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    PESHAWAR: Who gets the largest piece of pie and just how big the pie should be will be on top of the agenda when the Council of Common Interests (CCI) meets in Islamabad on Friday as suspicions abound that some provinces may be inflating their figures to gain the maximum out of the devastating floods that have hit Pakistan.

    Officials say the Khyber Pakhtunkhwa government would be making its case based on statistics to prove that figures submitted by the governments of Punjab and Sindh do not really tally and are contradictory in terms.

    The KP says that it has provided more than 400,000 tons of relief goods to a total of 4.3 million affected by the floods and that the quantity of these goods, including food items and non-food items, healthcare material, etc., is on higher side compared to those given by the governments of Punjab and Sindh.

    Punjab puts the number of flood-affected people in the province at 8.2 million, whereas the quantity of relief goods it has distributed, including non-food items and food items, officials here say, was not more than 300,000 to 400,000 tons. “The figures just don’t tally,” one official said.

    Sindh on the other hand has claimed that a total of 1.4 million houses have been affected by the floods in the province. This sharply contrasts with the latest UN figures and those announced by Prime Minister Yousuf Raza Gilani on Wednesday which put the total number of houses damaged or destroyed in the entire country at 1.2 million.

    A senior official from Sindh during a presentation to President Asif Zardari in Islamabad recently repeated the assertion although, officials here say, even if Sindh’s figures are accepted at face value and the average size of a family in Pakistan (which is 7, according to the UN) is factored in, the total number of the flood-affected in that province alone would come to roughly 9.8 million.

    Add Sindh’s figures to Punjab’s 8.2 million flood-affected population, the total number of the affectees in the two provinces comes to 18 million, far more than the UN-acknowledged figure of 17 million for the whole county, including Gilgit-Baltistan and Azad Kashmir.

    “It does not make any sense,” the official here said.

    Quite ironically however and in sharp contrast to its own figures of the houses damaged by floods, Sindh has put the number of flood-affected people in the province at 3.7 million. The UN has put the total number of houses damaged or destroyed in Sindh at 470,910 only.

    If Sindh’s figures are to be accepted as true, the average size of a family comes to around 3 persons. But if Sindh’s figures are to be calculated on the UN estimates, the average size of a family in that province comes to about 7 persons.

    Officials here worry that Sindh because of its political influence and Punjab because of its great sway within the federal bureaucracy and amongst the technocrats would get away with more than their due share in the international assistance. “We stand nowhere,” the official said.

    One example of just how lopsided the federal government’s response to the national catastrophe has been could be discerned from the number of relief dispatches to Multan – the home district of Prime Minister Yousuf Raza Gilani.

    According to documents available with Dawn, the National Disaster Management Authority made a total of 117 dispatches to Multan between July 30 and August 30. This is against a total of 75 dispatches to the entire Khyber Pakhtunkhwa province for the same period. “This creates doubts,” another official said, adding “there is no transparency there.”

    Not only do the provinces want access to all information about the arrival and disbursement of relief assistance, they also want the distribution of international monetary assistance in a transparent and balanced manner, indicating mistrust among themselves but also towards the federal government.

    Khyber Pakhtunkhwa maintains that the nature of damage caused by floods in the province is different from Punjab and Sindh. In KP, it’s the infrastructure in the northern mountainous region that has been severely damaged, compared with Punjab and Sindh where agriculture and livestock in the plains have suffered the major damage.

    As a senior official put it, KP is likely to be left to lick its own wounds as other provinces with more political and bureaucratic clout try to get the lion’s share of international assistance.

    A pat on the back for good performance in the repatriation of Swat IDPs and the floods does not mean that the federal government should limit its support to KP, the official said, warning of fallout from further neglect of the people battered by militancy and the natural calamity.

    Officials say diversity rather than uniformity should be the key in the reconstruction phase and that KP would raise the issue at the CCI to ask for more freedom of action for the provinces than a centralised, uniformed control.

    http://www.dawn.com/wps/wcm/connect/...b%2C-sindh-290
    "O Pakhtuns!, Your house has fallen into ruin, let us rebuild it".
    "I want to see my people educated and enlightened. A people with a vision and a strong sense of justice, who can carve out a future for themselves in harmony with nature".

  • #2
    .....and so the salting of sore wounds of Pashtuns continue...
    "O Pakhtuns!, Your house has fallen into ruin, let us rebuild it".
    "I want to see my people educated and enlightened. A people with a vision and a strong sense of justice, who can carve out a future for themselves in harmony with nature".

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    • #3
      Gulalai,
      This statement speaks louder than practically anything.
      According to documents available with Dawn, the National Disaster Management Authority made a total of 117 dispatches to Multan between July 30 and August 30. This is against a total of 75 dispatches to the entire Khyber Pakhtunkhwa province for the same period. “This creates doubts,” another official said, adding “there is no transparency there.”
      Seriously? Are we Pashtuns not humans? Yet Pashtuns want to sing Jeevay Punjab?
      Even Adobe Photoshop can't change me.

      A line[Durrand line] of hatred that raised a wall between the two brothers -Hamid Karzai

      For generations, the Hindus of India prayed for deliverance from "the venom of the cobra, the teeth of the tiger and the vengeance of the Afghan."


      The men of Kábul and Khilj also went home; and whenever they were questioned about the Musulmáns of the Kohistán (the mountains), and how matters stood there, they said, "Don't call it Kohistán, but Afghánistán; for there is nothing there but Afgháns and disturbances." Thus it is clear that for this reason the people of the country call their home in their own language Afghánistán, and themselves Afgháns. The people of India call them Patán; but the reason for this is not known. But it occurs to me, that when, under the rule of Muhammadan sovereigns, Musulmáns first came to the city of Patná, and dwelt there, the people of India (for that reason) called them Patáns—but God knows!

      -Ferishta, 1560–1620

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      • #4
        Originally posted by Admin Khan View Post
        Seriously? Are we Pashtuns not humans?

        Admin Khan,


        Originally posted by Admin Khan View Post
        Yet Pashtuns want to sing Jeevay Punjab?

        The patriotic Pakistani Pashtuns of Khyber-Pakhtunkhwa say that while they accept that their politicians are corrupt, the ideology of Pakistan is still sound and they're proud of their Islamic bum nuklear mizziles islami qila F16-soola tiraya. They put their case forth more elegantly but this is essentially what they're always saying.
        "If a nation expects to be ignorant and free, in a state of civilization, it expects what never was and never will be".

        "Knowledge will forever govern ignorance; and a people who mean to be their own governors must arm themselves with the power which knowledge gives".

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        • #5
          Originally posted by Admin Khan View Post
          Gulalai,
          This statement speaks louder than practically anything.
          Seriously? Are we Pashtuns not humans? Yet Pashtuns want to sing Jeevay Punjab?
          Yea but we pushtoon yet to see our ghairati pashtoon leaders to fulfill their obligations for what they have been elected. No question arise of singing Jeevay Punjab but questions arise of the inefficiency of Pashtoons leadership regarding their reluctance to claiming of the provincial rights.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by Saeed Khan View Post
            Yea but we pushtoon yet to see our ghairati pashtoon leaders to fulfill their obligations for what they have been elected. No question arise of singing Jeevay Punjab but questions arise of the inefficiency of Pashtoons leadership regarding their reluctance to claiming of the provincial rights.
            Saeed khan for a certain case of autonomy to go forward or any bill it must pass 2/3rds in the national assembly. Now by pure politics and numbers, Sindhis, Panjabis and even Urdu speakers have more ground than we do. The best case example was the name change....God knows how much pakistan pakistan parties had to do to assure others for the name change to pass. Long story short, any party that wants to fight for Pashtuns right in this islaamii Qilaa has to stroke the ego of the bigger populations more than their own. If they don't then half of them should stop blaming the nationaliyaan or any party for that. Corruption yes, but fighting rights no. On one hand dalta zanree pakistan pasae zhaaree ao kor pashto har shae pakistan la paara ao bal tharf siyasii ddalo pasae khabarae. Either we accept the state of politics in Pakistan or we find an alternative route like the Baloch have.
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            • #7
              Originally posted by BLS_1919v2.0 View Post
              Saeed khan for a certain case of autonomy to go forward or any bill it must pass 2/3rds in the national assembly. Now by pure politics and numbers, Sindhis, Panjabis and even Urdu speakers have more ground than we do. The best case example was the name change....God knows how much pakistan pakistan parties had to do to assure others for the name change to pass. Long story short, any party that wants to fight for Pashtuns right in this islaamii Qilaa has to stroke the ego of the bigger populations more than their own. If they don't then half of them should stop blaming the nationaliyaan or any party for that. Corruption yes, but fighting rights no. On one hand dalta zanree pakistan pasae zhaaree ao kor pashto har shae pakistan la paara ao bal tharf siyasii ddalo pasae khabarae. Either we accept the state of politics in Pakistan or we find an alternative route like the Baloch have.
              Siashi dalo pase khabare kawan means your active participation in a democratic political system. It should not hurt you for that. By this way only you can bring maturity to the system. If citizens are not happy with the existing system, would lead them automatically to other options which would compel the state for amendment. For that reason, your guiding force being your leadership backed by public opinion.
              For your an alternative, your suggestion is not bad but your geographic location is unlucky.. so better make progress within the state by taking advantage of extended resources. da education mo ham dase haal de ao da agriculture ham.. awal ba zamonga ghroono ke ghdasee wone ao pamani kho kidalo aos kho hagha ham napaid shawee che export ye koo lol. ao pa tambako bande ba zamong economy based wee..lol... che de zamong da Army dall ba ham nashi pora kawe. lol.. hagha dalkhor taki pase ba ojade..lol..

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Saeed Khan View Post
                Siashi dalo pase khabare kawan means your active participation in a democratic political system. It should not hurt you for that. By this way only you can bring maturity to the system. If citizens are not happy with the existing system, would lead them automatically to other options which would compel the state for amendment. For that reason, your guiding force being your leadership backed by public opinion.
                For your an alternative, your suggestion is not bad but your geographic location is unlucky.. so better make progress within the state by taking advantage of extended resources. da education mo ham dase haal de ao da agriculture ham.. awal ba zamonga ghroono ke ghdasee wone ao pamani kho kidalo aos kho hagha ham napaid shawee che export ye koo lol. ao pa tambako bande ba zamong economy based wee..lol... che de zamong da Army dall ba ham nashi pora kawe. lol.. hagha dalkhor taki pase ba ojade..lol..

                That is the thing peera...within the political system, any ammendment of change for the smaller provinces have to be met with 2/3rds approval of the national assembly..which basically means others must gain more from any supposed measure that is to benefit the home province. So it is built-in disadvantage.

                Second of all, the education we have seen peera...considering that a lot of those institutions are destroyed every second day in Pashtunkhwa, and the mutaliye pakistan type history doesn't help does it? Geography was an impediment it can be a major advantage as well.
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                • #9
                  Originally posted by BLS_1919v2.0 View Post
                  That is the thing peera...within the political system, any ammendment of change for the smaller provinces have to be met with 2/3rds approval of the national assembly..which basically means others must gain more from any supposed measure that is to benefit the home province. So it is built-in disadvantage.

                  Second of all, the education we have seen peera...considering that a lot of those institutions are destroyed every second day in Pashtunkhwa, and the mutaliye pakistan type history doesn't help does it? Geography was an impediment it can be a major advantage as well.
                  Yea i agree, our educational infrastructure is severly damaged now. The school in which i studied had a modern building with good contemporary facilites now turned into a nomad tent camp. We have to voice against those acts which damage us. We have to compel our politicians to raise their voice to stop this mayhem. There are other options which should be used to counter the danger in this region. The persistence of built-in disadvantage would cause greater resentment which would endanger the federation at some point if not realized prior to that.
                  Anyhow still i doubt the geographic advantage being a landlock piece of more rocks and less mud. Dont you? Some of the predictions are quite simple to imagine but ground reality can shake it due to ill calculated measures.
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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Saeed Khan View Post
                    Yea i agree, our educational infrastructure is severly damaged now. The school in which i studied had a modern building with good contemporary facilites now turned into a nomad tent camp. We have to voice against those acts which damage us. We have to compel our politicians to raise their voice to stop this mayhem. There are other options which should be used to counter the danger in this region. The persistence of built-in disadvantage would cause greater resentment which would endanger the federation at some point if not recognized pior to that.
                    Anyhow still i doubt the geographic advantage being a landlock peace of more rocks and less mud. Dont you? Some of the predictions are quite simple to imagine but ground reality can shake it due to ill calculated measures.
                    You look at as mud, but the reality is we are the gateway to both central asia and South Asia...if anything our rocks are worth a lot. Consider it this way, thousands of years and invaders have been contesting our land. That speaks for itself...khalk pa muftha kae zamung zmakae tha na dee raghalee. Bala nu Pashtunkhwa ao Afghanistan kae dder zyaath wesaeel shta...in terms of minerals, it is quite rich. The strategic land alone has benefits to trade. These are backed by sources and history should tell you how strategic this land is...it is to borrow your word..a ground reality.

                    Resentment is already there, but what I am talking about is a reality about the system. This built in disadvantage has to be addressed, it will dictate any future political moves Pashtuns want to make within Pakistan (provided this state last).
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                    • #11
                      Anyways I feel that we are diverting from the key article. Sorry Gulalai if I did.

                      In regards to the article, I am highly doubtful Pashtunkhwa will get a fair shake, and I think the media is going to slam ANP for the whole flooding fiasco (if they haven't already).
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                      • #12
                        Above all, leaving some people who are opponents of ANP for God sake, and they can never appreciate any act of ANP, because they are too much biased and pre-decisive about ANP.
                        But we should appreciate that ANP is solely fighting against Kalabagh dam, otherwise Amir Muqam and others are supporitng it openly. Even Mian iftikhar stance after Gilani statement about Kalabagh dam was hearworthy. These biased peope have no courage to appreciate it. Again, how much and how loud ANP is speaking for the flood victims against federal government. Then how you people came to know that Punjab and sindh are presenting fake documents and figures, it was ANP who pointed out this that to secure the province rights. It was also ANP who arranged a donor conference and now USA, India, European union have assured them for separate aid in their next budget and they willl complete their project theirselves.
                        If ANP is so bad, did ANP destroyed schools in Swat (no single can be heard from such people for such acts of opponents). Who helped to get rid of Taliban in Pakhtunkhwa, is it not ANP sacrifices protecting the province and putting their lives in danger.
                        Khudai Rasool ta ogorae, lag de insaf na kar wkahlae, ao che ANP ke corruption wee, zaroor ba wayou, moong ba wayou, ao tol ba wayou, kho che har bad pa ANP wartapal shee, dassay musalmani moong na shoo manallay.
                        Za kho da de khalqo pa eeman na pohegam, che pa swat ke shcoolonna cha tabah kral, haghoee kho ye islami wroonra dee, ao de schoolono elzam pa ANP razee, che ANP schooloona na jorawee.

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                        • #13
                          Definitely not surprised.

                          This is exactly why *we* need to raise awareness of the situation in KP.

                          Making sure aid gets sent to Pakhtunkhwa is in our hands, Pakhtuns across the globe should at least donate what they can, and we should do encourage those around us to give as much as possible.

                          Otherwise Pakhtunkhwa's gonna be hung out to dry.

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