Bangladesh backs Modi on Balochistan

[Bengal_Tiger]

Very big mistake here my friend, the last pic gives it away. Gulfam Photography is exclusively Pakistani army propaganda pics. This clearly gives it away that this these pics are all fake

1. Some Baloch are pro-Pakistan. Can't say how much, probably a minority but some definitely are.

The Legharis, Jamalis are pro-Pakistan for example.

2. Bangladeshis generally are ignorant about the Baloch crisis and I believe that on Bangladeshi media e.g. television we have Baloch speak about the war crimes there to raise awareness.

3. Other Muslim countries also need to get involved to protect the rights of the Baloch, a Muslim nation of millions resident in south Asia, middle east, east Africa, central Asia, west Asia.

Muslim countries like Saudi Arabia, Oman, UAE need to tell Pakistan that Baloch are Muslims and should not be massacred and terrorized.



What is the point in giving a Hindu like Modi awards and accolades if the Saudis are not going to pressure Pakistan to respect the human rights and dignity of Muslims like the Baloch?

[Bengal_Tiger]

Karzai backs Modi’s Balochistan remarks

SUHASINI HAIDAR



But the former Afghan president cautions against a proxy war.

Afghanistan’s former President Hamid Karzai “appreciated” Prime Minister Narendra Modi’s statement on the human rights situation in Balochistan on Friday, saying that India had every right to respond to Pakistan’s provocations.

“Pakistani authorities have spoken freely on Afghanistan and India, but this is the first time that the PM of India has spoken about Balochistan,” Mr. Karzai said during a visit to Delhi.

“However I don’t think India intends to go to any proxy wars in the region as it has a tradition of peaceful coexistence. The region should not go to proxy wars,” he added.

The remarks from the former Afghan president, who has often called out Pakistan for its support to the Taliban, come a day after Bangladesh Information Minister Hassanul Haq Inu had also backed Mr. Modi’s statements.

Speaking to an all-party meeting on Kashmir last week, and in his address on independence day, Mr. Modi had vowed to take up the cause of Baloch people facing repression in Pakistan on the international stage, and said he had received many messages from them.

“In Balochistan there is extreme suffering at the hands of extremists promoted by state structures in Pakistan. Therefore the people’s concerns need to be addressed and aired,” Mr. Karzai told The Hindu in an interview, saying that Mr. Modi’s comments should make Pakistan’s government “see the gravity of the situation”.

Mr. Karzai also blamed the United States for supporting Pakistan in the past, and claimed that it was the US that had stopped India from providing military assistance and lethal weaponry to Afghanistan during his Presidential tenure that ended in 2014.

Referring to a statement by visiting NATO and US commander General John Nicholson in Delhi last week, who had said that America welcomes Indian support to Afghanistan, Mr. Karzai said that the US had shifted its position “late and only lately”.

“It is welcome that the US wishes to allow and encourage India to help Afghanistan militarily, although India should never have waited for anyone’s permission,” Mr. Karzai said.

The comments are significant as they come a week ahead of a visit to Delhi by Afghan Army Chief General Qadam Shah Shahim. As The Hindu had reported earlier, sources confirmed that General Shah will bring a “revised wish list” of military hardware Afghanistan wants India to help supply, including requests for more Mi-25 and Mi-35 helicopters.

Mr. Karzai said that India must now take “bold steps” to enhance Afghan defence capabilities. “India knows the state of the Afghan forces. India is very capable of helping Afghanistan and has the means to supply Afghanistans needs: equipment hardware and training,” he said at a roundtable organised by the Institute of Peace and Conflict Studies (IPCS) ahead of a keynote address on “Regional Power play and the rise of radicalism in Afghanistan” which he will deliver on Saturday.

Former Afghan president Hamid Karzai backs PM Modi’s Balochistan remarks - The Hindu



1. Two Muslim countries now support the Muslims of Balochistan in their struggle for respect for their human rights.

- Afghanistan
- Bangladesh

Karzai, former president of the Islamic Republic of Afghanistan, is close to Ghani, current president.


2. It's said that the UAE covertly backs Baloch rebels against the Pakistani military or at least did in the past.

3. Oman is full of Baloch including Arab tribes with Baloch ancestry.



Modi in the UAE in the past year when he won $75 billion worth of investment for India from the UAE.

[Bengal_Tiger]

Muslim countries like:

- Saudi Arabia
- UAE
- Oman
- Bangladesh
- Afghanistan

should work with Pakistani human rights activists and political leaders like Imran Khan, Asma Jahangir, Hamid Mir and others to make sure that the oppression of Baloch ends. I am not saying they should support separatism but protecting Baloch civilians, women and children from the murderous and genocidal Pakistan army.

Here is a video by Imran Khan where he apologizes to Baloch for their suffering and compares it to the genocide in east Pakistan in 1971.

imran khan to baloch nation - YouTube

[younis]

^^
Karima Baloch behen cry to Modi brought tears to my eyes.

We people of Karachi are also waiting for right moment to start protests against state if they don't make separate province and liberate us from zalim Sindhi waderas.

[sterge]

Why does a Bengal_Tiger have an Egyptian flag? Arab wannbe?

[Iblis_Efreetzai]

Why does a Bengal_Tiger have an Egyptian flag? Arab wannbe?

Arab Nationalist flag at that.

[Bengal_Tiger]

^^
Karima Baloch behen cry to Modi brought tears to my eyes.

We people of Karachi are also waiting for right moment to start protests against state if they don't make separate province and liberate us from zalim Sindhi waderas.

Now for obvious reasons I don't like the state of Pakistan and especially its brutal and barbaric army but I am respected on this forum for my objectivity and mature nature, so if you are willing to engage in an intelligent manner like another Pakistani user [MENTION=18484]Porus[/MENTION] then I can discuss with you otherwise you will be placed on ignore like the various trolls, Arab nationalist fanatics, Albanian-wannabes of this forum.

1. The majority of Pakistanis across the ethnic divide support the state of Pakistan this includes "Mohajirs" (a somewhat problematic but nevertheless convenient term), indeed "Mohajirs" were the most Pakistan-centric ethnic group in the federation in lieu of having their own regional pre-state (as in pre-Pakistan creation) nationalism instead of opting for a state-based, loyal-to-the-state pan-Muslim identity.

However Mohajirs are 2nd class citizens in Punjabi-dominated Pakistan.

2. One can say that this is an unfortunate regional problem which affects many countries around the world e.g. Italy (where the north is far richer than the south and slightly racist to southerners), Egypt (same as Italy but with a racial dimension) and elsewhere.

From this perspective Mohajir status in Pakistan is just one part of an imperfect world that we live in, but Mohajirs are nevertheless loyal to the concept of a united Pakistan.


3. Or one could feel that discrimination by Punjabis is so bad that it necessitates freedom and an independent Karachi/Mohajir state.

It's not my decision and that is something for Mohajirs and Sindhis to decide not me.


4. However most Mohajirs even those who would not totally rule out possible independence (a minority from what I can gather) would ideally like Pakistan to work and be a fair place. Likewise most Pashtuns in Pakistan are pro-Pakistan, Sindhi separatism is very weak.

These are the realities.

Also terrorism has decreased greatly since the almost daily terrorist attacks a few years ago.

5. The Baloch are very different to Punjabis, Sindhis, Pashtuns and view themselves as superior to all including Pashtuns.

Even if you do not support separatism as most Pakistanis don't one should also not deify the army and give them carte blanche to carry out atrocities and war crimes in the region. Imran Khan has a sensible attitude to all this.

....liberate us from zalim Sindhi waderas.

The PPP are a very corrupt and brutal organization and so are the Waderas who control it (ironically many if not most being Baloch in origin as are the Zardaris themselves) but aside from the "zalim" waderas there are the "lovely" rangers and "wonderful" Pakistani fauj who are making your lives "pleasant".

The army in Pakistan is a servant of the people and not their masters, however in practice it is the other way round and Pakistanis are slaves/hostages to this brutal American-backed army. No offence.

Being against an army does not make you a hater of a particular country in the way hating the US army and CIA doesn't mean you hate America or Americans per se, just their army.

Feel free to respond to my points and point out any mistakes on my part and I would strongly advise you to ignore the various trolls on this forum including the Arab nationalists whose main concern is skin colour, race, identity, physical appearance and how to deal with their own self-hate and inferiority complex. Instead just reply to relevant on-topic Baloch related comments.

[younis]

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You look like one of sane posters here. Yes finally army have brought peace to this land after long time, they have done something good. But peace is not enough. We want our rights back which were taken away by PPP. Since PPP, N and PTI are all establishment parties, it means who ever is ruling Islamabad fully support what is happening in Karachi.

Our main concern is development budget of Karachi is far below what it deserve.

[Iblis_Efreetzai]

Banglay Torkhar has no respect on this forum from anyone, he's merely an ideologue and propagandist who manufactures lies about his detractors while contradicting himself; he's only a Putinist guising himself as a "Sincere Muslim" but promoting and encouraging the activities of forces that want to suppress Muslims and Islam.

[Shehbaz Khan]

so now Modi will talk about Human Rights? errr! Okay!

[Bengal_Tiger]

^^
You look like one of sane posters here. Yes finally army have brought peace to this land after long time, they have done something good. But peace is not enough. We want our rights back which were taken away by PPP. Since PPP, N and PTI are all establishment parties, it means who ever is ruling Islamabad fully support what is happening in Karachi.

Our main concern is development budget of Karachi is far below what it deserve.

I've heard that the MQM has basically been severely weakened in Karachi. I don't know if you have some degree of sympathy for the MQM but from what I heard they were an extremely ruthless party but then again I also heard they were pro-social development, anti-feudal and their militant nature (to put it lightly) was a result of the discrimination that Mohajirs faced and the violent nature of Pakistani politics (and no offence) and society in general.

What are your thoughts on this? Are the MQM much weaker now?

[MENTION=2329]Karachi[/MENTION]


P.S. Please ignore the troll Iblis Efreetzai and his 2 other aliases "Win Butler" and "Hunter" as his sole purpose on this forum is to ruin it and to disrupt any polite or mature discussion and create flame wars. Thanks.

[Iblis_Efreetzai]

I think Banglay Torkhar's paranoia that everyone is secretly other members at the same time, something that would have been exposed by the moderator team, is evidence that he's a dishonest character with a lot to hide.

telling someone to "ignore" is a sign of guilt and trying to hide from potentially uncomfortable information being revealed.

[Bengal_Tiger]

[MENTION=19599]younis[/MENTION]

I don't wish to veer of topic and want to keep this thread related to the Balochistan crisis, so could you please post any reply regarding Karachi on here:

http://www.pashtunforums.com/south-asian-world-news/47260-karachi-focus-2.html?posted=1#post793050

Thank you in advance.

[Bengal_Tiger]

Bangladesh to Balochistan: Pakistan Army’s sordid record of ethnic genocide



Tribune International DeskPublished at 12:05 AM August 21, 2016

Balochistan as a nation independent of Pakistan would be politically, economically and geopolitically self-sustainable with its vast energy and mineral deposits

August started with a huge Military Operation in Kolwah, a region in Balochishan, where gunship helicopters and ground forces burnt 13 villages and abducted eight persons including a 12 years old student and a 70 years old Farmer, while FC, a Paramilitary Force in charge of law & order in Balochishan claims in a statement that it has arrested eight “suspected terrorists” during Kolwah Military operation. However, neither any one of the eight “arrested ones” has yet been produced in any court of law nor the details are made public.

On August 8, 2016, a horrific suicide attack took place in Quetta, the capital of Pakistan’s province Balochistan. More than 70 were killed and 100 injured. Even a hospital was not spared and there was gunfire too. Increasingly, Baluchistan is coming under international focus and its tense relationship with the government of Pakistan. More and more protests are taking place as the Balochi have started protesting all over the world.

Even before the summer of 2016 can hit the peak, Pakistan is sweating because of rising turbulence in Balochistan province. Its fear is evident in the flip-flops on the peace process with India and refusal to allow the National Investigating Agency (NIA) to visit Pakistan to probe the Pathankot attack.

Pakistan Army’s genocidal operations in Balochistan

Little known is the fact that Pakistan Army’s genocidal operations in Balochistan predated Pakistan Army’s ethnic genocide in erstwhile East Pakistan (now Bangladesh) having shaken of the Pakistani yoke in December 1971. In a manner of speech the Pakistan Army has been bleeding Balochistan ever since 1948 with a ‘thousand cuts’. Ironically, Jinnah the founder of Pakistan, who was earlier the Legal Adviser of the Kalat State, as Balochistan was then known, ordered the invasion of the Kalat State in March 1948 which had strongly opposed opting for accession to Pakistan.
From Jinnah to Bhutto and thereafter under General Zia and General Musharraf, all of them reacted with unleashing Pakistan Army’s vicious onslaughts on the Balochi freedom struggle led at different stages by the three main tribal groups of Marri, Mengal and the Bugtis, of course with the remainder of Balochistan.

Heartening and reinforcing Indian Prime Minister Modi’s references of support to the Baloch nation were the news that Bangladesh, having been a victim of Pakistan Army’s ethnic genocide itself has come out with condemnation of Pakistan Army’s atrocities against the Baloch people.
Reminiscent of Bangladesh atrocities by the Pakistan Army, in Balochistan too, the Pakistan Army has gone-in for selective and targeted killings of political leaders, lawyers, the educated and educated sections within Balochistan. As one of my colleagues remarked that the recent killing of over fifty lawyers in one go at the Quetta Hospital smelt of such targeted killings by the Pakistan Army, the ISI, Islamic Jihadist groups affiliated to Pakistan Army and civilian terror gangs operating under government control. It was as if the Pakistan Army wished to decimate the entire potential leadership of the ongoing Baloch freedom struggle.



Balochistan civilisationally has been a distinct entity with no political, economic or cultural affinities with the Punjab core of Pakistan. Balochistan has no dependency on Pakistan.

Political, economic and geopolitical importance of Balochistan
Balochistan as a nation independent of Pakistan would be politically, economically and geopolitically self-sustainable with its vast energy and mineral deposits. Significantly, Balochistan comprises virtually the entire coastline of Pakistan totalling 470 miles. Pakistan’s only deep-water port of Gwadur lies within Balochistan. Balochistan comprises 43% of Pakistan’s total territory. It is no wonder that Pakistan is obsessively fixated on keeping possession of Balochistan at any cost, including ethnic genocide.
Balochistan has been deliberately been kept under-developed by Pakistan resulting in a virtual absence of education facilities and health care setup. The only things that Baluchistan stands out distinctively is the profusion of Pakistan Army garrisons, sale of Baluchi lands especially around Gwadur to Punjabi colonisers and retired Pakistan Army senior officers. Also in tandem is Pakistan’s deliberate strategy of changing the demographic profile of Balochistan by influx of Punjabis. This is reminiscent of Pakistan’s strategic patron China’s policy in China Occupied Tibet.
Recently, Balochistan has shot into prominence because of China’s strategic and economic interest manifested in taking over the Gwadur Port on long lease from Pakistan and the China Pakistan Economic Corridor which runs for most of its southern end in Balochistan. Gwadur Port is intended to emerge as a Chinese Navy base. China has also been sucked into Balochistan because of its geopolitical significance and addedly facilitated by Pakistan, and primarily the Pakistan Army.

The present Pakistan Army Chief has personally committed the Pakistan Army to successful completion of the China Pakistan Economic Corridor at any cost or despite any opposition. Implicit in this commitment of the Pakistan Army Chief is the reality that the whole of Balochistan being opposed to Pakistan-China joint colonisation of Balochistan, might now be inflicted with greater measure of suppression and ethnic genocide. This would be a worrying development for regional stability and the global strategic calculus.

Balochistan freedom struggle

Balochistan and its brave Baloch people therefore deserve global and regional support in their freedom struggle groaning under Pakistan Army suppression and unremitting ethnic genocide against the six million people of Balochistan.
How is the Pakistan Army is getting away with its repeat of the East Pakistan genocide against its Bengali co-religionists? Geopolitical and geostrategic factors come into play in favour of the Pakistan Army. The United States which has the biggest stake in Balochistan’s strategic significance shies away from adopting a strong stand against the brutal suppression of Balochistan. Recently a State Department spokesperson has asserted that the United States does not support Baluchistan’s independence. There seems to be a marked cleavage between the US Administration and its Senators and Congressmen.

China with its deep and well entrenched strategic stakes in Balochistan will never ever support demands of the Baloch peoples surge towards independence. China can be expected to be complicit with the Pakistan Army in its brutal hold over Balochistan.
But then the Baloch people should not be disheartened by the stands of the United States and China. Both USA and China were opposed to Bangladesh’s struggle for independence and ending Pakistan Army’s ethnic genocide. Could the United States and China stop the emergence of an independent Bangladesh?
Like Bangladesh, the Baloch people need to keep alive their torch for freedom as they have done for the last six decades. More than 300,000 Balochis have lost their lives and another 25,000 are missing. It is a terrible price to pay for independence by the six million people of Balochistan. That is the only way of redeeming the sacrifices of its martyrs by an incessant freedom struggle.
Against the above backdrop, Indian Prime Minister Modi assertion from the ramparts of the Red Fort on August 15, 2016 required boldness and courage of conviction. India as the largest democracy in the world and as a regional power and a global power in the making cannot ignore regional flashpoint in the making.
Concluding, one fervently hopes and prays that the emotive pitch for Baloch freedom finds resonance in world capitals, if for nothing else, on humanitarian grounds and in defence of human rights. The Pakistan Army should not be allowed to get away with a repeat of its East Pakistan genocide.

Sources: Human Rights Council of Balochistan, South Asia Analysis Group, Council on Foreign Relations.

Bangladesh to Balochistan-Pakistan Army’s sordid record

More than 300,000 Balochis have lost their lives and another 25,000 are missing.

If this figure is true then maybe more Baloch have died than people in the Syrian civil war.



Baloch being killed by the Pakistan army.



Pro-Baloch activist, Karima Baloch, who has welcomed Modi's support for Balochistan.



Image from Baloch Warna about Bangladesh's concern over human rights abuses in Balochistan.

I believe Pakistani politician Imran Khan should lead an all-party committee to bring peace in Balochistan and end human rights abuses there. Even if Balochistan remains in the federation the suffering of Baloch must end. Muslim countries like Saudi Arabia, Oman, UAE, Bangladesh and Afghanistan should all help Imran Khan if he decides to do this.



Imran has expressed concern over human rights abuses in Balochistan.

[Da Bannu Mazdigar]

The People of love Pakistan more than Bangladesh.