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[Shehbaz Khan]

So you were against renaming of province. North west frontier province is not a name, it was going to be renamed one way or another. Even punjabis, who at that time opposed renaming, are nowadays quite fine and o.k with new name.....but 'pathans' like you have not gotten over it?. It may not be an achievement of ANP , but it was their or any governament's duty to change the colonial name to a proper one. Whether they did it for political point scoring or for some thing else, i am not interested in that.

When did I say I am against it? Lmao, as I said this was a non-issue according to me. The real issue of Pakhtuns are different. Shakespear said, By whichever name you call a flower, it's fragrance and beauty isn't going to be affected.

So you agreed with the rest of the points that's why you didn't reply to it. Thanks a bunch!

[Shehbaz Khan]

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Shah Baz is well known for his anti-pakhtun views.

Anti-Pakhtun views? When? Where?


Once a member Yousafzai Pakhtun said,


laka wana mostaqeem pa zay walar yam,
ka khazan wi ka bahar parwah mi nishta!

[Shehbaz Khan]

And shehbaza, Asfandyar and Mahmud achakzai are paki pathans like you. They are politicians and they are enjoying their power and status in Pakistan. Some pathans are doing politics in the name of pakistanism, some in the name of pashtunism and some in the name of islam. Every one of them is rotten paki.

So was Abdul Wali Khan and Abdul Samad Khan Achakzai saib? Nu noora tri sa jora ko che taso zamong domra drano masharano ta hum dasi gorai!

As I said, you call all those beghairat who dis-agree with your point of view. Nu bas pa dagha ki khushala wosa!

The question I ask is simple, List 10 Pakhtuns from Pakhtunkhwa who have ghairat according to you?

And if we are all a bunch of Beghairata according to you. Than sorry to your Loy-Afghanistan/Pakhtunistan thing! Che wos rata domra spak gorai nu bya ba che la sa haal wi!

[Shehbaz Khan]

taso khpalo ki yao bal kho bardasht kawalay na shai nu mong sara ba sa kawai!
[MENTION=1234]Smarty[/MENTION]: and to begin with Ghani Khan married the daughter of Nawab of Hyderabad, her name was Roshan Ghani. Now who does he marry or not is his personal life and choice. As long as the idea of Pakistan is concerned, they were against it just like Jamat-e-Islami was but once it was created they were never against it. Being against the government and against the country are two different things.

And I don't support Sherpao overall but he must be given the credit of different things he has good qualities as well. While he was the interior minister he gave jobs to the people of Charsaddah in Rangers etc etc. He is brave enough that while during that bomb blast in his rally the people were forcing him to leave and he wanted to stay on ground.

So people are not just bad and good. Sometimes they have both bad and good qualities. ANP cleared Sawat from terrorists very wisely, they improved the infrastructure of the province and worked alot in the Education Sector. They have bad points as well.

So calling them a beghairat and this and that. What have you and I done except for crying and speaking on public forums? ANP atleast did something and so did Sherpao.

[Smarty]

When did I say I am against it? Lmao, as I said this was a non-issue according to me. The real issue of Pakhtuns are different. Shakespear said, By whichever name you call a flower, it's fragrance and beauty isn't going to be affected.

O.K but keep it separate from Bread, cloth and House. For some people mother tongue is also non-issue and for others ethnic identity is non-issue, for some even islam is non-issue. I agree that naming Peshawer airport after bacha khan was non-issue, but renaming province was not. It was an important symbolic step in our history, colonial name was no more.

So you agreed with the rest of the points that's why you didn't reply to it. Thanks a bunch!

There was little to discuss further from my side on most of the points . But let me add about your diversity argument. Diversity and co-existence , nothing wrong with that if you are in majority. Afghanistan is also a diverse country, so is Pakistan but both are in imbalance......This imbalance was created by british's durand line.

[Smarty]

taso khpalo ki yao bal kho bardasht kawalay na shai nu mong sara ba sa kawai!
@Smarty: and to begin with Ghani Khan married the daughter of Nawab of Hyderabad, her name was Roshan Ghani. Now who does he marry or not is his personal life and choice.

Parsis have muslim like names as they have origin from persia. Roshan was a parsi from nawab family. Bacha khan, his brother and rest of the family are/were no different from the jagirdars/nawabs/wadairas of hindostan. just look at them, politics run in their family and they are marrying with elite familes, in case of Dr. khan Sahib's daughter and ghani khan , not even with muslims. What happened when these friends of hindu dhalkhors faced real pashtuns?, read below

A fascinating account of the details of Nehru's visit is available from a letter which the political agent of South waziristan wrote to his wife:

"Abdul Ghaffar Khan opened the proceedings by telling the waziris that the great Nehru had heard of how they had been oppressed by the firangis and had decided to come and investigate their condition. They were poor and the new indian governamnet was determined to give them schools, to teach them their religion , to build hospitals and to civilize them. The wazir spokesman replied more in grief than in anger that abdul ghaffar had got it all wrong. The utmanzai wazirs were oppressed by no one, nor did they need instruction in teaching of islam from a man whose son had married a parsi and whose niece (Dr.Khan sahib's daughter Marium) was married to a christian. This remark infuriated Dr.khan sahib who called them paid toadles of the political agent. This remark was too much for the jirga who leapt to their feet in protest. Smouldering with indignation the party then departed [to meet Mehsuds]. A Mehsud Jirga was assembled in the residency garden. Nehru spoke in Urdu. The Mahsuds probably didnt understand much. But when he said that those present were all debauched by British robbery, it was too much for old kaka. Mir Badshah's father , who in the coarse way that mahsuds have, said 'Hindu, if the british pay us money. there's a good reason. Our private parts are of extraordinary size as you will find out to your cost before long. 'With that the old boy stumped out. The political agent tried to persuade nehru to end his tour after this but Bacha khan begged him to continue. Things only got worse however as their car was pelted with stones, injuring the two leaders with flying glass. (Hunt and Harrison 1980:231)
The Pathan Unarmed: Opposition & Memory in the North West Frontier By Mukulika Banerje

So people are not just bad and good. Sometimes they have both bad and good qualities. ANP cleared Sawat from terrorists very wisely, they improved the infrastructure of the province and worked alot in the Education Sector. They have bad points as well.

So calling them a beghairat and this and that. What have you and I done except for crying and speaking on public forums? ANP atleast did something and so did Sherpao.

People didnt vote for them, for good reasons. You dont need to give excuses on behalf of them.

[Smarty]

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So was Abdul Wali Khan and Abdul Samad Khan Achakzai saib? Nu noora tri sa jora ko che taso zamong domra drano masharano ta hum dasi gorai!

Dont know any thing about Samad achakzai but i think wali khan had sympathies/links with communists, is that true?. If yes then fck him.

As I said, you call all those beghairat who dis-agree with your point of view. Nu bas pa dagha ki khushala wosa!

Not with my point of view, the one who go against his qaum for wrong reasons to the wrong side.....is beghairat.

The question I ask is simple, List 10 Pakhtuns from Pakhtunkhwa who have ghairat according to you?

i already answered that.

And if we are all a bunch of Beghairata according to you. Than sorry to your Loy-Afghanistan/Pakhtunistan thing! Che wos rata domra spak gorai nu bya ba che la sa haal wi!

As if i am running the campaign of loy afghanistan and is requesting you for membership....
Ghairati/beghairati is state of mind. Dont look at me to decide what is right or wrong, try to scan yourself through conscience. If you believe you are right on this and that, then its ok, stick with it.

[Shehbaz Khan]

O.K but keep it separate from Bread, cloth and House. For some people mother tongue is also non-issue and for others ethnic identity is non-issue, for some even islam is non-issue. I agree that naming Peshawer airport after bacha khan was non-issue, but renaming province was not. It was an important symbolic step in our history, colonial name was no more.

What benefit it brought to our ethnic identity? As I said by whichever name you call a flower it's fragrance is going to be the same.

There was little to discuss further from my side on most of the points . But let me add about your diversity argument. Diversity and co-existence , nothing wrong with that if you are in majority. Afghanistan is also a diverse country, so is Pakistan but both are in imbalance......This imbalance was created by british's durand line.

And how many people think it's imbalance? Let's have a refrendum in the heart of Pakhtunkhwa and see how many people agree with your school of thought? So those who don't agree with you and love Pakistan as their homeland aren't wrong.

[Shehbaz Khan]

Dont know any thing about Samad achakzai but i think wali khan had sympathies/links with communists, is that true?. If yes then fck him.

Haha! As I said everyone who doesn't belong to your school of thought is beghairat. Hence Proved!

Not with my point of view, the one who go against his qaum for wrong reasons to the wrong side.....is beghairat.

Abdul Wali Khan was against his Qaum? How?

i already answered that.

You can't enlist ten people from Pakistan and you want us to agree with your school of thought? :D

As if i am running the campaign of loy afghanistan and is requesting you for membership....
Ghairati/beghairati is state of mind. Dont look at me to decide what is right or wrong, try to scan yourself through conscience. If you believe you are right on this and that, then its ok, stick with it.

I am not looking at you to decide. It's you who is running around labeling people. And all I am saying that you shouldn't do it.

[Shehbaz Khan]

Parsis have muslim like names as they have origin from persia. Roshan was a parsi from nawab family. Bacha khan, his brother and rest of the family are/were no different from the jagirdars/nawabs/wadairas of hindostan. just look at them, politics run in their family and they are marrying with elite familes, in case of Dr. khan Sahib's daughter and ghani khan , not even with muslims. What happened when these friends of hindu dhalkhors faced real pashtuns?, read below

A fascinating account of the details of Nehru's visit is available from a letter which the political agent of South waziristan wrote to his wife:

"Abdul Ghaffar Khan opened the proceedings by telling the waziris that the great Nehru had heard of how they had been oppressed by the firangis and had decided to come and investigate their condition. They were poor and the new indian governamnet was determined to give them schools, to teach them their religion , to build hospitals and to civilize them. The wazir spokesman replied more in grief than in anger that abdul ghaffar had got it all wrong. The utmanzai wazirs were oppressed by no one, nor did they need instruction in teaching of islam from a man whose son had married a parsi and whose niece (Dr.Khan sahib's daughter Marium) was married to a christian. This remark infuriated Dr.khan sahib who called them paid toadles of the political agent. This remark was too much for the jirga who leapt to their feet in protest. Smouldering with indignation the party then departed [to meet Mehsuds]. A Mehsud Jirga was assembled in the residency garden. Nehru spoke in Urdu. The Mahsuds probably didnt understand much. But when he said that those present were all debauched by British robbery, it was too much for old kaka. Mir Badshah's father , who in the coarse way that mahsuds have, said 'Hindu, if the british pay us money. there's a good reason. Our private parts are of extraordinary size as you will find out to your cost before long. 'With that the old boy stumped out. The political agent tried to persuade nehru to end his tour after this but Bacha khan begged him to continue. Things only got worse however as their car was pelted with stones, injuring the two leaders with flying glass. (Hunt and Harrison 1980:231)
The Pathan Unarmed: Opposition & Memory in the North West Frontier By Mukulika Banerje

Bacha Khan was against the creation of Pakistan and this idea was rejected by the common Pakhtuns. This is no hidden secrete.

People didnt vote for them, for good reasons. You dont need to give excuses on behalf of them.

You missed the point again. Don't label people just because of their one act. That's my point.

[Smarty]

What benefit it brought to our ethnic identity? As I said by whichever name you call a flower it's fragrance is going to be the same.

But no one in this world confuse rose with jasmine.

And how many people think it's imbalance? Let's have a refrendum in the heart of Pakhtunkhwa and see how many people agree with your school of thought? So those who don't agree with you and love Pakistan as their homeland aren't wrong.

I was talking about demographic imbalance.

[Smarty]

Haha! As I said everyone who doesn't belong to your school of thought is beghairat. Hence Proved!
Abdul Wali Khan was against his Qaum? How?

I didnt say wali khan was beghairat, i just raised my middle finger at him. Qaumi beghairat is one who side with ghair and wrong side against his own people. Wali khan, achakzai etc do not fit into that category, whatever their ideologies were, they stuck with their own pashtun people and cared about them in their own way.

You can't enlist ten people from Pakistan and you want us to agree with your school of thought? :D

I am not running any movement or campaign , neither i belong to fixed school of thoughts like mullahs or nationalists.
I am not shoving my views into your mouths, i am just confronting you guys. You can also confront me. This is forum, not election campaign. You can agree or disagree with me.

I am not looking at you to decide. It's you who is running around labeling people. And all I am saying that you shouldn't do it.

I said that in specific context. You have said it multiple times that you guys yourself are not ideal to emulate, i replied that dont make your mindset by judging anonymous guys on internet some of whom are loud mouths and plain idiots.Scan your thoughts through conscience, this is not game or debate competition that you have to win. Your mind, your thoughts and your decisions. You are at the stage of life where your ideology has hardened and fixated into your brain since childhood, but you have conscience , which you shouldn't turn it off.

[Smarty]

Bacha Khan was against the creation of Pakistan and this idea was rejected by the common Pakhtuns. This is no hidden secrete.

Pakhtuns of the areas, where his influence existed, voted for him and Khudai khidmatgars won majority of the seats in 1946 election, he didnt get rejected in his strongholds (1947 refrendum was a trick and is not true scale). They never grew beyond peshawer valley, same is situation today. they were idiots and got tricked/used by chalak Hindu. They can hate and blame jinnah as much as they want but it was their fault and they got in embarrassing position due to congress in whom they put their trust like idiots.

You missed the point again. Don't label people just because of their one act. That's my point.

point taken

[Shehbaz Khan]

But no one in this world confuse rose with jasmine.



I was talking about demographic imbalance.

Let's get into a position that we can get enjoy the fragrance than we will discuss whether it's Jasmine or Rose.

[Shehbaz Khan]

I didnt say wali khan was beghairat, i just raised my middle finger at him. Qaumi beghairat is one who side with ghair and wrong side against his own people. Wali khan, achakzai etc do not fit into that category, whatever their ideologies were, they stuck with their own pashtun people and cared about them in their own way.

You just raised your middle finger to a person and you don't hate him? I mean I don't get it. You say F word for Ghani Khan and you don't hate him? So is the case of millions of Pakhtuns living in Pakistan, like Abdul Wali Khan and Mehmood Khan Achakzai we are patriotic Pakistanis working for the interest of Pakhtuns specifically and Pakistan generally.

I am not running any movement or campaign , neither i belong to fixed school of thoughts like mullahs or nationalists.
I am not shoving my views into your mouths, i am just confronting you guys. You can also confront me. This is forum, not election campaign. You can agree or disagree with me.

Okay.

I said that in specific context. You have said it multiple times that you guys yourself are not ideal to emulate, i replied that dont make your mindset by judging anonymous guys on internet some of whom are loud mouths and plain idiots.Scan your thoughts through conscience, this is not game or debate competition that you have to win. Your mind, your thoughts and your decisions. You are at the stage of life where your ideology has hardened and fixated into your brain since childhood, but you have conscience , which you shouldn't turn it off.

Same goes for you!