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  • #16

    Turkey’s lira slides as Erdogan attacks central banker


    Daniel Dombey in Istanbul and Funja Guler in Ankara





    Turkey’s currency hit an all-time low against the dollar on Wednesday following attacks by President Recep Tayyip Erdogan against the country’s central bank governor.


    Last week, after intense pressure for lower interest rates from Mr Erdogan, the central bank cut overnight rates by a bigger than expected 50 basis points to 10.75 per cent. But dissatisfied by the size of the cut, in the last week the Turkish leader suggested that Erdem Basci, central bank governor, was under foreign influence, has equated high interest rates with “selling out the homeland” and told the bank not to accede to the wishes of “western powers”.

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    Amid questions about whether Mr Erdogan was pursuing a strategy of talking the currency lower, it fell below TL2.57 to the dollar in afternoon trade on Wednesday — more than 1 per cent down on the day and 3 per cent lower than last week. The currency has already lost more than a quarter of its value against the dollar in the past two years.

    Even Turks sympathetic to Mr Erdogan’s campaign against high interest rates confess they are bemused by his strategy. “Erdogan is right to ask for a rate cut because petrol prices are falling, but his style is wrong,” said Fatih, a businessman who imports construction equipment. “It is damaging both the country’s image and the economy.”

    There are different schools of thought as to the rationale behind Mr Erdogan’s outspoken criticism of the central bank. The president argues — in defiance of economic theory — that high interest rates cause inflation. He also blames high interest rates for stalled levels of private sector investment. Another case for lower rates, made by Nihat Zeybekci, Mr Erdogan’s economy minister, is that a weaker currency helps exports.
    “They are basically just desperate about growth,” says Murat Ucer at GlobalSource, a consultancy. “The idea is that a low lira and low rates is the way to bring growth back at a rate that is good enough.”
    The problem is a pressing one. Turkey holds a parliamentary election on June 7. When it last went to the polls, in June 2011, it was enjoying its second consecutive year of about 9 per cent growth.


    By contrast, many economists expect 2014 growth of about 2.5-3 per cent — well below the 5 per cent or so needed to absorb new entrants into the labour force. Export figures for January and February showed year-on-year declines. Construction — which Mr Erdogan views as the motor of the economy — is slowing more than gross domestic product as a whole. Consumer spending, largely fuelled by a big increase in domestic debt in recent years, is now more constrained.

    While a weaker lira may help growth, its tumble is far from cost free. At the end of last year, Turkish corporates’ net foreign exchange liabilities stood at $183bn, compared with $28.5bn in 2006. The central bank argues that much of the debt is long term and effectively hedged, often by foreign currency income, but even so Mr Ucer worries that a tumbling lira will make this debt harder to service and may at least hold back companies’ investment.
    He argues that Turkey’s fundamental problem is a lack of progress on structural reform and aversion to orthodox policy, made worse by Mr Erdogan’s attacks on Mr Basci and Ali Babacan, the government’s economic supremo, a childhood friend of the central bank chief. “Basci and Babacan have been a source of relative stability for investors,” Mr Ucer says. “That’s why they are so important.”




    - Turkey's elections are in 3 months time, so over 12 weeks time.

    The Turkish economy, which the Erdogan regime did a good job with in its first years of power, will not deteriorate dramatically in that period for there to be a major crisis, so Erdogan and his AKP (technically as president he is not supposed to support any party, but like other laws he simply ignores them making Turkey somewhat of a banana republic) will probably win and with a big share of the votes.

    He will then go on to making himself a virtual semi-dictator as a "powerful executive president".


    - However in the next few years the Turkish economy may undergo severe crisis and if that is so then in the next elections for the parliament or presidency, Erdogan and his AKP would be voted out.

    The most important thing for Turks is the economy, if Erdogan screws that up, he's out.

    On a personal level, another 4-5 years of Erdogan would not be that bad especially if he does the following:

    - Increases the freedom to practise Islam in Turkey. Turkey is a country with a severely Islamophobic middle class and upper middle-class e.g. in some companies you can't fast Ramadan.

    - Ends the Ataturk religion, where Ataturk is worshipped as basically a demi-god, where people can be imprisoned for criticizing Ataturk, and where children are brainwashed to revere this alcoholic dictator.

    - Ends the suffering of Kurds.



    Picture of dictator, Mustafa Kemal "Ataturk" on the left in an Alevi temple in Turkey.

    However if he does that within 4-5 years and makes these things irreversible and then goes that would suit someone like me or the many who follow my beliefs and values.

    "Neo-Ottomanism" however, besides the Balkans whom the original Ottomanism primarily served (white Balkan Muslims had a privileged position in the Ottoman empire), is unacceptable.
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    • #17
      London-based magazine shut down by hackers after criticising Turkish President Erdogan


      The World Weekly was targetted by hackers after publishing an article critical of the Turkish government


      A UK-based magazine was targetted by hackers after publishing an article which criticised the increasing authoritarianism of the Turkish government.

      Shortly after publishing an article highlighting how Turkey’s President Recep Tayyip Erdogan has cracked down on democracy and threatens secularism, The World Weekly was subjected to abusive comments branding the magazine ‘the enemy’, ‘liars’, and ‘gutter press’, and telling it ‘not to mess with us’.

      The article was also criticised by the Turkish Islamist daily newspaper Yeni Akit, which has close ties to Mr Erdogan.
      The World Weekly’s website was also made inaccessible for several hours last week after what is believed to have been a DDoS hacker attack (distributed denial of service).

      Commenting on the suspected hack, editor-in-chief of The World Weekly Salman Shaheen said the magazine “will not be silenced or intimidated”.

      “It is essential in a free society that we have a free press willing, where necessary, to speak truth to power responsibly. We frequently publish articles that objectively analyse – and indeed criticise – the actions of numerous administrations wether left or right, religious or secular. We cannot be 100 per cent certain it was Mr Erdogan’s supporters who attacked our website, but whoever it is that took exception to our content, we will not cease in our attempts to highlight the key issues affecting the ever more interconnected world in which we live.

      “While many Turkish commenters criticised The World Weekly, assuming it has a Western bias, many others supported its findings. It is in fact our commitment to breaking through Western bias and reporting on international issues in an impartial way that has provoked such an intense debate in Turkey and we intend to go on provoking such debates around the world.”

      The Turkish government recently tightened the screws on internet freedom, with new restrictions introduced in Sepember that allow for websites to be blocked if their content is ruled a threat to public order or national security. During a speech to the United Nations last year, Erdogan said he was “increasingly against the internet every day”.



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      • #18
        Turkish boy on trial for allegedly insulting Erdogan



        Al JazeeraAl Jazeera – 6 hours ago

        Turkish boy on trial for allegedly insulting Erdogan

        Al Jazeera - Turkish boy on trial for allegedly insulting Erdogan
        The trial of a 16-year-old boy charged with insulting Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan has been delayed shortly after it began, following his lawyer's request for new judges.
        An attorney defending the teen, Mehmet Emin Altunses, disagreed with the court's decision to try the case behind closed doors and asked for the justices to be replaced, Dogan news agency reported.
        The judges halted the trial about 15 minutes after it started on Friday and adjourned the case until April 3.
        Altunses was arrested in December in the middle of lessons at school after he accused Erdogan of being the "chief of theft, bribery and corruption" in comments at a student protest in the central Konya province.
        A court released the boy pending trial amid accusations his detention was the latest sign of a lurch to authoritarianism under Erdogan. Altunses faces up to four years in jail if convicted.

        A small group of supporters, including classmates, opposition lawmakers and activists, staged a protest in support of the boy outside the court on Friday in Konya, Dogan said.
        The authorities are hugely sensitive to allegations of corruption following claims against key government members and Erdogan's inner circle that broke in December 2013.
        The opposition accuses the authorities of setting up a cult of personality around Erdogan, who became president in August after over a decade as prime minister.
        The government has recently stepped up arrests of people accused of personally insulting Erdogan, detaining an increasing number of Turks from students to celebrities.
        Former Miss Turkey beauty queen Merve Buyuksarac faces up to four and a half years in jail over an Instagram feed that prosecutors deem to be insulting to Erdogan - the latest of such cases.

        The latest news and headlines from Yahoo! News. Get breaking news stories and in-depth coverage with videos and photos.
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        • #19
          Turkey's dangerous game risks financial chaos

          Nyshka Chandran


          CNBC.com


          The Turkish government is playing a dangerous political game that risks hitting the country with a full-blown currency crisis and ratings downgrade, experts warn.

          Over the past week, Turkish President Tayyip Erdogan's administration has lashed out at the central bank, urging it to aggressively lower interest rates to shore up economic growth ahead of general elections in June. The political pressure has troubled investors, sending the lira to an all-time low of 2.6290 per dollar on Thursday, the third straight day of record declines.

          Erdogan's demands come after the Central Bank of the Republic of Turkey (CBRT) lowered benchmark rates last month, its second cut since December. While the CBRT has been under pressure to ease policy for years, markets are worried recent scathing attacks could spell the end of the central bank's independence.

          "The CBRT's dovishness has coincided with a period of intense political pressures, which has only bolstered the market's skepticism regarding central bank independence and credibility," stated Barclays analysts in a note.

          "There's nothing wrong with a collaborative policy between government and central banks, but this type of confrontation undermines the CBRT's authority. It's also counterproductive as it doesn't translate into macro stability," said Vishnu Varathan, senior economist at Mizuho Bank.

          Turkish Prime Minister Ahmet Davutoglu attempted to reassure investors on Thursday, stating that the country's central bank remains independent: "There is no need to worry about Turkey's institutional set-up," he told the Council on Foreign Relations in New York.

          Lira in freefall

          The market has taken a dim view of Erdogan's encroachment into monetary policy and the risk is that he could stir a currency crisis, said Kathleen Brooks, research director at FOREX.com in a note on Thursday. All eyes are now on what the central bank does at the next policy meeting on March 17th.
          "It seems like the market is only interested in one direction when it comes to the lira, and that is lower," Brooks said. "If the central bank governor does resign in the coming days, or bows to pressure from the government, then this could trigger another leg higher for USDTRY."


          Barclays agreed that the lira's selloff will only get worse if the central bank does yield to Erdogan: "The potentially aggressive interest rates cuts would keep real rates subdued, even though inflation is expected to fall over the coming months, eroding the currency's attractiveness."


          With losses of 10 percent against the greenback since January, the lira is one of the world's worst-performing currencies this year.

          If it continues to weaken, Turkey's gross external debt will become more expensive to service. "Although overall public debt levels remain low at 36.6 percent, external debts denominated in foreign currency have risen, which leaves the country vulnerable to a currency crisis," Brooks continued.

          Downgrade on the cards

          Continued confrontation between the government and central bank increases the risks of Turkey losing its investment grade status over the next few months, according to Barclays.

          "The pressures on the CBRT to cut interest rates will likely heighten concerns about checks and balances, policy predictability and broader political risks in Turkey, which had been cited as source of downward pressure on Turkey's rating by both Fitch and Moody's," the bank said.

          Consequently, it recommends investors take a more cautious approach toward Turkey despite the country being a major beneficiary of falling commodity prices.

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          • #20
            Turkey's Wall Street is in 'panic mode'

            LINETTE LOPEZ

            MAR. 6, 2015, 8:39 PM 1,693 1



            On Thursday Citigroup announced that it would pull up and leave Turkey's second largest bank, selling its almost 10% stake in Akbank TAS at an $800 million loss.

            That tells you something about how quickly the bank wanted to leave. It had held the investment for 7 years.

            "It has been a rough year or two for Turkey’s financial sector," Dr. Jonathan Schanzer, vice president of research at the Foundation for Defense of Democracies and a former counterterrorism analyst for the US Treasury Department, told Business Insider in an email. "This explains why Davutoglu made a surprise visit to New York. He was trying to placate nervous bankers and investors. He didn’t even tell the State Department he was coming. The Turks appear to be in panic mode."

            Deltec International Group, an investment firm, now considers Turkey one of the emerging economies most at risk because of its high current account deficit, low foreign exchange reserves, short term external debt, and weak domestic demand.

            That means it's filing Turkey in the same catastrophe cabinet as Russia and Venezuela. From the start of 2015, the Turkish lira is down over 10% and slid to a fresh record low this week.

            "The fact that Citi wanted to sell earlier than planned could be a bad indication for the markets," Cagdas Dogan of BGC Partners told Bloomberg. "It sort of implies that they expect them to keep on falling."

            A large part of the problem with Turkey is its politics.

            Once upon a time, President Recep Tayyip Erdogan was expected to be a democratic, market-friendly leader. No longer. Many analysts are concerned that he's dictating Central Bank policy. As the lira fell this week, members of his cabinet took to television to remain calm, insisting that the lira would "find its own balance."

            In the same breath, Economy Minister Nihat Zeybekci blamed the Central Bank for the lira's woes, saying that it had not raised interest rates enough.



            turkish lira chart

            The lira, year to date down 10.56%

            If these problems aren't enough, consider also that Turkey is still in the midst of a massive corruption scandal involving some nasty alleged financial crimes, including a gold-for-oil exchange with sanctioned Iran.

            Additionally, the head of the country's state owned bank, Halkbank, was forced to resign for this scandal back in 2013, and a report in March of 2014 showed that Halkbank processed cash transfers to Iran.

            Around the same time, the US Federal Reserve shut down the US retail accounts of another Turkish state-owned bank, Ziraat Bank, for unexplainable irregularities.

            Last, but certainly not least, of all these things is the impact of Syria's ongoing civil war.

            "...multiple reports suggest that extremist financiers may be operating on Turkish soil, with the goal of bankrolling groups like JN [Jabat al Nusra] and IS [the Islamic State], among others," said a report by the Center on Sanctions and Illicit Finance. "The financial facilitators hail primarily from Gulf countries, notably Qatar and Kuwait, and meet with radical groups in Turkey and support their efforts. One financial network of Kuwaiti donors was described by the Treasury Department in an October 2012 designation. The Treasury noted that funds were transferred to jihadists through intermediaries in Turkey."



            Read more: http://uk.businessinsider.com/turkey...#ixzz3TnJTfNDE
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            • #21
              Firm ordered to dismiss employee for insulting Erdoğan on Facebook




              A cleaning firm which ignored an instruction fromc the governor’s office to fire a staff member for criticizing Erdoğan on Facebook has lost the tender to renew their contract, and the new firm dismissed the offending employee upon arrival.

              Firm ordered to dismiss employee for insulting Erdoğan on Facebook


              A female cleaner’s criticism of President Recep Tayyip Erdoğan and Prime Minister Ahmet Davutoğlu on her own private Facebook page has cost both her and her firm their jobs.

              Employed at the cleaning department of the Public Health Directorate in the northwestern province of Çanakkale, the employee, identified only by her initials A.S. for her safety, had posted comments that not only criticized Erdoğan and Davutoğlu but also the administration’s policies and alleged government corruption. Her critical posts were brought to the attention of the Ministry of Health by an anonymous tip, eventually reaching the Public Health Directorate of the Çanakkale Governor’s Office which prepared an official directive demanding her dismissal.

              The directive, prepared by Dr. Burhan Kütük and stamped as ‘classified,’ singled out A.S. by name, brought up “her comments regarding our President and Prime Minister on Facebook” and demanded the contract firm “do what is needed.” The order also included printouts of her offending posts.

              Unwilling to dismiss the cleaner upon receiving the order, the cleaning firm consulted with lawyer Mehmet Bülent Ötkün who told them, “This request is a violation of not just the articles detailing free speech in the European Convention on Human Rights, but also of several precedents set by [European Court of Human Rights] rulings.”

              Meanwhile, the cleaning firm which refused to fire the employee lost the tender to renew its contract with the Public Health Directorate, and the new company which won the contract fired A.S., according to employees at the old firm.

              March 9, 2015 | BGNNews.com | İstanbul

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              • #22
                Erdogan is one stupid biatch. I hope his time will end soon.

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                • #23
                  Erdogan's methods are a bit draconian but, I think he's been very effective as a leader. I hope he restores the Old Ottoman guard, it'll be the only way Turkey will get its self esteem back.

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                  • #24
                    Originally posted by Brown Skinned Savage View Post
                    Erdogan's methods are a bit draconian but, I think he's been very effective as a leader. I hope he restores the Old Ottoman guard, it'll be the only way Turkey will get its self esteem back.
                    Erdogan has achieved many great things e.g. economic improvement (though a lot of the Turkish growth has been based on credit and borrowing, which some say may burst in the next few years), however he is the leader of Turks and has been voted by them.

                    Libyans, Egyptians, Iraqis, Bangladeshis, Syrians and others have never voted for him or asked him to destabilize their countries and back terrorists.

                    He has never been asked by anyone to fulfill the role of "leadership" in the middle east.

                    Imagine Ghani telling people in Pakistan, Kashmir, Muslims in India, central Asia and China's Xianjiang as the head of Afghanistan he is the successor to Ahmed Shah Abdali (rahmatullahi 'alaih) who defended Islam in China and India and is thus the leader of Muslims in central Asia and the sub-continent.

                    No one would accept it.

                    Ghani is merely the head of the current state of Afghanistan and Erdogan is merely the leader of the current Republic of Turkey and not a neo-Ottoman Sultan despite his aspirations.

                    Imagine Erdogan supplying Dostum in Afghanistan with a huge amount of arms as he is a Turk (Turkic Uzbek) and Dostum and his fighters slaughtering innocent Afghans, this is akin to what the Erdogan regime have done in Turkey and Libya.
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                    • #25
                      Thanks for your propaganda ministering but I can think for myself.

                      I think Erdogan's done a terrific job in balancing between the different potential threats he faces, both not setting off a Wahhabi backlash while standing up against Asad helping The Syrian uprising.

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                      • #26
                        Originally posted by Brown Skinned Savage View Post
                        Thanks for your propaganda ministering but I can think for myself.

                        I think Erdogan's done a terrific job in balancing between the different potential threats he faces, both not setting off a Wahhabi backlash while standing up against Asad helping The Syrian uprising.
                        Propaganda is when selective information is cherry picked to direct the audience to have a certain view or opinion, purposefully omitting other relevant facts which would turn people away from the ideology/view being promoted.

                        Discussion is when I present arguments and facts in response to what you have just said.

                        Nobody said you can't think for yourself and I have never denounced Erdogan as totally bad but repeatedly mentioned his strengths.



                        Here are some facts:

                        - Libya has complained about him, supporting pro-Muslim Brotherhood forces and destabilizing their country.

                        - Egypt has complained about him and carried out sanctions and other measures against his regime.

                        - Iraq is upset with the way his regime disrespects their territorial integrity by dealing with Iraqi Kurdistan as if it as an independent state.

                        - Bangladesh was unhappy with the Erdogan regime when he made ignorant and offensive comments about trials there.


                        I have never said Erdogan is totally bad, but Erdogan supporters must also admit he is not totally good.

                        Erdogan needs to realize he has been voted by citizens of Turkey and has never received a vote from people outside of Turkey and has no right to cause trouble in foreign lands.
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                        • #27
                          "Propaganda is when selective information is cherry picked to direct the audience to have a certain view or opinion"


                          Exactly; and that's what I observe in a large number of your posts that I've read so far. You add an abundance of your own personal commentary instead of letting a reader decide how they're supposed to make of the facts.

                          Luckily barely anyone comes to this forum, you're yelling in an echo chamber.

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                          • #28
                            Originally posted by Brown Skinned Savage View Post
                            "Propaganda is when selective information is cherry picked to direct the audience to have a certain view or opinion"


                            Exactly; and that's what I observe in a large number of your posts that I've read so far. You add an abundance of your own personal commentary instead of letting a reader decide how they're supposed to make of the facts.

                            Luckily barely anyone comes to this forum, you're yelling in an echo chamber.
                            This thread is about Erdogan and not me.

                            I noticed your post did not mention anything about the Erdogan regime or the facts I've pointed out in reference to his destabilization of Muslim countries, which many governments and people have complained.

                            I am free to add my commentary and people are free to disagree with it and add their own commentary disagreeing with it and exposing me if I'm wrong.
                            This is the internet age and people can easily find information that refutes me and then present it. That's not just "ok" or "fine" it's actually very healthy.

                            What I object to is when people personalize issues or insult me personally or carry out ad hominem attacks.

                            I am also free to ignore those who I wish to.

                            This forum is a very successful forum with over 1,000 readers a day. There are many silent readers or "lurkers". Far more people come and visit this site than they actually do to many one-man blogs, some of which can actually be quite influential.

                            The fact that you contradict yourself by saying you've read my personal commentary and then saying no one reads this forum is ironic, since if no one reads it you wouldn't be reading either.

                            On-topic

                            Anyway all of the above is off-topic and people here often start to personalize things and criticize the poster and not the content.

                            In terms of Erdogan himself, he and his regime really to understand the neo-Ottoman ideology of theirs and their masters in Washington DC and Virginia Langley is never going to work.

                            Erdogan needs to respect other Muslim countries and nations and work in co-operation with them and not confrontation.

                            He will most likely win the elections in a few months and cement his power.

                            I personally hope he does continue as leader so he can combat the virulent Islamophobia amongst urban middle class Turks and make Turkey a more Islam-friendly country, as well as resolve the Kurdish issue.

                            However he should stop his campaign against other Muslim countries.
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                            • #29
                              Yes it's about Erdogan; but since you seemingly keep trying to STEER people's opinion and fill everything with YOUR commentary rather than let people decide for themselves YOU inject yourself into issue of Erdogan. So it's important to address your Propaganda Ministering in the mix, because it turns off readers to this site. You're using 2003 Methods in 2015. It's a new era sir, we've caught up.

                              I've already dealt with Erdogan in other posts, your counter reply was an irrelevant emotional ploy which had no real support behind it than your own political agenda, hence propaganda ministering.

                              And actually the site has actually diminished in traffic over the last year according to Many traffic stat sites like Alexa.com; there are only 78 visitors per day, only 39 of them are unique vistors, for a site like this. Which is actually very poor. If you consider ad revenue depends on site clicks. As I said you're yelling into an echo chamber. I wouldn't be surprised if you actually drove the traffic down.

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                              • #30
                                Originally posted by Brown Skinned Savage View Post
                                Yes it's about Erdogan; but since you seemingly keep trying to STEER people's opinion and fill everything with YOUR commentary rather than let people decide for themselves YOU inject yourself into issue of Erdogan. So it's important to address your Propaganda Ministering in the mix, because it turns off readers to this site. You're using 2003 Methods in 2015. It's a new era sir, we've caught up.

                                I've already dealt with Erdogan in other posts, your counter reply was an irrelevant emotional ploy which had no real support behind it than your own political agenda, hence propaganda ministering.

                                And actually the site has actually diminished in traffic over the last year according to Many traffic stat sites like Alexa.com; there are only 78 visitors per day, only 39 of them are unique vistors, for a site like this. Which is actually very poor. If you consider ad revenue depends on site clicks. As I said you're yelling into an echo chamber. I wouldn't be surprised if you actually drove the traffic down.
                                - No comment about Erdogan and his destabilization of other Muslim countries.

                                - No real knowledge on Erdogan besides some superficial impressions, and no real knowledge of Turkish society.

                                - Just a long personal attack basically trying to tell me to leave this site.

                                I have no choice but to place this troll on ignore as I have tried to be polite with him and never personalized anything.

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                                I don't want to fall to this troll's bait of changing the topic but to quickly refute his claims.


                                1. The forum has been here for 5 years and I have been away from it for 2 of those 5 years.

                                2. When I stop posting then other members tag me and ask where I am.

                                3. I have raised Khyberwatch (a Pashtun forum) to its highest level of traffic:



                                This was during my staying away from this forum.

                                4. I am happy to leave this forum if that is the general wish of most people not some troll who is unable to discuss a topic due to his ignorance on it and thus resorts to personal attacks.

                                I was away for 1 month last Ramadan, since Ramadan is the month of spirituality, staying away from arguments and being closer to Allah.

                                5. Pashtun forums is a successful forum and I may start a thread in the future outlining why it is indeed a successful forum. Once again the troll above contradicts himself by saying no one reads Pashtun forums whilst not only does he read it but he is writing.

                                The fact that he - in his own words - reads my posts rather than saying "I don't waste my time even reading your posts", confirms he reads this forum, and my posts and is now responding to them.


                                The best way to deal with trolls is to ignore them as they get a kick out of being given importance or people wasting their time on them or diverting the topic.

                                The topic here is about Erdogan, the current leader of Turkey.

                                He is no saint as many believe or wish to believe.
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