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A lot of the trolls on this forum know very little about current affairs behind 180 second reports they see on CNN, Al-Jazeera or some other western-controlled propaganda channel.
Many of them view Erdogan as some sort of great "Islamic" leader.
Turkey is run by America. Erdogan is simply one of many assets that the Americans have.
The Americans (globalists) are accelerating their homosexualization campaign through out the world including the "Muslim world".
This is why for example the HDP (secular left, Kurdish nationalist party) in Turkey is very overtly promoting homosexuality in the elections tomorrow. Erdogan as a tool of America has to do the same of course.
The article is from last year.
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Pro-Erdogan LGBT individuals get organized in Turkey
Turkish Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan’s Aug. 3 rally in Istanbul marked a first for the country: LGBT supporters of the ruling Justice and Development Party (AKP) waved the rainbow flag at the rally in a show of support for Erdogan’s presidential bid.
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Author Rasim Ozan Kutahyali
Posted August 11, 2014
The group, using the Twitter handle Aklgbti, shared pictures from the rally with the following message: “The homosexuals stand with Tayyip Erdogan. We are at the rallies, we are everywhere — get used to it.” A member of the group tweeted, “I waved the rainbow flag in the front rows. Our prime minister must have seen it.”
It was a truly intriguing scene, which Western analysts of Turkey may find difficult to comprehend.
The rainbow flag was first seen fluttering next to AKP members at the inauguration ceremony of the Ankara-Istanbul high-speed train on July 25, which Erdogan attended.
AKP’s former minister for family and women’s affairs, Selma Aliye Kavaf, angered the LGBTI (lesbian, gay, bisexual, transgender and intersexed) community in 2010 when she said homosexuality was “a disease that needs to be cured.” AKP lawmaker Halil Urun, for his part, said, “What does LGBT mean? I don’t know. How am I supposed to know? We are ignorant on this issue.”
Uniting, AKP’s LGBTI supporters aim to break the prejudice in rightist and conservative quarters against LGBTI individuals. The “Pro-AKP LGBTI individuals” group, created on social media on March 30, has 937 followers at the moment.
In an interview with the liberal daily Milliyet, the group’s founder, identified only as Kerem, said: “There are people in our group who are highly influential within the AKP. In the days we created the group, we received a congratulation message from an AKP mayor. And we are in contact not only with the AKP. We have received support also from other LGBTI groups such as the LISTAG group [of families of homosexuals], Hevi LGBTI and the Istanbul LGBTT Solidarity Association. As a homosexual who votes for the AKP, I have been offended and saddened by statements AKP lawmakers make. Hence, our goal is to change the perceptions of rightist and conservative quarters who think likewise. People hostile to LGBTI individuals exist in all parties, LGBT-phobic people exist among the conservatives, too.”
That conservative homosexuals got organized via social media after the March 30 local elections and were attending AKP rallies brandishing the rainbow flag comes as yet another indication that Turkey has a complex society that cannot be understood with clichés.
Melih Neseli Gunes, one of the pioneers of the AK LGBTI group, is in a way the leader of this Islamic LGBT movement in Turkey.
In remarks to the Taraf daily, Gunes said they never gave credit to the corruption accusations directed at Erdogan. “We can only accuse him of stealing our hearts,” he said. Gunes explained their group was first launched on Facebook by three people who rejoiced at the AKP’s victory in the March 30 elections, including himself. The group quickly attracted close to 1,000 people, among them doctors, lawyers and imams, he said.
The members of the AKP LGBT group have a great affection for Erdogan. They argue that pious people, Kurds and non-Muslims have all acquired greater freedoms under Erdogan, and believe he is the only leader who can make LGBT individuals freer, too. They are fully confident that Erdogan will undertake LGBT reforms when the time comes.
Yet, they are strongly critical of the AKP’s current LGBT policies. Their objective is to transform the AKP. They say they are not in a hurry, given that even the settlement of the headscarf problem took 10 years.
In remarks to Taraf, a publication which is an avowed Erdogan opponent, group members say it was under the Justice and Development Party that they became able to walk hand-in-hand with lovers in the streets. They see Erdogan as a conservative leader who is libertarian at heart, and believe all social groups will acquire full freedom under Erdogan in the 2014-2019 period.
Gunes argued that a gay pride march would have been unthinkable before Erdogan, whereas today homosexuals hold marches to freely express their identities. “Certainly, the homosexual struggle [for rights] has contributed enormously to the greater freedom homosexuals enjoy today. The government, however, could have taken harsher measures on the issue had it wished so. But it didn’t,” Gunes told Taraf.
The main criticism the group faces is the argument that homosexual and pious lifestyles cannot go together, Gunes said. “Leading a homosexual life may be a sin, but many people are drinkers even though they know alcohol is a sin. What matters is the faith. The tribe of Lot was cursed for perversions such as the rape of children and animals rather than for homosexual sex,” he said.
Asked how they were received at Erdogan’s rally, Gunes said: “The police thought we were Gezi Park activists and mistreated us. Some people mistook our flag for the flag of the PKK [Kurdistan Workers Party]. After we explained who we were, there were only chuckles. In the meantime, however, we met fellow LGBT individuals [who approached us] when they saw us there. We waved our flag right before Erdogan’s eyes. He saw the flag, but said nothing and only smiled. We take it as a positive sign that he said nothing. Thus, we will now keep up the struggle. One of our main projects is to save conservative homosexuals from the environs of ill-minded LGBT people.”
Western observers of Turkey should know that Turkish society is a diverse, multicolored one. Turkey is not a country that clichés can explain. That Islamic LGBT individuals are openly expressing themselves and getting organized to press Erdogan for homosexual rights is yet another indication of Turkey’s complexity.
Read more: http://www.al-monitor.com/pulse/orig...#ixzz3cKl3flhz
1. Erdogan is packaged by the western and other media as some sort of "Islamic" hero.
He is merely an asset of America as are other senior Turkish leaders.
2. He fulfills the western agenda of using Wahabi extremists to slaughter Muslims and destroy Muslim countries (e.g. ISIS), i.e. Al-Qaeda/ISIS and other groups kill Muslims more than any other religious groups and destroy Muslim societies, communities and nations.
However simultaneously he implements the globalist agenda for homosexualization (which will morph away from one just promoting homosexuality but one rejecting traditional sexuality/gender of any type) which is a very, very important part of the globalist agenda.
3. Pro-Erdogan "Islamists"
Pro-Erdogan "Islamists" including some of the abusive trolls on this forum, however are simpletons and follow what their masters in the western media want them to think. They know very little about Turkey and have no real understanding of Turkish history or society.
Thus with these sort of simpletons they will fall for the American-sponsored Erdogan's public rhetoric such as conquering Jerusalem etc.
Homosexualization rhetoric at a HDP rally with Muslim women with headscarves. The middle lady's poster says "Yasasin Lezbiyen ve Translarin" (long live lesbians and transexuals).
LBGT and the AKP. The AKP though presented as an "Islamic" organization merely implements the US, globalist agenda politically, socially and economically.
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Bernard Lewis, thought by some to be one of the key figures behind the neo-Ottoman project.
Many of them view Erdogan as some sort of great "Islamic" leader.
Turkey is run by America. Erdogan is simply one of many assets that the Americans have.
The Americans (globalists) are accelerating their homosexualization campaign through out the world including the "Muslim world".
This is why for example the HDP (secular left, Kurdish nationalist party) in Turkey is very overtly promoting homosexuality in the elections tomorrow. Erdogan as a tool of America has to do the same of course.
The article is from last year.
*******
Pro-Erdogan LGBT individuals get organized in Turkey
Turkish Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan’s Aug. 3 rally in Istanbul marked a first for the country: LGBT supporters of the ruling Justice and Development Party (AKP) waved the rainbow flag at the rally in a show of support for Erdogan’s presidential bid.
.
Author Rasim Ozan Kutahyali
Posted August 11, 2014
The group, using the Twitter handle Aklgbti, shared pictures from the rally with the following message: “The homosexuals stand with Tayyip Erdogan. We are at the rallies, we are everywhere — get used to it.” A member of the group tweeted, “I waved the rainbow flag in the front rows. Our prime minister must have seen it.”
It was a truly intriguing scene, which Western analysts of Turkey may find difficult to comprehend.
The rainbow flag was first seen fluttering next to AKP members at the inauguration ceremony of the Ankara-Istanbul high-speed train on July 25, which Erdogan attended.
AKP’s former minister for family and women’s affairs, Selma Aliye Kavaf, angered the LGBTI (lesbian, gay, bisexual, transgender and intersexed) community in 2010 when she said homosexuality was “a disease that needs to be cured.” AKP lawmaker Halil Urun, for his part, said, “What does LGBT mean? I don’t know. How am I supposed to know? We are ignorant on this issue.”
Uniting, AKP’s LGBTI supporters aim to break the prejudice in rightist and conservative quarters against LGBTI individuals. The “Pro-AKP LGBTI individuals” group, created on social media on March 30, has 937 followers at the moment.
In an interview with the liberal daily Milliyet, the group’s founder, identified only as Kerem, said: “There are people in our group who are highly influential within the AKP. In the days we created the group, we received a congratulation message from an AKP mayor. And we are in contact not only with the AKP. We have received support also from other LGBTI groups such as the LISTAG group [of families of homosexuals], Hevi LGBTI and the Istanbul LGBTT Solidarity Association. As a homosexual who votes for the AKP, I have been offended and saddened by statements AKP lawmakers make. Hence, our goal is to change the perceptions of rightist and conservative quarters who think likewise. People hostile to LGBTI individuals exist in all parties, LGBT-phobic people exist among the conservatives, too.”
That conservative homosexuals got organized via social media after the March 30 local elections and were attending AKP rallies brandishing the rainbow flag comes as yet another indication that Turkey has a complex society that cannot be understood with clichés.
Melih Neseli Gunes, one of the pioneers of the AK LGBTI group, is in a way the leader of this Islamic LGBT movement in Turkey.
In remarks to the Taraf daily, Gunes said they never gave credit to the corruption accusations directed at Erdogan. “We can only accuse him of stealing our hearts,” he said. Gunes explained their group was first launched on Facebook by three people who rejoiced at the AKP’s victory in the March 30 elections, including himself. The group quickly attracted close to 1,000 people, among them doctors, lawyers and imams, he said.
The members of the AKP LGBT group have a great affection for Erdogan. They argue that pious people, Kurds and non-Muslims have all acquired greater freedoms under Erdogan, and believe he is the only leader who can make LGBT individuals freer, too. They are fully confident that Erdogan will undertake LGBT reforms when the time comes.
Yet, they are strongly critical of the AKP’s current LGBT policies. Their objective is to transform the AKP. They say they are not in a hurry, given that even the settlement of the headscarf problem took 10 years.
In remarks to Taraf, a publication which is an avowed Erdogan opponent, group members say it was under the Justice and Development Party that they became able to walk hand-in-hand with lovers in the streets. They see Erdogan as a conservative leader who is libertarian at heart, and believe all social groups will acquire full freedom under Erdogan in the 2014-2019 period.
Gunes argued that a gay pride march would have been unthinkable before Erdogan, whereas today homosexuals hold marches to freely express their identities. “Certainly, the homosexual struggle [for rights] has contributed enormously to the greater freedom homosexuals enjoy today. The government, however, could have taken harsher measures on the issue had it wished so. But it didn’t,” Gunes told Taraf.
The main criticism the group faces is the argument that homosexual and pious lifestyles cannot go together, Gunes said. “Leading a homosexual life may be a sin, but many people are drinkers even though they know alcohol is a sin. What matters is the faith. The tribe of Lot was cursed for perversions such as the rape of children and animals rather than for homosexual sex,” he said.
Asked how they were received at Erdogan’s rally, Gunes said: “The police thought we were Gezi Park activists and mistreated us. Some people mistook our flag for the flag of the PKK [Kurdistan Workers Party]. After we explained who we were, there were only chuckles. In the meantime, however, we met fellow LGBT individuals [who approached us] when they saw us there. We waved our flag right before Erdogan’s eyes. He saw the flag, but said nothing and only smiled. We take it as a positive sign that he said nothing. Thus, we will now keep up the struggle. One of our main projects is to save conservative homosexuals from the environs of ill-minded LGBT people.”
Western observers of Turkey should know that Turkish society is a diverse, multicolored one. Turkey is not a country that clichés can explain. That Islamic LGBT individuals are openly expressing themselves and getting organized to press Erdogan for homosexual rights is yet another indication of Turkey’s complexity.
Read more: http://www.al-monitor.com/pulse/orig...#ixzz3cKl3flhz
1. Erdogan is packaged by the western and other media as some sort of "Islamic" hero.
He is merely an asset of America as are other senior Turkish leaders.
2. He fulfills the western agenda of using Wahabi extremists to slaughter Muslims and destroy Muslim countries (e.g. ISIS), i.e. Al-Qaeda/ISIS and other groups kill Muslims more than any other religious groups and destroy Muslim societies, communities and nations.
However simultaneously he implements the globalist agenda for homosexualization (which will morph away from one just promoting homosexuality but one rejecting traditional sexuality/gender of any type) which is a very, very important part of the globalist agenda.
3. Pro-Erdogan "Islamists"
Pro-Erdogan "Islamists" including some of the abusive trolls on this forum, however are simpletons and follow what their masters in the western media want them to think. They know very little about Turkey and have no real understanding of Turkish history or society.
Thus with these sort of simpletons they will fall for the American-sponsored Erdogan's public rhetoric such as conquering Jerusalem etc.
Homosexualization rhetoric at a HDP rally with Muslim women with headscarves. The middle lady's poster says "Yasasin Lezbiyen ve Translarin" (long live lesbians and transexuals).
LBGT and the AKP. The AKP though presented as an "Islamic" organization merely implements the US, globalist agenda politically, socially and economically.
...
Bernard Lewis, thought by some to be one of the key figures behind the neo-Ottoman project.
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