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[BehavedMaseed]

Pakistan may have tried to thwart Afghan talks: report

WASHINGTON: January's capture of top Taliban commander Abdul Ghani Baradar may have been a bid by Pakistani intelligence to thwart talks between the Taliban and the Afghan government, The New York Times said late Sunday.

Baradar was a top military strategist and trusted aide of the militia's shadowy leader, Mullah Mohammad Omar.

He was arrested in Pakistan's southern port city of Karachi reportedly in a secret raid by CIA and Pakistani agents, an operation that was described as a huge blow to the group.

Citing unnamed Pakistani officials, it said Pakistan's intelligence had set out to capture Baradar with the CIA's help as it wanted to end secret peace talks between Baradar and the Afghan government that excluded Pakistan, the Taliban's longtime backer.

In the weeks after Baradar's capture, Pakistani security officials detained up to 23 Taliban leaders, many of whom had been enjoying Islamabad's protection for years, the report said.

These developments resulted in the talks coming to an end.
The events surrounding Baradar's arrest have been the subject of debate inside military and intelligence circles for months, The Times said.
“We picked up Baradar and the others because they were trying to make a deal without us,” the paper quotes a Pakistani security official as saying.

“We protect the Taliban. They are dependent on us. We are not going to allow them to make a deal with Karzai and the Indians,” the official said, referring to Hamid Karzai, the Afghan President.

Some US officials say the Pakistanis may be trying to make themselves appear more influential, the report said.

“These are self-serving fairy tales,” The Times quotes one US official as saying on condition of anonymity.

“The people involved in the operation on the ground didn't know exactly who would be there when they themselves arrived. But it certainly became clear, to Pakistanis and Americans alike, who we'd gotten.”

But other US officials suspect the CIA may have been unwittingly used by the Pakistanis for the larger aims of slowing the pace of any peace talks, the report said. – AFP


http://www.dawn.com/wps/wcm/connect/...s-report-ss-01

[BLS_1919v2.0]

May have tried lolzz...dyuu Afghan watan tha tsa praekhodh..thar 20 kaala dagha lobae dee.

[BehavedMaseed]

Dear BLS

You got to admitt that Afghan Taliban can not roam so freely without Pakistan watching over them.

Kind Regards

[BLS_1919v2.0]

Peera I think you misunderstood. I said that this inst new, they have been playing this game for the past 20 years. It is funny how every headline dubs it as if its the discovery of the year lolz.

[شمله ور خراساني]

Wow! Those are some facts for you there! LOL

[Catya Sher]

There's a convincing article which claims that Mullah Baradar was IN FACT - guess what?
An American AGENT.
According to this account based on insider sources in the Pakistani enlightened community so to speak, he was recruited and planted into the Taliban ranks for the purpose of accumulating useful information to pass on to the CIA or some American agency.
THIS is why he was arrested, before he could do more.
That is also why the Pakistanis supposedly resisted letting Americans interrogate him.
I don't know if they since did relent.

If true, this version sets all these events in a much more accurate perspective.

Don't believe the NYT anyway on much to do with this part of the world - that's my longstanding policy.

Doubt their stories first or at least look further than the words. Question their possible motives in publishing a story at this or that particular juncture.

[BLS_1919v2.0]

There's a convincing article which claims that Mullah Baradar was IN FACT - guess what?
An American AGENT.
According to this account based on insider sources in the Pakistani enlightened community so to speak, he was recruited and planted into the Taliban ranks for the purpose of accumulating useful information to pass on to the CIA or some American agency.
THIS is why he was arrested, before he could do more.
That is also why the Pakistanis supposedly resisted letting Americans interrogate him.
I don't know if they since did relent.

If true, this version sets all these events in a much more accurate perspective.

Don't believe the NYT anyway on much to do with this part of the world - that's my longstanding policy.

Doubt their stories first or at least look further than the words. Question their possible motives in publishing a story at this or that particular juncture.

Catya first give us a link for this supposed insider info. Second of all, Baradar was not some run of the mill person, he was a right hand man of Mullah Umar...so I would really like to know how what you are saying is possible. This looks like the same stuff they said about gurkhas in swat and Mossad and RAW agents running the whole ttp lolzz.

[Catya Sher]

I can easily get the link for you.

I can almost feel the scoffing, already, though, due to widespread disbelief here of any Pakistani sources whatsoever.

I believe one has to pick and choose very carefully; there IS a barrage of
"disinformation" being issued.

So if you are really interested I will look it up a bit later for you.

[BLS_1919v2.0]

I can easily get the link for you.

I can almost feel the scoffing, already, though, due to widespread disbelief here of any Pakistani sources whatsoever.

I believe one has to pick and choose very carefully; there IS a barrage of
"disinformation" being issued.

So if you are really interested I will look it up a bit later for you.

No actually we ourselves post pakistani links as well. I just posted links from pakistani newspapers today. There is a difference between proper news and downright jokes. See we post American news sources as well, but you wont see us post Glenn beck or hannity, simply because we know what a joke of a source they would be. Same goes to Pakistan, there are good sources and then there are Ahmed Qureshi and Zaid Hamid types.

[Catya Sher]

The article came from an American site but is completely from its sources in high places in Pakistan. Published May 13, 2010, it was titled to tie in to the then current news item of the New York City Times Sq. escapade.

The introduction by the site's editor explains how the information came to him. I doubt the background details are of interest to readers here, so I edited out several paragraphs.

CIA “SPY GAMES” WITH TALIBAN CITED AS SOURCE OF “TIME SQUARE FIZZLER”
“SMOKING GUN” SHOWING CIA COMPLICITY OFFERED

By Unattributed Intelligence Sources for Veterans Today
Foreword by Gordon Duff:

"...[The document below beginning at 'Beep'] comes from Pakistan and bears the seal of approval of, well, I know where it comes from. How it is taken and what is done is another story. I have been assured that witnesses, recordings and such exist. I recognize the methodologies used and attributed to American intelligence agencies. I also see the untold hand of India and Israel, names not included for reason of, frankly, survival.

The reader can see truth if it is there or, as so often is the case, see truth but feel overwhelmed and helpless, knowing that America can be duplicitous and that nothing is as it seems. You are going to be told that the CIA is responsible for the Time Square bombing.

Many suspected it: the CIA or the CIA with their constant companions in idiocy, the Israeli Mossad, a name that no official in Pakistan will mention to their paymasters in Washington for fear of offense.

No mention of a 65 billion dollar per year drug trade is made either but I strongly suggest that, where appropriate, a texture, a backdrop be constructed that includes mercenary contractors, Mossad and RAW agents and a sea of drug cash. The story itself is simple, a tale of betrayal....
What is clear, or should be, is that what is done, what has been done did not serve the security of the United States. Another agenda was there. Security services that Americans pay tens, even hundreds of billions of dollars per year to be protected by have, for decades, often answered to a different call, one related to power, criminalism and deceit...."

* * * * * *

Beep: Bloody CIA agent Hamid Mir exposed (WITH TAPED AUDIO CALL)

NOTE: THIS NEWS IS NOW AUTHENTIC AND CONFIRMED BY ____INSTITUTE (Pakistan’s CIA)

(audio tape, not in English)

"This looks like a tale of fiction and movies. But this is a real life drama unfolding in Pakistan around us.
The secret web of betrayal and treachery – The untold story of Khalid Khawaja, Hamid Mir, Mullah Barader and Faisal Shehzad
Any links between the three?? Seems impossible! But not in this high stakes State-sponsored dirty, sinister world of covert ops, double agents, sting operations and assassinations.

Lets start the story:

Americans have been trying to play a sinister game. They had penetrated into the ranks of Afghan Taliban especially into the Popalzai tribe and had cultivated a high level Afghan Taliban leader to be pitched against Mullah Umer. Basically, CIA was creating a “coup” within Taliban. Hold your breath, sit back and prepare yourself to know who this secret “CIA asset” within the Taliban was.

It was Mullah Barader! Yes, the same one captured in Karachi by ISI and US is desperate to have him.

The CIA plan was that Mullah Barader would be brought to Karachi and then ISI would be tipped to arrest him. Then US were to ask the custody of the Afghan leader and Pakistan government would hand over the Afghan Talib leader to US.

The result would be catastrophic for Pakistan as all pro-Taliban elements would then condemn ISI and Pakistan as CIA puppets and a serious breach of trust and confidence would appear between Pakistani security establishment and Afghan Mujahideen. This would also humiliate army and ISI in front of the nation. CIA and US administration were extremely upset when ISI refused to hand over Mullah Barader to US, despite the pressure from Zardari mafia.
ISI initially did not know the CIA game.

They just refused to hand over Barader to US and insisted upon their own interrogation first. Unknowingly, ISI was seriously damaging the US game plan of staging a coup against Mullah Omar as well as against ISI. During the interrogation, the entire game became exposed to the ISI.
The Zardari clan was equally desperate to hand over Barader to US.

Here, enters Khalid Khawaja! Out of his [appreciation of] the Taliban, unknowingly that he is entering to a global game of espionage and betrayal, KK filed a petition into the SC [Supreme Court, presumably] taking a stay order against handing over of Mullah Barader to US. Now US were furious. KK had signed his death warrant and now was marked for death.

KK (Khalid Khawaja) had been going to North Waziristan and dealing with TTP, trying his best to start a reconciliation process between Pakistan and TTP. He was also aware of the fact that a “Lashkar Jhangvi” faction of TTP was opposed to these attempts at peace talks.

These include Ilyas Kashmiri gang commonly called Punjabi Taliban. When KK was returning from talks with Hakim Ullah Mehsud, he was invited by Punjabi Taliban group and taken prisoner along with Col Imam and Asad Qureshi, the journalist.

Initially, TTP was unaware of KK and his party’s being taken prisoner by the Punjabi Taliban. Later, when Hakeem Ullah Mehsud came to know of the drama, he tried to secure the release of the men. But then, enters another treacherous character from Geo TV.

Hamid Mir, makes a call to the Punjabi Taliban and ask them not to release KK and instigates them to assassinate KK as a spy! Hamid Mir, talks to Punjabi Taliban (PT) in detail and this entire conversation is recored by the PT and the tape is taken to HakimUllah Mehsud. The allegations, charges and accusations against KK which were leveled by Hamid Mir were so severe that HakimUllah Mehsud also fell for the trap and allowed the execution of KK after making him read the confessional statement which was exactly what Hamid Mir had dictated to the PT.

This tape is now available and is the most direct incriminating evidence against Hamid Mir. It is clear that Hamid Mir was launched by Americans to use his influence on the TTP and PT to get KK assassinated. It was done with precision, except for one blunder – the tape is now with Pakistani secret services.
The American desire is to wage a war in North Waziristan against Haqqani / Afghan Taliban networks. Pakistan army is not willing to do that.

Americans tried to use Mullah Barader to create serious mistrust and hatred between Afghan Taliban and Pakistan army.

That was failed when Barader was not handed over to US and Khalid Khawaja unknowingly became a major setback for the Americans when he took a court order against Barader’s extradition. Khalid was trapped and Hamid Mir was used to mislead TTP into assassinating KK. But in the end, the US plan of waging a war in North Waziristan fizzles out.

Now a backup plan was required to create reasons to initiate a war into North Waziristan. – Here enter Faisal Shehzad – a false flag operation to implicate Pakistani Taliban and then threaten and force Pakistan to “do more” in North Waziristan! ....a massive media disinformation war is being launched that all global terrorism is emerging from Pakistani tribal pocket of North Waziristan and ISI/army is either hands and gloves with Taliban or nor willing to do more.

So now, you understand the tone, language and demeanor of Hillary and US media over Faisal Shehzad! Despite the fact that US army Generals have confirmed that Faisal had no links with anyone in FATA.

Pakistan was being setup for a possible geopolitical disaster.
Allah protected Pakistan.
US and Indians through their assets in Media and in terrorist groups continue to kick dust and deceive the world and Pakistani nation. But now, this time at least, their game is exposed."

[BLS_1919v2.0]

I will read this, I have seen it before though (on an ISI fanpage lolz)...however a link and an author would help.

[ComradePashtun]

This, one would expect from Pakistani side of the propaganda. It is on record that even Kyani has openly made it clear that Pakistan should be alowed central role in any negotiations with Taliban wherin they can dictate the terms and outcome. That is where the friction is not this fantastic espinoge fantacy which you dearly believe in. No doubtly links had forged between Karzai and Beradar, obviously through intermediaries of the same tribe that they belong to, yet the process was inconclusive. Pakistan found out and they simply sabotage the process. End of the story.