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    https://www.vox.com/2015/10/15/95431...ve-russia-fail


    Assad's first big Russia-backed campaign is not going well

    Updated by Zack Beauchamp on October 15, 2015, 2:10 p.m. ET @zackbeauchamp










    Syrian leader Bashar al-Assad is launching his first major offensive since Russia began its intervention on his behalf. Iran has also joined the offensive, reportedly sending one of its largest ground forces to date, including fighters from Hezbollah and Iraqi Shia militias.
    But even with all that, Assad's campaign so far does not seem to be working, according to a report by the Institute for the Study of War.


    "The Syrian regime has not gained much terrain in the first week of its large-scale ground offensive against rebel forces, despite support from intensified Russian airstrikes and hundreds of Iranian proxy reinforcements," Chris Kozak, a Syria research analyst at ISW, writes. "Operations against the Syrian opposition will likely prove harder and slower than anticipated by either Russia or Iran."
    Russia's airstrikes and Iranian troops are, so far, not turning the tide for Assad

    ISW, widely considered the best outside group in tracking shifts on the ground in Syria, locates most of the offensive in rebel-held territory in northwest Syria. That's the yellow patch in the red-circled area on the below map — the heaviest site of Russian bombardment:
    * Yet Assad-allied forces, which began their campaign about a week ago, have so far made minimal gains, at best, in those areas.
    "Confirmed reports indicate that pro-regime fighters have seized only six villages and towns, while rebel forces repelled heavy attacks against several key positions," Kozak writes. He illustrates this point with a more granular map of the fighting in the area, which shows both towns taken by the regime and those recaptured by the rebels:
    Moreover, this assault has come at real costs for Assad.


    "Regime forces suffered heavy losses in manpower and materiel in the face of heavy rebel resistance," Kozak writes. "Free Syrian Army (FSA)-affiliated rebels forces claimed to destroy at least twenty tanks and armored vehicles as well as a helicopter gunship in a 'tank massacre' on the first day of the offensive. ... Continued heavy casualties may leave pro-regime forces vulnerable to a counterattack by Syrian rebels."
    It would seem that, at least so far, neither the Russian nor Iranian deployments are substantial enough to fundamentally alter the balance of power on the ground. That could certainly change, and perhaps Assad's campaign will ultimately break through, but at the moment this is looking like a failure for him and his allies.
    This has costs for Russia as well. The Associated Press's Vladimir Isachenkov points out, "Protracted Russian military action without any visible gains by the Syrian army would quickly erode the propaganda effect Putin has achieved with his bombing blitz."
    Again, maybe things will change on the ground. But so far this is not looking good for Assad or his allies.
    Last edited by Insight; 10-16-2015, 12:46 PM.
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    well sounds like a typical western propaganda. How this will not go well? Russian is paving and clearing the way.

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    • #3
      Originally posted by Khostai View Post
      well sounds like a typical western propaganda. How this will not go well? Russian is paving and clearing the way.
      Syria brought in the Iranians which they are not even trying to hide anymore and for months they still faced losses. This is not propaganda but the reality on the ground. Now with Russian airstrikes the advances seem to be minuscule with their enemies strongholds maintaining their ground. This has looked bad for the Iranians for the last couple of months and only time will tell if the Russians come out the winner or the loser in their campaign against anti gov't forces.
      There are people today who think that admitting God’s absolute greatness decreases the value and importance of humans in the creation, as if God and mankind are rivals competing in greatness and power. Meanwhile I feel that whenever our perception of God’s greatness increases, with it we become greater, because we are the creation of a great God.

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      • #4
        Originally posted by randolph85 View Post
        Syria brought in the Iranians which they are not even trying to hide anymore and for months they still faced losses. This is not propaganda but the reality on the ground. Now with Russian airstrikes the advances seem to be minuscule with their enemies strongholds maintaining their ground. This has looked bad for the Iranians for the last couple of months and only time will tell if the Russians come out the winner or the loser in their campaign against anti gov't forces.
        Western powers have backed and financed all those extremist groups for years and Assad goverment is still there. Russia just started the bombing and Assad is mobilizing the troops with Irans help. The Syrian regime will not fall, it will need more time but it will progress. If it did not fall in those 4 years it will not fall now.

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        • #5
          And by the way you all jump to conclusion that Afghanistan old regime fell and the same will happen to Syria. But Afghan regime was on its own, the only helper at the time was Russia and when they stoped helping it fell, Syria is being backed by Russia and Iran with help of Hezbollah and China will invest money if some sort of stability will come. All of this Afghanistan of 90s did not had. So I really doubt that Syrian regime will fall. It will only fall if Iran and Russia will stop supporting it, but I don't see that happen any time soon....

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          • #6
            In Syria, it is a Sunni-Shiite sectarian war, not a war between a secularist and an extremist. Iran, who is Assad's patron, is a Shiite theocracy.

            Despite support from Iranian troops, Hezbolllah troops, and several other Shiite militias, Assad regime lost even more ground to the opposition.

            China's foreign ministry has publicly rejected Russian/Iranian/Assad reports that the Chinese military was going to join Russia in Syria.
            Last edited by Insight; 10-17-2015, 05:11 PM.
            "The past is not my concern. The future is no longer my concern either. One minute. One minute of everything at once. And anything before is nothing. Everything after nothing. Nothing in comparison to that one minute."

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            • #7
              Originally posted by Khostai View Post
              Western powers have backed and financed all those extremist groups for years and Assad goverment is still there. Russia just started the bombing and Assad is mobilizing the troops with Irans help. The Syrian regime will not fall, it will need more time but it will progress. If it did not fall in those 4 years it will not fall now.
              Western funding has usually gone to the weakest groups. In the past it was the FSA that were in the spotlight but nowadays its the Islamic groups which hold the most ground. The US just abandoned its program to train fighters there when it was revealed there were only 3 or 4 active fighters, yes 3 or 4. This is not to mention that other US funded groups were said to of surrendered their US equipment to Nusra.

              IS is self funded, Al Nusra probably has some gulf money coming in and the smaller Islamic groups may also have some gulf backers. Unlike the Taliban though, these groups are based in the nations they are fighting in and don't depend on neighboring countries for their survival. Many of these groups control business enterprises which fund their operations and are not as dependent on foreigners as one may think.

              The Iranians have been pretty much worthless for the regime, their only hope of survival is Russian air power. At this point if there is no air campaign then this regime wouldn't last the next 3 months.
              Last edited by randolph85; 10-17-2015, 08:37 PM.
              There are people today who think that admitting God’s absolute greatness decreases the value and importance of humans in the creation, as if God and mankind are rivals competing in greatness and power. Meanwhile I feel that whenever our perception of God’s greatness increases, with it we become greater, because we are the creation of a great God.

              Sayyid Qutb

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              • #8
                Originally posted by randolph85 View Post
                Western funding has usually gone to the weakest groups. In the past it was the FSA that were in the spotlight but nowadays its the Islamic groups which hold the most ground. The US just abandoned its program to train fighters there when it was revealed there were only 3 or 4 active fighters, yes 3 or 4. This is not to mention that other US funded groups were said to of surrendered their US equipment to Nusra.

                IS is self funded, Al Nusra probably has some gulf money coming in and the smaller Islamic groups may also have some gulf backers. Unlike the Taliban though, these groups are based in the nations they are fighting in and don't depend on neighboring countries for their survival. Many of these groups control business enterprises which fund their operations and are not as dependent on foreigners as one may think.

                The Iranians have been pretty much worthless for the regime, their only hope of survival is Russian air power. At this point if there is no air campaign then this regime wouldn't last the next 3 months.
                we will see.

                By the way I am no fan of Assad, but the alternative is no better either. Its like choosen between cnacer and malaria. Assad is the malaria here.

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