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    Washington Post

    KABUL — In a rupture that could send seismic cracks through Afghanistan’s shaky political landscape, one of the country’s most powerful leaders has definitively broken with President Ashraf Ghani after months of alternating between private negotiations and public denunciations of his government.

    Atta Mohammad Noor, 53, the last remaining Afghan regional strongman and the wealthy governor of northern Balkh province for the past 16 years, has either resigned or been fired, according to various statements and interpretations that circulated Monday in the capital.

    The president’s office said Atta had “offered his resignation” at some point in the past and had been replaced, but associates of Atta, a leader of the influential Jamiat-i-Islami party, said that the offer had been made “conditionally” during talks last year and that because his demands were not met, his dismissal would not be accepted.

    Atta made no public comment Monday, but Foreign Minister Salahuddin Rabbani, the head of Jamiat, issued a statement calling Ghani’s replacement of Atta a “hasty, irresponsible act against the stability and security of Afghanistan.”

    Rabbani said removing Atta was “in conflict with the principles” of a U.S.-brokered deal in 2014, after fraud-plagued and inconclusive elections, under which Ghani and his top rival, Abdullah Abdullah, agreed to form a temporary joint government. Abdullah, whose relationship with Ghani has often been tense, is also from the Jamiat party.

    Atta, who is enormously wealthy, bankrolled Abdullah’s presidential run. Atta also controls large numbers of armed loyalists, and after the 2014 election he threatened to overrun the capital with protesters if Abdullah were not declared the winner.

    Now, Atta’s sudden departure from office could force Abdullah to choose sides, potentially breaking up the already fragile national unity government. The government is backed by the United States and other Western countries, and the Trump administration is in the process of adding several thousand U.S. troops to help train Afghan forces in their fight against insurgents.

    Some Jamiat figures said the party would completely “boycott” the Ghani government if Noor were not reinstated. The party is dominated by ethnic Tajiks, and it has long accused Ghani, an ethnic Pashtun, of ethnic bias. Atta had long demanded that Ghani give Jamiat more say in appointments and other perks, and he had reportedly agreed to resign as governor only if those demands were met.

    Last summer, Atta publicly joined forces with another northern strongman and disgruntled government official, Vice President Abdurrashid Dostum, who had left the country after being accused of rape and assault by a political rival. Atta visited Dostum at his home in Turkey with several other political figures, and the group announced an opposition alliance called the Coalition for the Salvation of Afghanistan.

    More recently, Atta accused Ghani’s government of barring his plane from traveling to Kandahar, where a group of opposition figures and lawmakers, including Dostum, gathered to discuss problems with the Ghani government, including alleged meddling in parliamentary elections scheduled for July.

    Atta is often described as having built an empire in Balkh province, using its border-customs revenue to build its capital, Mazar-e Sharif, into a model of development. He is known for ruthless behavior, including ordering the seizure and beating of a local official who threatened to expose corruption in the region.

    News of Atta’s removal came on a day when gunmen and a car bomber invaded a construction site near a national intelligence police training facility in the capital, underscoring the government’s vulnerability on another front. The assault, claimed by the Islamic State, led to a six-hour gun battle in which all three attackers were killed. Some security forces were injured.

  • #2
    Wondering what everyone thinks of what's going on.

    There are reports that Dostum has flown into Uzbekistan and is planning on entering Mazar-i-Sharif soon as well. Seems like the old Northern Alliance may be trying to make a power play to contest Ghani's power. Ghani has been acting like a king rather than a president (even though he's still too much of a dawoos to speak out against America's airstrikes against civilian populations) in a lot of ways, but as long as he has America's backing, I doubt Noor, Dostum, etc. will be able to do anything. Even Abdullah Abdullah doesn't really seem to be on their side. And they can't really join the armed resistance against the US-backed government either, given their animosity towards the Taliban (let alone the fact that no one's gonna take the idea of Dostum as a Mujahid seriously), so I think they've backed themselves into a corner. I guess they could try to establish a third side (fourth if you count ISIS) in the war, but if the Taliban are already being backed by Iran, I'm not sure who they could turn to for funding.

    But Noor is supposedly popular in Balkh, and Dostum is popular with Uzbeks, so I wonder if they could hold onto some degree of power in the north without attempting serious threats against the national government. Kinda like ISIS has a hold on some areas of Nangarhar. The national government is very weak, but it'd probably be too embarrassing for them to allow Mazar to be held by rebels that I doubt they'd allow Noor to maintain his hold on the city.

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    • #3
      Originally posted by maneatinglizard View Post
      Wondering what everyone thinks of what's going on.

      There are reports that Dostum has flown into Uzbekistan and is planning on entering Mazar-i-Sharif soon as well. Seems like the old Northern Alliance may be trying to make a power play to contest Ghani's power. Ghani has been acting like a king rather than a president (even though he's still too much of a dawoos to speak out against America's airstrikes against civilian populations) in a lot of ways, but as long as he has America's backing, I doubt Noor, Dostum, etc. will be able to do anything. Even Abdullah Abdullah doesn't really seem to be on their side. And they can't really join the armed resistance against the US-backed government either, given their animosity towards the Taliban (let alone the fact that no one's gonna take the idea of Dostum as a Mujahid seriously), so I think they've backed themselves into a corner. I guess they could try to establish a third side (fourth if you count ISIS) in the war, but if the Taliban are already being backed by Iran, I'm not sure who they could turn to for funding.

      But Noor is supposedly popular in Balkh, and Dostum is popular with Uzbeks, so I wonder if they could hold onto some degree of power in the north without attempting serious threats against the national government. Kinda like ISIS has a hold on some areas of Nangarhar. The national government is very weak, but it'd probably be too embarrassing for them to allow Mazar to be held by rebels that I doubt they'd allow Noor to maintain his hold on the city.
      USA has always relied on local warlords so they won't let these people go. Still Ghani seems to confident so I guess he got some support from Uncle Sam. Dont count on Abdullah he is an utter failure lol.

      Mujahideens fooled themselves by believing democracy was a real thing in Afghanistan. In the last elections there was massive fraud with USA´s approval. Ghani "won" John Kerry forced both sides to reach and agreement and Ghani fooled Abdullah. Both USA and Ghani fooled Jamiatis. USA will never allow a Jamiati become president of Afghanistan. If a Tajik becomes ruler of Afghanistan he will try to improve ties with Iran, Russia and Central Asian countries. Thats unacceptable for the USA.

      I don't think this is good. Too many fronts open for the government: Taliban, ISIS, and now warlords. Karzai played they game much better although Ghani is much smarter than Karzai and most of these useless warlords.
      "For thirty years, I endured much pain and strife,
      I awaken the Ajam by this Persian [language]. "

      -Ferdowsi.

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      • #4
        Originally posted by Firdousi View Post
        USA has always relied on local warlords so they won't let these people go. Still Ghani seems to confident so I guess he got some support from Uncle Sam. Dont count on Abdullah he is an utter failure lol.
        That's why this is interesting to me. They've allowed their boy Dostum to be exiled for a long time, and I doubt Ghani did this without getting it approved by America first. He's not exactly brave or bold lol.

        Originally posted by Firdousi View Post
        Mujahideens fooled themselves by believing democracy was a real thing in Afghanistan. In the last elections there was massive fraud with USA´s approval.
        I don't think they were fooled. Pretty much everyone knew the election was completely rigged everywhere way before it even happened.

        The real question was who had better contacts to rig things in their favor, not who was more popular.

        Originally posted by Firdousi View Post
        Ghani "won" John Kerry forced both sides to reach and agreement and Ghani fooled Abdullah. Both USA and Ghani fooled Jamiatis. USA will never allow a Jamiati become president of Afghanistan. If a Tajik becomes ruler of Afghanistan he will try to improve ties with Iran, Russia and Central Asian countries. Thats unacceptable for the USA.
        Why would Tajiks ally with Russians?

        As for the others, I think Pashtuns and Tajiks are largely in the same camp. Pashtuns probably hate Pakistan more if anything, which leaves Central Asia and Iran as our only viable regional partners too.

        I agree that the US will probably keep the leadership away from Tajiks, but I don't think it's for the reasons you mentioned. I think the real reason is they're afraid that making a non-Pashtun president will lead to tons of Pashtuns joining the Taliban. It's basically bribery. Since Tajik armed groups joined with the central government instead of resisting, I think the US thinks that they're not a serious threat to stability. This could end up testing that theory.

        Originally posted by Firdousi View Post
        I don't think this is good. Too many fronts open for the government: Taliban, ISIS, and now warlords. Karzai played they game much better although Ghani is much smarter than Karzai and most of these useless warlords.
        Definitely not good for the central government. Don't know if it's bad for Afghanistan as a whole. Obviously, more fighting is bad in the short-term, but I don't think this regime has any hope of lasting, so maybe a quicker fall is better in the long run.

        Karzai knew how to play Afghan politics. Ghani is a Western-educated charlatan who thinks he's so much smarter than every else in the country and expected everyone to treat him specially. Frankly, I don't buy this reputation of Ghani as an intellectual. He and his supporters constantly brag about how educated and intelligent he is, but what has he actually done that indicates a high degree of intelligence? I haven't seen any inventive ideas coming from his regime. Just the same old failed policies that every third-world pseudo-democracy employs to keep its citizens content enough to prevent a revolt.

        Originally posted by Afghanfootball
        Ghani the greatest leader in modern Afghan history along with Amanullah Khan and Najeeb.
        Amanullah Khan and Najeeb were both total losers and failures, and Ghani probably will be too.

        If these are our greatest leaders, what does that say about us? lol

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        • #5
          Originally posted by maneatinglizard View Post
          That's why this is interesting to me. They've allowed their boy Dostum to be exiled for a long time, and I doubt Ghani did this without getting it approved by America first. He's not exactly brave or bold lol.

          I don't think they were fooled. Pretty much everyone knew the election was completely rigged everywhere way before it even happened.

          The real question was who had better contacts to rig things in their favor, not who was more popular.

          Why would Tajiks ally with Russians?

          As for the others, I think Pashtuns and Tajiks are largely in the same camp. Pashtuns probably hate Pakistan more if anything, which leaves Central Asia and Iran as our only viable regional partners too.

          I agree that the US will probably keep the leadership away from Tajiks, but I don't think it's for the reasons you mentioned. I think the real reason is they're afraid that making a non-Pashtun president will lead to tons of Pashtuns joining the Taliban. It's basically bribery. Since Tajik armed groups joined with the central government instead of resisting, I think the US thinks that they're not a serious threat to stability. This could end up testing that theory.

          Definitely not good for the central government. Don't know if it's bad for Afghanistan as a whole. Obviously, more fighting is bad in the short-term, but I don't think this regime has any hope of lasting, so maybe a quicker fall is better in the long run.

          Karzai knew how to play Afghan politics. Ghani is a Western-educated charlatan who thinks he's so much smarter than every else in the country and expected everyone to treat him specially. Frankly, I don't buy this reputation of Ghani as an intellectual. He and his supporters constantly brag about how educated and intelligent he is, but what has he actually done that indicates a high degree of intelligence? I haven't seen any inventive ideas coming from his regime. Just the same old failed policies that every third-world pseudo-democracy employs to keep its citizens content enough to prevent a revolt.

          Amanullah Khan and Najeeb were both total losers and failures, and Ghani probably will be too.

          If these are our greatest leaders, what does that say about us? lol
          The American-Afghan camp had the better contacts. People use to claim that Atta or Abdullah are "slaves of the USA" but I don't think thats true. These people are slaves of themselves. USA and warlords are using each other to advance their agenda but both know it won't last forever. USA doesn't trust them much. Tamara, Khalilzad, Karzai and Ghani are their boys.

          Why not? If these people feel cornered they will definitely ally Russia. Even Pakistan if it needed. Thats the way politics works. Pure realpolitik.

          Not sure about that hatred toward Pakistan by Pashtuns, dude. Nationalist Pashtuns are a bit confused: they hate Pakistan while at the same time they have an hegemonist agenda for Afghanistan. Rural Pashtuns don't care about Afghanistan or the government, they just want to live in peace.

          Good point. I guess there must be several reasons behind the way USA makes his decisions. In any case, its not in our benefit at all.

          Its not about Ghani being educated or not, its about his intelligence. The way he fooled every single powerbroker in Afghanistan proves that he is a smart guy: Dostum, Abdullah, Karzai, and now Atta. We should give him some credit.

          Afghan government will collapse. Its a matter of time. So will the Taliban. Both are a failure no matter who wins in the medium term both will lose too.
          "For thirty years, I endured much pain and strife,
          I awaken the Ajam by this Persian [language]. "

          -Ferdowsi.

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          • #6
            Does Dostum actually have the support of Uzbeks? Nearly every Uzbek I’ve met seem to condemn his actions.
            Even Adobe Photoshop can't change me.

            A line[Durrand line] of hatred that raised a wall between the two brothers -Hamid Karzai

            For generations, the Hindus of India prayed for deliverance from "the venom of the cobra, the teeth of the tiger and the vengeance of the Afghan."


            The men of Kábul and Khilj also went home; and whenever they were questioned about the Musulmáns of the Kohistán (the mountains), and how matters stood there, they said, "Don't call it Kohistán, but Afghánistán; for there is nothing there but Afgháns and disturbances." Thus it is clear that for this reason the people of the country call their home in their own language Afghánistán, and themselves Afgháns. The people of India call them Patán; but the reason for this is not known. But it occurs to me, that when, under the rule of Muhammadan sovereigns, Musulmáns first came to the city of Patná, and dwelt there, the people of India (for that reason) called them Patáns—but God knows!

            -Ferishta, 1560–1620

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            • #7
              Originally posted by Admin Khan View Post
              Does Dostum actually have the support of Uzbeks? Nearly every Uzbek I’ve met seem to condemn his actions.
              Uzbeks in the West or Afghanistan? AFAIK he still has a lot of support in his traditional strongholds. That was the whole reason Ghani brought him on to be a Vice President after all.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Afghanfootball
                Ghani the greatest leader in modern Afghan history along with Amanullah Khan and Najeeb.
                All were cucks though...are you trolling?

                Also, as economist Kaushik Basu says: "For a nation to progress it is important for people to spend time on science, mathematics and literature instead of spending time showing that 5,000 years ago their ancestors did science, mathematics and literature."


                Originally posted by ذو الفقار
                don’t try to be smart.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by maneatinglizard View Post
                  Uzbeks in the West or Afghanistan? AFAIK he still has a lot of support in his traditional strongholds. That was the whole reason Ghani brought him on to be a Vice President after all.
                  My interactions have been with Uzbeks in the West; in fact, I’ve never met an Uzbek in my life that supports Dostum. I thought Ghani brought him onboard cause he has a milita, and can cause havoc, not because he has popular support in his region.
                  Even Adobe Photoshop can't change me.

                  A line[Durrand line] of hatred that raised a wall between the two brothers -Hamid Karzai

                  For generations, the Hindus of India prayed for deliverance from "the venom of the cobra, the teeth of the tiger and the vengeance of the Afghan."


                  The men of Kábul and Khilj also went home; and whenever they were questioned about the Musulmáns of the Kohistán (the mountains), and how matters stood there, they said, "Don't call it Kohistán, but Afghánistán; for there is nothing there but Afgháns and disturbances." Thus it is clear that for this reason the people of the country call their home in their own language Afghánistán, and themselves Afgháns. The people of India call them Patán; but the reason for this is not known. But it occurs to me, that when, under the rule of Muhammadan sovereigns, Musulmáns first came to the city of Patná, and dwelt there, the people of India (for that reason) called them Patáns—but God knows!

                  -Ferishta, 1560–1620

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Afghanfootball
                    The only leaders who wanted to lift Afghanistan and were not dogs of other nations other than Najeeb before he became president.

                    Would you prefer Zaher Shah's family who did not advance the country at all and were dogs of English.

                    Literally every other Afghan leader was a dog of another nation other than those 3.
                    Najib had mother Russia so far up his tail pipe that they cured his colon cancer. He was possibly the cuckiest of all.

                    Aman was apart of Zahir's family , that's his uncle and he was a dog of the German's. Guy pranced his wife to the German Kaiser as if she was participating in the Westminster Dog Show. He might have been anti British but he wanted to foster the Germabs who had similar plans.

                    You're right no leader in modern Afghanistan were strong and independent , perhaps we need to stop looking up to demagogues ?

                    Also, as economist Kaushik Basu says: "For a nation to progress it is important for people to spend time on science, mathematics and literature instead of spending time showing that 5,000 years ago their ancestors did science, mathematics and literature."


                    Originally posted by ذو الفقار
                    don’t try to be smart.

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                    • #11
                      We Muslims have to think outside the box and realize that it is never governments that build a country, but the civil and private institutions. Muslims have had too much of socialism and statism expecting the State to do everything. Develop a vibrant civil society and don't wait for the government to build your country.

                      Choose instead a government that will be good for political stability and national security. If that happens to be a king like Zahir Shah was why not? Someone said Zahir Shah did nothing to advance Afghanistan. Why should that matter? Let Afghans advance themselves with civil society. Let's go back to our libertarian, commercial culture before the post-colonial socialism experiments.

                      Remember, all politics is local. Decentralization is good. It is said that warlords are corrupt. Pull the rug from below the feet of the warlords by cutting the strings of the purse.
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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Admin Khan View Post
                        My interactions have been with Uzbeks in the West; in fact, I’ve never met an Uzbek in my life that supports Dostum. I thought Ghani brought him onboard cause he has a milita, and can cause havoc, not because he has popular support in his region.
                        Thats because almost no Uzbek supports Dostum. I have met some Uzbeks in Europe. Most of them were quite pro-Jamiatis and all of them were Persianspeakers.
                        "For thirty years, I endured much pain and strife,
                        I awaken the Ajam by this Persian [language]. "

                        -Ferdowsi.

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                        • #13
                          Most Afghan Uzbeks are bilingual in Farsi/Dari or Tajik.

                          Dostum has lost significant amount of support from Uzbeks recently and especially after the allegations made by Ischchi.

                          However, he is still regarded by most people in the same way as Altaf Hussain is across the border.

                          Almost every Afghan Uzbek video on YouTube praises him in some way or if not in the video, certainly in the comments.

                          Even his son Batur all ready to step up.

                          BTW IMO Dostum is a true Afghan and a real leader. He gets things done and doesn't acre about being diplomatic. He is not anti-Pashtun, in fact he can even speak Pashto.
                          Originally posted by Bengal_Tiger
                          He is a very clever guy, very intelligent. The clown persona he has on here is just for messing around and time pass on the net...
                          "Za d mazaro pa kaat khob kam, zma janan pa double bed kawi khoboona..."

                          "Yaar pa burgero amukhta da - zmung sarry doddy ta laas na lagawina"

                          Khudaya d tol Kandahar gul ky... d yaar d para ba daste gulaan rawrama

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by زده کوونکی View Post
                            Most Afghan Uzbeks are bilingual in Farsi/Dari or Tajik.

                            Dostum has lost significant amount of support from Uzbeks recently and especially after the allegations made by Ischchi.

                            However, he is still regarded by most people in the same way as Altaf Hussain is across the border.

                            Almost every Afghan Uzbek video on YouTube praises him in some way or if not in the video, certainly in the comments.

                            Even his son Batur all ready to step up.

                            BTW IMO Dostum is a true Afghan and a real leader. He gets things done and doesn't acre about being diplomatic. He is not anti-Pashtun, in fact he can even speak Pashto.
                            He is a corrupt donkey. A joke. A political prostitute. An illiterate fool.
                            "For thirty years, I endured much pain and strife,
                            I awaken the Ajam by this Persian [language]. "

                            -Ferdowsi.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Firdousi View Post
                              He is a corrupt donkey. A joke. A political prostitute. An illiterate fool.
                              Yet I doubt you'd say it to his face or G-d knows what he'll have done to you.

                              Remember, the mercy of an Uzbek is equivalent to the wrath of an Afghan.

                              Mardi maydon Dostum bizning huquqlarimiz uchun kurashgan haqiqi rahbar dir.

                              Bayroqing ga salom berdum Turkistonim
                              Yashang Dostum qahramonim
                              Originally posted by Bengal_Tiger
                              He is a very clever guy, very intelligent. The clown persona he has on here is just for messing around and time pass on the net...
                              "Za d mazaro pa kaat khob kam, zma janan pa double bed kawi khoboona..."

                              "Yaar pa burgero amukhta da - zmung sarry doddy ta laas na lagawina"

                              Khudaya d tol Kandahar gul ky... d yaar d para ba daste gulaan rawrama

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