khalil sarbaz wazir killed by intelligence agencies

[Peshawer_222]

According to Marwat he is a member of PMAP so he is not on his own. They doesn't have to take on the whole army, foot soldiers are not to be blamed. They can target family members of who ever is in charge. Its not very Islamic but as they say all is fair in love and war. These people need to be taught a lesson, people can't live in a police state especially when the police themselves are corrupt to the core. He was assassinated without a trial, his killers deserve the same treatment.

Considering if agencies have killed him you honestly think a few dozen men can take on ISI ?

[Shapur]

But again the problem is "Who will do this " as Samandri stated it is not between Tribe A Vs Tribe B. PMAP if they hold up weapons will then no longer be considered as Political parts and it will cause them more loss.Do you know Shahpur bro the governor of Baluch province is Achakzai bro.What you are saying is practically not possible since there own tribe will not stand up against this.. Point being they can easily say LOOK he was instigating movement for separation..Look his flag on his chest..Wazir tribe has grievances due to hardship they are facing because of operation..But then again either they want to revolt against state or Army ( so far no indication) ...As samandri bro said Taliban has thousands of foot soldiers who follow there ideology and strike ANA..

I know the political parties are more worried about winning the elections and filling their pockets so they are not going to do anything nor does anyone expect them to do anything about it.
Extra judicial killings like this should not be tolerated anywhere. What was this person's crime? Its innocent until proven guilty not the other way around and the punishment should match the crime. The family should seek the help of human rights organizations in Pakistan and justice should be served. If the authorities turn a blind eye then there is no other option than to take the law into one's own hand. I am sure its not that easy to kill a few family members of who ever did this. Pakistani president Liaqat Ali khan was killed by an Afghan national. Its not that hard.

Considering if agencies have killed him you honestly think a few dozen men can take on ISI ?

A few family memberes fidaeen need to carry out some assassinations to teach these sort of people a good lesson. They need to go for the top brass and their famlies, not the foot soldiers who are just cannon fodder. It will make them think twice before they issue such orders. Their sense of invincibility needs to be broken. I would say the same for NDS or any other organization if they carry out extra judicial killings without trials.

[Peshawer_222]

A few family memberes fidaeen need to carry out some assassinations to teach these sort of people a good lesson. They need to go for the top brass and their famlies, not the foot soldiers who are just cannon fodder. It will make them think twice before they issue such orders. Their sense of invincibility needs to be broken. I would say the same for NDS or any other organization if they carry out extra judicial killings without trials.

You are talking about going after a spy agency which is feared worldwide for its ruthlessness and is probably the most notorious organization in the world . Comparing ISI and NDS is kind of reduntant because the former enjoys immense power in the region . Also nobody inside Pakistan enjoys such power similar to Taliban in Afghanistan which can go after after the top brass of ISI . 35 % of Afghanistan is under talib influence , which is not the case here . So its very easy for Taliban to go after NDS inside Afghan territory .

[Peacelove]

[QUOTE=Shapur;801113]I know the political parties are more worried about winning the elections and filling their pockets so they are not going to do anything nor does anyone expect them to do anything about it.
Extra judicial killings like this should not be tolerated anywhere. What was this person's crime? Its innocent until proven guilty not the other way around and the punishment should match the crime. The family should seek the help of human rights organizations in Pakistan and justice should be served. If the authorities turn a blind eye then there is no other option than to take the law into one's own hand. I am sure its not that easy to kill a few family members of who ever did this. Pakistani president Liaqat Ali khan was killed by an Afghan national. Its not that hard.



Totally endorsed you extra judicial killing shall not be tolerated in any form.Human rights organizations and watch dogs should be consulted and energize to speak on this.
But again you need to consider the fact that "Malik" or Elder who has some influence will not speak by taking plea that"He was involved in terror activities or was instigating separation movement and here come the dilemma for everyone.For e.g everyone listen to Achakzai and Asfandyar but not to separators.There army has lost Lt.general and others in these things but this only endorse there views when it happened and they regain there strength for mass support.Problem is no body knows who is ISI agent. People only knows the head of ISI .I have no idea how easy and difficult to reach him.
But i think this is not the way.What good that guy bring to us in general by killing Liaquat Ali khan. They still use this and said you killed our PM for what ..
Best is to take the rights peacefully like others are doing..By going and killing will only bring more miseries..

[Shapur]

You are talking about going after a spy agency which is feared worldwide for its ruthlessness and is probably the most notorious organization in the world . Comparing ISI and NDS is kind of reduntant because the former enjoys immense power in the region . Also nobody inside Pakistan enjoys such power similar to Taliban in Afghanistan which can go after after the top brass of ISI . 35 % of Afghanistan is under talib influence , which is not the case here . So its very easy for Taliban to go after NDS inside Afghan territory .

As mentioned before, an Afghan national killed Pakistani president Liaqat Ali Khan. Its not that hard to kill family members of these people. I am sure not all their family members drive bullet proof cars and are surrounded by security 24/7. Even if they don't manage to kill anyone, just putting that fear into their hearts is a step in the right direction. I am sure ISI is ruthless and I don't expect ordinary civilians to go after dismantling the whole infrastructure of ISI. I am just talking about assassinating certain members or their family members who had a hand in this.
This issue is not about Talib, NDS, pak vs Afg. An innocent Pakistani civilian was killed without trial and any patriotic Pakistani should care about it. The state should serve the people, not the other way around. Living in a police state is no fun.

[Peshawer_222]

As mentioned before, an Afghan national killed Pakistani president Liaqat Ali Khan. Its not that hard to kill family members of these people. I am sure not all their family members drive bullet proof cars and are surrounded by security 24/7. Even if they don't manage to kill anyone, just putting that fear into their hearts is a step in the right direction. I am sure ISI is ruthless and I don't expect ordinary civilians to go after dismantling the whole infrastructure of ISI. I am just talking about assassinating certain members or their family members who had a hand in this.
This issue is not about Talib, NDS, pak vs Afg. An innocent Pakistani civilian was killed without trial and any patriotic Pakistani should care about it. The state should serve the people, not the other way around. Living in a police state is no fun.

You mentioned they should go after them similar to how talibs go after NDS . Which is not possible here . Liaqat ali khan was killed in late 40's . The entire scenerio was different back then .

[marwat]

Most people in waziristan are good people . There are some bad apples who gave sanctuaries to TTP due to which the whole area had to suffer . You cannot blame Army for operations because we have seen a calm in Pakistan since a couple of years with 80 % reduction in terrorist attacks . So zarb e azb was justified . Its no different to what Turkey is doing in kurdish populated areas .

so they are good people if they turn blind eye to state atrocities and side government? but they become bad apples if they starting asking tough question? you are blind nationalist, you can live your life this way, but at the end you had to pay for this hypocrisy in eternal life.you will got to hell.

[Peshawer_222]

so they are good people if they turn blind eye to state atrocities and side government? but they become bad apples if they starting asking tough question? you are blind nationalist, you can live your life this way, but at the end you had to pay for this hypocrisy in eternal life.you will got to hell.

Are you going to tell me that Waziri's didn't give sanctuaries to TTP before zarb e azb ? . Its not only for Waziristan . TTP sympathisers have been killed and hunted all over Pakistan . Pakistan is safe today because of zarb e azb so the operation was totally justified .

[marwat]

Are you going to tell me that Waziri's didn't give sanctuaries to TTP before zarb e azb ? . Its not only for Waziristan . TTP sympathisers have been killed and hunted all over Pakistan . Pakistan is safe today because of zarb e azb so the operation was totally justified .

my dear the taliban were local, they have their families and their homes there. waziristan is not a state with a functioning government who give sanctuaries to taliban because of pakistan enmity. talib did not ask for sanctuaries from anyone. they were simply there from the start and they were powerfull. the local people were submissive to them.
you are simply too childish to understand this , just parroting what you have been fed up on defence.pk . does the people of swat invited taliban and gave them sancturies? No talib took those lands by force and they were royality. does the people of jhang have given sanctuaries to lashkar e jhangvi, ASWJ or orher sunni supremacist group? No because they simple rose to power there the local got owned

[Peshawer_222]

my dear the taliban were local, they have their families and their homes there. waziristan is not a state with a functioning government who give sanctuaries to taliban because of pakistan enmity. talib did not ask for sanctuaries from anyone. they were simply there from the start and they were powerfull. the local people were submissive to them.
you are simply too childish to understand this , just parroting what you have been fed up on defence.pk . does the people of swat invited taliban and gave them sancturies? No talib took those lands by force and they were royality. does the people of jhang have given sanctuaries to lashkar e jhangvi, ASWJ or orher sunni supremacist group? No because they simple rose to power there the local got owned

In short anyone that wants to harm the country will be bulldozed like your friends TTP have been . ASWJ and LEJ are there because the state wants them to . They will not survive a single day if the government decides to eliminate them .

[marwat]

In short anyone that wants to harm the country will be bulldozed like your friends TTP have been . ASWJ and LEJ are there because the state wants them to . They will not survive a single day if the government decides to eliminate them .

all of the recent killing in balochistan can be traced to these two militants organisation. for example the recent police academy killing, and quetta high court bombing. hazara shia killing, even the famous karachi airport attack have two person from LEJ. they are heavily involved with TTP and alQaeda, providing foot soldier, suicide bomber, local intelligence. in your word it's actually the state responsible for these killing !!! who are you kidding then, supporting the state make you TTP LEJ supporter then.

[marwat]

one can clearly see how much peshawar 222 a confused person. he accept that pakistan state want LEJ and ASWJ to stay, and he is calling other TTP sympathizer

[Firdousi]

Has Mahmood Achakzai even protested? Its his party member?



Why not? set up a secret assassin crew and exterminate the people who have ordered this or their family members, the Talibs do it all the time to NDS officials.

Thats wishful thinking Shapur Khan. Taliban can't take revenge on NDS. They lack of real organization to do so. Most of their attacks against NDS were backed by ISI.

[Samandri]

A while ago, men belonging to Lashkar-i-taiba (ISI-sponserd Punjabi militant organization) were asking for chanda for Kashmir Jihad in our mosque in Peshawar......the Akhroats emptied their pockets for the Punjabi Jihad while none bothered to give a rupee to a burqa-clad female beggar sitting silently outside mosque (female beggars in our cities dont make ugly noises like Punjabi beggars). Situation still has not changed, ISI no longer recruit Pashtuns for Kashmir Jihad but extract money from us , in the shape of Lashkar-i-Taiba and Jaish-i-Muhammad, knowing very well that we are akhroats and will always be akhroats who get easily manipulated and indoctrinated .....

[marwat]

A while ago, men belonging to Lashkar-i-taiba (ISI-sponserd Punjabi militant organization) were asking for chanda for Kashmir Jihad in our mosque in Peshawar......the Akhroats emptied their pockets for the Punjabi Jihad while none bothered to give a rupee to a burqa-clad female beggar sitting silently outside mosque (female beggars in our cities dont make ugly noises like Punjabi beggars). Situation still has not changed, ISI no longer recruit Pashtuns for Kashmir Jihad but extract money from us , in the shape of Lashkar-i-Taiba and Jaish-i-Muhammad, knowing very well that we are akhroats and will always be akhroats who get easily manipulated and indoctrinated .....

Previous year lashkar e taiba setup a video session and screened jihadi propaganda video related to burma and kashmir in open fields at charsadda.