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  • #16
    Originally posted by Smarty View Post
    Why NATO would invade a useful servant like Pakistan? Since 1947 pakistan is serving West. And Afghanistan didnt attack pakistan during 1965 and 1971.
    Nato doesn't care, if they propped up pakistan before they can attempt to destroy too, their interests change all the time, now the west is supporting secular ethnostates like Baluchistan and Pashtunistan,Sindhidesh etc the rules of the game always change, Pakistan is no longer favored, if it was then Pakistan would have been a rich developed country with a great reputation in the media by now, they never favored but only a small minority of elite people but even they were disposed(killed) off once they did America's job.

    A landlocked afghanistan cantly rely on iran for sea access so war with pakistan is out of question other than small border clashes.
    Actually afghan nationalists want to separate Baluchistan from Pakistan so they can have free access to Gwadar port with a friendly/docile neighbor, it's in Afghanistan's interests to attack Pakistan from the westside and support Baluchi insurgents.

    Due to nuclear stalemate, full scale war between pakistan and india wont happen, it would be limited to proxy wars as it is nowadays.
    Full scale war is most likely off the cards now but a regional conflict like Kargil/Siachen may be fought again in the near future and America might do to Pakistan what they did to Libya and Iraq by imposing sanctions and a no fly zone, then targeting strategic assets.
    "I bow to no one, except ALLAH. I dont bow to punjabay, do not bow to kabulay and afghanay, do not bow to faujay and mullay, do not bow to asfandyarwalay and petty khanays...i am traitor to all of them." - Smartay

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    • #17
      Originally posted by jankhan View Post
      wrora, ye munafiqeen ka ek ttola hai. en ke lye jaan bhi daido, ye phir bhi tumhe apna dost nahi maanengay, enko jab bhi moqa milega ye waar karengay. mai enko bahot qareem janta hon. They have hindu mentality, baghal mai churi muun mai raam raam.
      Agreed 100%. I also said some thing similar to that @Arooj Khan of poems who was waving green flag.
      Lady Arooj Khan, your love for Pakistan (Punjab plus Karcahi) is one-sided. Its an admirable trait in Pashtuns that they are loyal to extreme, like true and namak-halal chowkidaars, pakistani pashtun would die for his punjabi countrymen rather than betraying their trust and salt. If a situation arise where a Pashtun is asked to back-stab/murder his punjabi friend to save his own life or for money, he would refuse. But if a Punjabi is asked to back-stab or give up on his "pathan" friend, he would do it without much hesitation. I am generalizing, but thats the general observation.
      http://www.pashtunforums.com/showthr...t=44732&page=2
      [URL="http://historyofpashtuns.blogspot.com.au/2014/07/afghan-sikh-wars.html"][SIZE=5][COLOR=Green]History of Pashtuns[/COLOR][/SIZE][/URL]

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      • #18
        Originally posted by tripledouble View Post
        Nato doesn't care, if they propped up pakistan before they can attempt to destroy too, their interests change all the time, now the west is supporting secular ethnostates like Baluchistan and Pashtunistan,Sindhidesh etc the rules of the game always change, Pakistan is no longer favored, if it was then Pakistan would have been a rich developed country with a great reputation in the media by now, they never favored but only a small minority of elite people but even they were disposed(killed) off once they did America's job.
        I dont think that West is supporting Azad baluchistan (I think only India is involved). But they must be studying the issue and are taking interest in it. If Servant goes against master, then ofcourse she might get punishment the from master. And masters of Pakistan, the military , are running the show in Pakistan since 60s, they are created by British and they are the ones who are true servants of west.

        Full scale war is most likely off the cards now but a regional conflict like Kargil/Siachen may be fought again in the near future and America might do to Pakistan what they did to Libya and Iraq by imposing sanctions and a no fly zone, then targeting strategic assets.
        Are or they made Iran miserable through sanctions. You dont need to worry, your army is in the pockets of free masons.
        [URL="http://historyofpashtuns.blogspot.com.au/2014/07/afghan-sikh-wars.html"][SIZE=5][COLOR=Green]History of Pashtuns[/COLOR][/SIZE][/URL]

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        • #19
          They can't or they won't as Pakistan-USA relations are way too complex and beyond the understanding of rookies like us.

          America and Pakistan are always in favour of each other,infact the american invasion of Afghanistan has further divided and weakened the Afghanistan state instead of the believed fact of economic improvement and democracy,which ofcourse if not the civilian govt but favour the establishment of Pakistan.

          With American leaving,Pakistan again will be the america most important player in the region with Pakistan also having closest relation with the near future Superpower.

          Pakistan and israel once considered as the most closest allies of USA.today Pakistan also is considered the most closest and the only real term ally of near future superpower china.

          Pakistan only lack the true leadership(Someone like Imran khan) who can put better use of Pakistan strategic location and design a Foriegn foriegn policy which also favour the economic future of Pakistan.

          Good days ahead
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          • #20
            Originally posted by Smarty View Post
            I dont think that West is supporting Azad baluchistan (I think only India is involved). But they must be studying the issue and are taking interest in it.
            They are, Senator Rohrbacher proposed a resolution 2 years ago and Louie Gohmert raised the issue of Baluchistan in congress this year; the Baloch have representation in EU & UNHCR; Baloch leaders like Khan of Kalat and Hyrbyar marri are now British citizens and Baloch journalists like Malik Siraj are now refugees in America, they're pressing hard in the American press for azad Baluchistan; even BBC Urdu gives them coverage, there was a CIA map leaked out a few years ago of Azad baluchistan and loy afghanistan, so it's on their agenda and even Qatar-owned Al Jazeera made a documentary of their struggle, I think the army is now out of favor with the Sheikhs.

            Khan of Kalat has promised to recognize Israel and most Baloch consider themselves Secular whereas Pakistanis are considered Islamists; the media is portraying Pakistan as an Islamic state whereas Baloch rebels are protrayed as fighters for secular values, I have been following the coverage and that is the vibe i get.

            If Servant goes against master, then ofcourse she might get punishment the from master. And masters of Pakistan, the military , are running the show in Pakistan since 60s, they are created by British and they are the ones who are true servants of west.
            Even the Indian army was created by the British and Afghan national army was created by America now.

            Are or they made Iran miserable through sanctions. You dont need to worry, your army is in the pockets of free masons.
            No, everybody gets accused of being freemasons, if we were freemasons then we would be a developed country would be considered a friendly state by the western media; Do you not think Afghan government and Baloch Nawabs have connection with secret societies?All powerful have these type of connection, only the common man doesn't.
            "I bow to no one, except ALLAH. I dont bow to punjabay, do not bow to kabulay and afghanay, do not bow to faujay and mullay, do not bow to asfandyarwalay and petty khanays...i am traitor to all of them." - Smartay

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            • #21
              According to me nobody is going to allow two atomic powers to fight a conventional war!

              Yet, if India thinks we aren't capable of it. They should give it a try.

              How is Pakistan going to survive till the end of the Earth? Well, you won't be able to see that :D

              Hagha Ahmed Faraz wai che..

              Kuch ehl-e-sitam kuch ehl-e-hasham me'khana giranay aaye thay,
              Dehleez ko chooma chor dia dekha kay yeh pathar bhaari hay..

              Zakhmon say badan gulzar sahe tum apnay shikasta teer gino,
              Khud tarkash walay keh dengay yeh baazi kis nay hari hay?

              And this last one is dedicated to Mr. Moodi,

              Kis zoam mein thay dushman apnay shayad yeh unhe maloom na tha,
              Yeh khaak-e-watan hay jaan apni aur jaan to sab ko pyari hay..
              Last edited by Shehbaz Khan; 08-18-2014, 06:54 AM.
              yao warokay ghwandi baagh ao pa khwa ye seen rawan!

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