix its units for the past five years, and the ANP has followed suit. However, in an effort to retain and recruit soldiers, the ANA is allowing them to re-enlist or enlist into units closer to their home village. Some fear this will lead to segregation within its ranks again because villages themselves remain segregated throughout the country.
                The ANP has mixed police of different tribes for some time now, with mostly successful results. There are still instances where a Hazara chief will be slandered in the community by his Pashtun subordinates to the point of making him ineffective at his job. There are cases of a mostly Tajik police force setting up in a police district center in a Pashtun neighborhood and not getting any sort of support from the locals.
                I recently met an Afghan man, a war hero who has fought the Taliban countless times and today works as a police chief trying to create the Afghanistan he envisions.
                He derided his fellow Pashtuns for holding on to their backward ways (his word, not mine). He said if you go to the universities in Kabul today, you will find a large number of Hazaras there -- learning, growing, enlightening, progressing.
                "We will wake up one day and find the Hazaras are in control of this country, and maybe they should be," he said, speaking of the idea as something he hopes for rather than fears. "They are the ones showing the real desire to move forward while the Pashtuns want to cling to the old ways and go backward."


                Just a visit to youtube will show the hatred all these Afghani groups have for each other especialy Pashtuns. I'd post some but they are mostly X Rated

                Pashtuns should neither accept Zardari nor Ahmed Shah Masoud. Pashtuns should ideally be ruled by their own leaders. Thanks for pointing that out.
                "If a nation expects to be ignorant and free, in a state of civilization, it expects what never was and never will be".

                "Knowledge will forever govern ignorance; and a people who mean to be their own governors must arm themselves with the power which knowledge gives".

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                • #9
                  ^So damn
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                  :fighting:

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                  • #10
                    Hmmm...Admin is v active nowadays
                    sesitive topic...oh
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                    • #11
                      The one who deleted my post knew....this is to condemn Afghniiis, v sesitive issue
                      condemning pakistan is always welcomed....plz khyal, BLS, Nadir Shah, Syesta and others commette, plz come n condemn pakistan more n more
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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Son of Mountains View Post
                        The one who deleted my post knew....this is to condemn Afghniiis, v sesitive issue
                        condemning pakistan is always welcomed....plz khyal, BLS, Nadir Shah, Syesta and others commette, plz come n condemn pakistan more n more
                        SOM you can condemn Afghans all you want, but it should be backed by something. I.e. Pashtun/Afghans are illiterate people, they are petty, we are tribal people, we don't even spare our cousins and brothers in feuds. See we have shortcomings, we fought somebody else's war for 30 years. We are suffering for our ignorance and disunity. We have a population amongst us who are more loyal to the king than the King himself.

                        ^^No one here shies away from pointing out our inherent flaws but reactionary garbage that the person who started the topic doesn't count. By all means, condemn things if you can back it up. If not, it is either a little pointless or a day late and a dollar short.
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                        • #13
                          ^ ur correction plz
                          Pashtun is pashtun and afghani is afghani
                          plz dont intermingel the concepts
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                          • #14
                            Your post is right here. What in the world are you talking about SOM? There are two threads with the same title. 1 is strictly for a rebuttal. The other(this one) is for a discussion like yours.

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                            A line[Durrand line] of hatred that raised a wall between the two brothers -Hamid Karzai

                            For generations, the Hindus of India prayed for deliverance from "the venom of the cobra, the teeth of the tiger and the vengeance of the Afghan."


                            The men of Kábul and Khilj also went home; and whenever they were questioned about the Musulmáns of the Kohistán (the mountains), and how matters stood there, they said, "Don't call it Kohistán, but Afghánistán; for there is nothing there but Afgháns and disturbances." Thus it is clear that for this reason the people of the country call their home in their own language Afghánistán, and themselves Afgháns. The people of India call them Patán; but the reason for this is not known. But it occurs to me, that when, under the rule of Muhammadan sovereigns, Musulmáns first came to the city of Patná, and dwelt there, the people of India (for that reason) called them Patáns—but God knows!

                            -Ferishta, 1560–1620

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Son of Mountains View Post
                              ^ ur correction plz
                              Pashtun is pashtun and afghani is afghani
                              plz dont intermingel the concepts
                              You are right Pashtun is a Pakhtun is an Afghan. Afghani is the currency. Thanks for keeping me up to date :-).
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