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    Yemen is suffering turmoil and is being seen as the scene of a turf war between Iran and Saudi.


    Torn Yemen bleeds in Saudi-Iran proxy war: analysts
    By AFP

    PUBLISHED: 13:00, 16 March 2015 | UPDATED: 13:01, 16 March 2015


    Torn between a north controlled by Shiite rebels and a south dominated by the embattled president's allies, Yemen is mired in a proxy war between Iran and Saudi Arabia, analysts say.

    The struggle threatens to push the impoverished Arabian Peninsula state further towards the abyss as the Sunni-Shiite sectarian divide grows wider.

    Amid the chaos, Al-Qaeda militants are closing ranks with tribes of fellow Sunni Muslims to counter the expansion of the Shiite Huthi rebels.



    Yemeni Shiite rebels sit in the back of a pick up truck as they drive near the state television compound in Sanaa, on September 21, 2014 ©Mohammed Huwais (AFP)

    In an unprecedented show of force, the Iran-backed Huthis, who overran the capital Sanaa unopposed in September, last week staged military exercises near the border with Sunni-heavyweight Saudi Arabia.

    "In the face of Iran's Shiite expansionism, Sunni solidarity is building, led by Saudi Arabia," one diplomat who requested anonymity told AFP.

    The kingdom to the north has always played a prominent role in Yemeni politics.

    It hosted negotiations that helped end a year of deadly nationwide protests and led to a deal that eased out president Ali Abdullah Saleh in 2012.

    And following a request by President Abedrabbo Mansour Hadi, Riyadh is again poised to broker talks aimed at ending Yemen's latest political impasse.

    - Tehran warning -


    When Hadi fled Huthi-imposed house arrest in Sanaa in February and resurfaced in Aden, Saudi Arabia was the first country to transfer its embassy there, in an open display of support for the beleaguered leader.

    Tehran has openly denounced moves to make the southern port Yemen's temporary capital.

    "Sanaa is the official and historical capital of Yemen and those in Aden who back disintegration or civil war are responsible for the consequences," Iran's deputy foreign minister Hossein Amir Abdollahian said last week.

    He charged that Hadi, who once he reached Aden retracted a resignation tendered under duress in Sanaa, "would have done better to stay in Sanaa and keep to his resignation letter and not lead the country into crisis".

    April Longley Alley, Yemen specialist at the International Crisis Group, argues that Tehran has received a "huge political return for very little investment".

    "As Saudi Arabia hardens its stance against the Huthis and seeks to roll back their gains, the Huthis are likely to seek closer ties with countries like Iran," she said.

    This Tehran-Riyadh struggle is "both complicating and amplifying conflict in Yemen," she said.

    Saudi Arabia fears that the Huthis, who swept down from the north and expanded the area they control to the shores of the Red Sea, now have their sights set on the strategic Bab al-Mandab strait.

    This would give Iran proxy control over the key waterway to and from the Suez Canal, adding to its already strong presence in the Gulf's Strait of Hormuz through which much of the world's oil passes.

    - Saudi switch -


    Fearing the rise of extremist Sunni Islamists, especially the Muslim Brotherhood, Riyadh stopped backing Yemen's Al-Islah (Reform) party, thus giving the Huthis the upper hand, according to Lina Khatib, director of the Carnegie Middle East Centre.

    "At one point Saudi Arabia favoured a Huthi domination (along the border) instead of the Muslim Brotherhood. Its role in Yemen then diminished, encouraging the Huthis to advance" south and seize large amounts of territory within weeks, she said.

    The Huthi-run Saba news agency reported on Thursday that Iran will provide Yemen with crude oil for one year, and also establish a 165-megawatt power plant.

    The agreement was made during a Huthi visit to the Islamic republic after an Iranian commercial flight landed in Sanaa on March 1 -- the first in many years and the fruit of an aviation accord with Tehran.

    The Huthis insist that Iran does not meddle in Yemeni affairs.

    "We've said it clearly: we reject all interference in our internal affairs, whether from Saudi Arabia, Iran or the United States," Huthi spokesman Mohammed Abdulsalam told AFP.

    He accused Saudi Arabia of seeking to "create chaos" in Yemen.

    "The risk of civil war or partition in Yemen" is increasingly raised in political circles, Khatib said.

    Mohammad Sadeh Sadqian, head of the Centre for Arab Studies in Tehran, warned that the Saudi-Iran struggle for influence, already clear in Iraq and Syria, could have consequences elsewhere.

    The struggle "could engulf other countries" if Riyadh and Tehran "do not sit around one table and discuss openly all points of dispute," he said.



    Yemeni tribesmen from the Awlaki clan gather in the southern Shabwa province to oppose the takeover of Sanaa by Shiite Huthi militants on February 19, 2015



    Yemeni protesters hold portraits of Ahmed Ali Abdullah Saleh during a demonstration in Sanaa, on March 13, 2015

    Torn between a north controlled by Shiite rebels and a south dominated by the embattled president's allies, Yemen is mired in a proxy war between Iran and Sa...



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    The Yemen crisis is making Saudi Arabia very nervous and jittery.

    In fact many Saudis have Yemeni blood or connections and there are tribal connections transcending the borders.

    I hope Yemen becomes stable insha'Allah and not another victim of outside players and their power games.
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  • #2
    I would love to know more about Yemen and its culture, after all, its the original homeland of Arabs. Reading negative bits about "Islamists" and "terrorists" bores me after a while.

    Anybody who knows a bit about this country wanna chime in?
    "Revenge is a dish best served cold".

    -Old Pashtun proverb




    "My Pashtun Pride i will not hide!"

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    • #3
      Kushan,

      I don't know much about Yemen unlike others here, who might be able to provide us with more information.

      This is the little I know.

      - They are a very tribal society (like the old Pashtuns).

      - They are very martial and every man carries a gun.

      - They like Qat





      - The country is very diverse with the guys living in the coast quite different to the people in the mountains. Some of the coastal guys are mixed with Indian and other blood.

      There are Sunnis but also around 1/3 or more Zaydi Shias.

      The country used to be two states before, north and south Yemen but then they re-unified a few decades back.

      I have also personally sat next to the British Yemeni boxer, Nasseem Hamed, in a mosque a few years back, we didn't speak.



      That's all for now.
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        • #5
          Originally posted by Bengal_Tiger View Post
          Kushan,

          I don't know much about Yemen unlike others here, who might be able to provide us with more information.

          This is the little I know.

          - They are a very tribal society (like the old Pashtuns).

          - They are very martial and every man carries a gun.

          - They like Qat





          - The country is very diverse with the guys living in the coast quite different to the people in the mountains. Some of the coastal guys are mixed with Indian and other blood.

          There are Sunnis but also around 1/3 or more Zaydi Shias.

          The country used to be two states before, north and south Yemen but then they re-unified a few decades back.

          I have also personally sat next to the British Yemeni boxer, Nasseem Hamed, in a mosque a few years back, we didn't speak.



          That's all for now.
          Hmmm Interesting. It seems Yemen has attracted a lot of traders in the past who have now integrated into Yemeni society it seems. I heard that the pure Yemenis are in the northern mountainous areas compared to the south which is more diverse.

          I have also personally sat next to the British Yemeni boxer, Nasseem Hamed, in a mosque a few years back, we didn't speak.
          Naseem was a beast back in his prime. I knew he was Arab but had no idea that he was Yemeni!
          "Revenge is a dish best served cold".

          -Old Pashtun proverb




          "My Pashtun Pride i will not hide!"

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          • #6
            Originally posted by Kushan Prince View Post
            Hmmm Interesting. It seems Yemen has attracted a lot of traders in the past who have now integrated into Yemeni society it seems. I heard that the pure Yemenis are in the northern mountainous areas compared to the south which is more diverse.



            Naseem was a beast back in his prime. I knew he was Arab but had no idea that he was Yemeni!
            Yes, quite a few Yemenis are of mixed origin.
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            • #7
              Yemeni Jews:



              Edit: Second picture is regular Yemenis from the mountains not Jews.



              The scholar Imam Malik was of Yemeni origin and of non-Arab origin, Himyari.

              He is said to have blue eyes and - if I remember correctly - blondish or at least brownish hair.
              Last edited by Bengal_Tiger; 03-16-2015, 07:56 PM.
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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Bengal_Tiger View Post
                  Yemeni Jews:





                  The scholar Imam Malik was of Yemeni origin and of non-Arab origin, Himyari.

                  He is said to have blue eyes and - if I remember correctly - blondish or at least brownish hair.
                  Aren't Yemeni Jews just Judaized Arabs?
                  "Revenge is a dish best served cold".

                  -Old Pashtun proverb




                  "My Pashtun Pride i will not hide!"

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Kushan Prince View Post
                    Aren't Yemeni Jews just Judaized Arabs?
                    Don't know.

                    What I do know is this.

                    1. Original Jews were Semites.

                    2. There were Jews in Medina, in the very heart of Arabia.

                    3. Quite a few Arabs are descendants of Islamized/Arabized Jews.

                    I read once that prior to Islam, Judaism was the second biggest religion in Iraq. Iraq is where Babylon was and the old Hebrews migrated to.

                    Many of these Iraqi Jews may have converted to Islam.

                    With the creation of Israel in 1948 the middle eastern countries which had been the home of Jews for millenia e.g. Iraq since the Babylonian captivity saw the destruction of Jewish communities by mass migration to Israel, where they are in some ways second class citizens in relation to white European Jews that control the country.
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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Bengal_Tiger View Post
                      Don't know.

                      What I do know is this.

                      1. Original Jews were Semites.

                      2. There were Jews in Medina, in the very heart of Arabia.

                      3. Quite a few Arabs are descendants of Islamized/Arabized Jews.

                      I read once that prior to Islam, Judaism was the second biggest religion in Iraq. Iraq is where Babylon was and the old Hebrews migrated to.

                      Many of these Iraqi Jews may have converted to Islam.

                      With the creation of Israel in 1948 the middle eastern countries which had been the home of Jews for millenia e.g. Iraq since the Babylonian captivity so the destruction of Jewish communities by mass migration to Israel, where they are in some ways second class citizens in relation to white European Jews that control the country.
                      I did some quick research and apparently there was jewish kingdom in yemen called the "Himyarite Kingdom" who were of native arab stock. Apparently one of the arab kings there converted to Islam. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Himyarite_Kingdom

                      I heard Jews originally came from Iraq. Also Imam Malik was Arab, his tribe was Al-Abashi who were of Qathanite origin.
                      "Revenge is a dish best served cold".

                      -Old Pashtun proverb




                      "My Pashtun Pride i will not hide!"

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Kushan Prince View Post
                        I did some quick research and apparently there was jewish kingdom in yemen called the "Himyarite Kingdom" who were of native arab stock. Apparently one of the arab kings there converted to Islam. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Himyarite_Kingdom

                        I heard Jews originally came from Iraq. Also Imam Malik was Arab, his tribe was Al-Abashi who were of Qathanite origin.
                        You might be read but I was told verbally by someone that he is Himyari, not an important point for me, I could be totally wrong.



                        He is Malik Ibn Anas Ibn Malik Al-Ashbahi Al-Himyari. He was born on year 93 Hijri in Medina.


                        Elsewhere yes it does say that his lineage goes back to the Qahtanis.

                        The Himaryis are supposed to be non-Arabs who speak a Semitic language related to but not the same as Arabic.

                        I will ask my friend next time I see him. Not a major issue though.

                        According to Al-Muwatta, he was tall, heavyset, imposing of stature, very fair, with white hair and beard but bald, with a huge beard and blue eyes





                        His Appearance: Mutarraf bin 'Abdullah al-Yasaari says that the Imaam was tall, well-built, fair complexion, blond-haired, large-eyes and nose, broad forehead with hardly any hair on it referred as (Asla') in Arabic )



                        By the way the stuff about Imam Malik - thought not relevant - could easily be made up apocryphal nonsense.

                        A lot of early Islamic history is exaggerated, contradictory or just fabricated.
                        Last edited by Bengal_Tiger; 03-16-2015, 08:34 PM.
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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Bengal_Tiger View Post
                          You might be read but I was told verbally by someone that he is Himyari, not an important point for me, I could be totally wrong.







                          Elsewhere yes it does say that his lineage goes back to the Qahtanis.

                          The Himaryis are supposed to be non-Arabs who speak a Semitic language related to but not the same as Arabic.

                          I will ask my friend next time I see him. Not a major issue though.













                          By the way the stuff about Imam Malik - thought not relevant - could easily be made up apocryphal nonsense.

                          A lot of early Islamic history is exaggerated, contradictory or just fabricated.
                          Agreed, not a big issue today.
                          "Revenge is a dish best served cold".

                          -Old Pashtun proverb




                          "My Pashtun Pride i will not hide!"

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                          • #14


                            Sana'a.
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                              Aden.
                              Last edited by Bengal_Tiger; 03-16-2015, 10:43 PM.
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