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  • #31
    Originally posted by Herat View Post
    http://www.amazon.com/Religion-Expla...gion+evolution

    Incidentally, I am currently reading yet another piece of literature on religion from an evolutionary perspective (the literature on the topic seems to have exploded in the past 10 years or so and continues to do so, not looking good for religionists) -this one a mainly by-product rather than an adaptationist theory but Pascal Boyer has unfortunately looked at the problem from a mainly cognitive science perspective on religious belief rather than examining religion in its social context, had he done so I can't see how anyone would not come to the conclusion that, Islam, for example, but most enduring religions in general, are highly adaptive at the group-level. One amazon reviewer has picked up on this weakness and has written a hilarious review that is very pertinent to our discussion here. Dennis Littrell writes:
    So there is indeed an element of truth in what you say: clearly the jihadist movement self-selects for certain traits just as say, for example a Physics doctorate degree self-selects for traits such as high intelligence and mathematical aptitude in that only people with those traits are capable of doing that activity or would even want to, so too very likely are the ISIS jihadists (and not merely angry Sunni tribals) as a group likely particularly genetically prone to traits associated with jihadist activity. Traits such as religiosity at the fanatic extreme, violent and psychopathic personality, low intelligence, groupishness and so on would be predominantly self-selected by the jihadist movement -traits that certainly do seem to make for good 7th century warriors.

    Nevertheless, do you want to know about a force with greater unifying powers than even religion? Ever asked yourself why the Jews, unlike the Christians and Muslims, have so persistently enjoyed group cohesion throughout history? Or ever wondered why even Islam enjoyed its zenith in group cohesion in its early days when it was more or less an Arabic ethno-religion -only to descend into the mawali system, schism, sectarianism, etc by the time the non-Arabs came to make up a large proportion of Muslims? The answer to all of these questions is the same: ethnocentrism. The ultimate unifying power of all is pure ethnic tribalism, common blood, shared genes (related to kin-selection, see the ethnic phenomenon by Van Den Berghe). After the early days of Islam, after your religion became an ethnically heterogeneous one, it could never unify its adherent populations except in a higher-order group conflict (e.g. against Christian Europe) and even that would be only temporary, that is no coincidence and it is the reason why unification of the Islamic world in the name of Islam probably isn't going to be happening ever again.

    By the way, you are wrong, the most effective fighting unit in Syria currently are the Kurds who are more or less winning against your Islamists and jihadists and they are fighting for their ethnic interests alone.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Syrian_...013-present%29

    The Kurds won't be the last Sunni peoples to ultimately reject Islamic unification the way you Islamists want it. If you wanted all-encompassing group cohesion you should have kept the religion an ethnic one like Judaism is.
    Well see what happens in six months time? You were already wrong about the Kurds, they lost major assets just as you wrote your response.

    Please don't call it "My Religion" it's every bodies and deep down you are one.

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    • #32
      Originally posted by Herat View Post
      I am an ethnic nationalist, Badlun my friend: I believe that the only natural "nation" is an ethnic/kinship group; throwing in different sects and ethnics of people with incompatible group interests into competition in a single state inherently entails long-run instability. This whole idealistic farce of "pluralism" and "multiculturalism" that now plagues the west works in the real world about as well as a utopian ethnically heterogeneous Islamic caliphate does, as can easily be seen from Europes "Muslim problem". It just doesn't work Badlun sahab because different peoples have fundamentally different interests and ways of life that will guarantee group zero-sum games over economic and political resources (one groups gain is anothers loss).
      In our context, how many ethnicities we have in Afghanistan? If we take Tajik as a unit, do you think Tajik is one race or one ethnic group? Are they not mixture of Arabs, Turks, Uzbeks even Pashtuns? Then if we have a Tajik country out of Afghanistan, we have to further divide it amongst all the ethnic groups within Tajiks?

      Similarly India, Pakistan etc will have to be divided in many countries for each race or ethnicity. Nation is a better unit for having a state not ethnicity. There are always minorities in a nation state and the constitution of all such countries guarantee the interests of such minorities. Our problem is religious extremism and terrorism not pluralism, ethnocentrism or a nation state.

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      • #33
        Originally posted by کیش View Post
        Well see what happens in six months time? You were already wrong about the Kurds, they lost major assets just as you wrote your response.

        Please don't call it "My Religion" it's every bodies and deep down you are one.
        You're right man, you know what, Im going to convert back to Islam soon, you see I recently made a beautiful discovery of an Islamic miracle: meet Globitermes sulphureus.


        This termite species has a soldier caste that uses autothysis as a defence mechanism, that is, the soldier termites are in a sense biological bombs that blow themselves up to protect the termite nest. Just like the soldiers of Allah blowing themselves up to protect their own group of termites, the true believers! SubhanAllah! Quickly, add this to all of the "scientific miracles in the Quran" websites immediately! You mocked suicide bombing all this time, well it turns out that suicide bombing is yet more evidence for Quranic miracles and Allah, take that infidels!

        PS, if you are talking about their "losing" the dam then you should know that the Kurds strategically withdrew without a fight and are preparing for a counter-offensive and given their history of successful offensives against your jihadist fanatics in Syria, yes let us see what happens indeed.
        Last edited by Herat; 08-05-2014, 03:58 PM.

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        • #34
          Originally posted by Herat View Post
          You're right man, you know what, Im going to convert back to Islam soon, you see I recently made a beautiful discovery of an Islamic miracle: meet Globitermes sulphureus.
          http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Globitermes_sulphureus

          This termite species has a soldier caste that uses autothysis as a defence mechanism, that is, the soldier termites are in a sense biological bombs that blow themselves up to protect the termite nest. Just like the soldiers of Allah blowing themselves up to protect their own group of termites, the true believers! SubhanAllah! Quickly, add this to all of the "scientific miracles in the Quran" websites immediately! You mocked suicide bombing all this time, well it turns out that suicide bombing is yet more evidence for Quranic miracles and Allah, take that infidels!

          PS, if you are talking about their "losing" the dam then you should know that the Kurds strategically withdrew without a fight and are preparing for a counter-offensive and given their history of successful offensives against your jihadist fanatics in Syria, yes let us see what happens indeed.
          that termite analysis was actually pretty good.

          To the Kurds,

          they retreated like cowards from the shelling. this was according to the Yazidi's who tried and failed to stop IS offensive in zumar, sinjar, and wana.

          Who knows how many Yazidi men they have executed, and women they have taken as harem.

          The Pesmergha are crying for funds and aids from anybody. this is not my opinion. by the winter IS will take Kirkuk, Pesmergha hasn't showed the world they could beat IS.

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          • #35
            Originally posted by کیش View Post
            that termite analysis was actually pretty good.

            To the Kurds,

            they retreated like cowards from the shelling. this was according to the Yazidi's who tried and failed to stop IS offensive in zumar, sinjar, and wana.

            Who knows how many Yazidi men they have executed, and women they have taken as harem.

            The Pesmergha are crying for funds and aids from anybody. this is not my opinion. by the winter IS will take Kirkuk, Pesmergha hasn't showed the world they could beat IS.
            As the great Biologist E.O. Wilson said "When the gods are served, the Darwinian fitness of the members of the tribe is the ultimate if unrecognized beneficiary." (On Human Nature (1978) p. 184). Tell me, do you think there is any religion out there that better epitomizes this aphorism than Islam? I mean, with the Quran, the supposed word of God for all mankind for all time, literally sanctioning Mohammeds very prolific sex life and Muslim in-group murders against out-groups in its "revelations", I certainly can't think of any other religion that can contend with Islam for the most "Darwinian religion of all time".


            As for the Kurds, false my friend, the Yazidi had already evacuated and we will see how cowardly the Kurds truly are when they attack your jihadists and of course they would ask for funds when that piece of **** Obama administration blocks their attempts to it themselves by selling oil, your jihadists have the far better equipment, courtesy of the cowardly Arab Shiites. But I don't disagree that Islams holy warriors are indeed a fearless group, I mean look at this:
            "On the border between, Turkey and Syria, Muhammed Ahmad, a 23-year-old Syrian Kurd is waiting to return to the fight against Isis.
            He described Isis as formidable opponents. “It’s like they’re on drugs,” he said, “they charge at you in groups of 300 and, even though we shoot them like sheep, you know the next day there will be double.”



            Its all in the genes my friend -I explained the self-selection process involved in jihadism in a previous post- ISIS are to jihadism and war what Harvard/MIT Physics professors are to IQ and both for largely genetic reasons. But it seems you didn't read the wiki article on the conflict in Syria, don't you get it moron, the Kurds have already beaten your jihadists in Syria. I think Ive had enough fun again, you just don't have the IQ points to be even worth the bother.

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            • #36
              @Herat

              Yazidi's,

              I have read an article quoting Yazidi's and Kurds who eyewitnessed executions of the men, and the taking of their females. heres the proof http://www.globalpost.com/dispatch/n...sinjar-yazidis

              That article also has eyewitnesses saying the Peshmergha ran after IS deep shelling of the villages. Pesmergha don't have the heart for it, like you said it, IS has the momentum, the finances, arsenal, and bodied men. So why are you being disillusioned about them losing?

              Syria,

              Where are getting Kurds are winning? how are they winning when the FSA, SAA and Nusra are losing to IS? IS is so comfortable in Syria that they take villages/leave villages whenever they want. heres a more recent Wiki on IS offensive in Eastern Syria http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2014_Ea...yria_offensive

              Islam is about familyhood, one ummah, brotherhood. there's nothing wrong with those Qu'ranic verses, that's is war for you.

              also please stop the name calling. it doesn't work. Stay don't go.
              Last edited by کیش; 08-05-2014, 10:51 PM.

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              • #37
                Originally posted by کیش View Post
                @Herat

                Yazidi's,

                I have read an article quoting Yazidi's and Kurds who eyewitnessed executions of the men, and the taking of their females. heres the proof http://www.globalpost.com/dispatch/n...sinjar-yazidis

                That article also has eyewitnesses saying the Peshmergha ran after IS deep shelling of the villages. Pesmergha don't have the heart for it, like you said it, IS has the momentum, the finances, arsenal, and bodied men. So why are you being disillusioned about them losing?

                Syria,

                Where are getting Kurds are winning? how are they winning when the FSA, SAA and Nusra are losing to IS? IS is so comfortable in Syria that they take villages/leave villages whenever they want. heres a more recent Wiki on IS offensive in Eastern Syria http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2014_Ea...yria_offensive

                Islam is about familyhood, one ummah, brotherhood. there's nothing wrong with those Qu'ranic verses, that's is war for you.

                also please stop the name calling. it doesn't work. Stay don't go.
                How unfortunate, I had read that they were fleeing into the mountains but I guess that was at the beginning of the advance. Nevertheless, it looks like its over as soon as it began for your jihadists if this report is true.
                Report: US to Give Air Support, Arms to Iraqi Kurds | Officials had previously downplayed chances of arming Kurds


                Now let the Sunni Arabs drop like the flies that they are, I hope there are at least as much civilian deaths of Sunni Arabs as there have been Yazidis in the past several decades by the time this whole debacle is over (after all, death is what Islam is all about, let us hope the Sunni Arabs are payed back in kind). Ive told you before and I will tell you again, this isn't the 7th century anymore, the modern world belongs to homo-superior (high IQ man) and he will always triumph in the end over homo-inferior (low IQ man) and his ideology (e.g. Islam).

                One offense against mainly Assads forces vs the Kurdish capture of Ras al-Ayn, al-Yarubiyah, several other small towns and holding out against the siege of your jihadist hordes, Id say the Kurds are winning.
                http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Syrian_...013-present%29
                Last edited by Herat; 08-05-2014, 11:23 PM.

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                • #38
                  @Herat (your not even from Herat)
                  Those days are over, the so-called high-iq people. they were used by the cabal, like Einstein was used to help create the Atom bomb. the most barbaric weapon invented by man. in-fact the "homo-superior" are actually men who wear suites and are in the fields of banking, finance, marketing and entertainment.

                  You have never said anything negative about IS killing Shias? heres a video of dozens of them getting executed and thrown into a river. one ruling an IS fighter said was "Kill the polytheist wherever you find them" Shias are polytheists when they rise the Ahyt al Bayt to God-status.

                  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-sQ8...tcO2rKdrhdXkrA

                  thoughts?
                  Last edited by کیش; 08-06-2014, 12:02 AM.

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                  • #39
                    I only sympathize with the plight of the Kurds and other minority groups and don't care much about your Arabs, Sunni or Shiite; in fact, once the Kurds have seceded and/or gotten their autonomy, it would be very ideal for the civil war to be as prolonged as possible and for it to spill into other Arab states. In fact, I hope your jihadist groups attack Saudi and the other Arab states, let them all destroy each other, the more Arab infrastructure that is destroyed, the better. I hope the Arabs are sent back to the desert life of the 7th century in which they belong after all of this is over.

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                    • #40
                      Originally posted by Herat View Post
                      I only sympathize with the plight of the Kurds and other minority groups and don't care much about your Arabs, Sunni or Shiite; in fact, once the Kurds have seceded and/or gotten their autonomy, it would be very ideal for the civil war to be as prolonged as possible and for it to spill into other Arab states. In fact, I hope your jihadist groups attack Saudi and the other Arab states, let them all destroy each other, the more Arab infrastructure that is destroyed, the better. I hope the Arabs are sent back to the desert life of the 7th century in which they belong after all of this is over.
                      I also do hope IS takes out those Saudi's and other Arab slaves for their excessive wealth growing without sharing it with their people.

                      Why are you so worried about the Kurds? if they disarm, IS will not bother them.

                      but most of those Iraq's executed was because they were Shiites. do you think the Quran gives permission for that?

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                      • #41
                        Originally posted by کیش View Post
                        I also do hope IS takes out those Saudi's and other Arab slaves for their excessive wealth growing without sharing it with their people.

                        Why are you so worried about the Kurds? if they disarm, IS will not bother them.

                        but most of those Iraq's executed was because they were Shiites. do you think the Quran gives permission for that?
                        Yes me too friend, imagine it, civil wars in the Arab world for decades and decades to come, no end to it! Id like to see that too. Hehehe you really are delusional my friend, why the hell would they disarm? They don't belong with Arabs and do not want to, baathist or jihadist, it makes no difference, and that fact my friend is one more testament to the failure of Mohamets religion. You tell me, does the Curan sanction the murder of "heretics"?

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                        • #42
                          Originally posted by Herat View Post
                          Yes me too friend, imagine it, civil wars in the Arab world for decades and decades to come, no end to it! Id like to see that too. Hehehe you really are delusional my friend, why the hell would they disarm? They don't belong with Arabs and do not want to, baathist or jihadist, it makes no difference, and that fact my friend is one more testament to the failure of Mohamets religion. You tell me, does the Curan sanction the murder of "heretics"?
                          I know you heard the news that IS pushed back Peshmergha's counter offense and the IS are now at the gates of Arbil, so how long until Kurdistan completely falls? end of the year or is that giving the Kurds too much credit?

                          IS is also in a counter offensive against the SAA in Raqqa, and in Eastern Lebanon. Their psychological warfare saves villages from battle, as an eyewitness from Sijnar said.

                          who are you kidding with disrespecting Nabi's PBUH name? the name of the holy book.

                          For executions,

                          The Prophet PBUH either executed, imprisoned, or freed captured soldiers. so you are entitled to either three. for the IS, it is the sole decision of the commanders in the field if they feel they should execute the captured soldiers.

                          The Yazidi that stayed and fought back were slaughtered (while their fellow Kurds ran away and left them) and their females were taken as war booty. so the men were executed as it was in direct correlation to what God has ordered.

                          For executing civilian Shiites and Yazidi's for being polytheistic,

                          The Quran says if they aren't fighting, a Muslim should not transgress their limits.




                          with all this name calling you sound very insecure with your own views in this subject.
                          Last edited by کیش; 08-06-2014, 11:45 PM.

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                          • #43
                            Originally posted by کیش View Post
                            I know you heard the news that IS pushed back Peshmergha's counter offense and the IS are now at the gates of Arbil, so how long until Kurdistan completely falls? end of the year or is that giving the Kurds too much credit?

                            IS is also in a counter offensive against the SAA in Raqqa, and in Eastern Lebanon. Their psychological warfare saves villages from battle, as an eyewitness from Sijnar said.

                            who are you kidding with disrespecting Nabi's PBUH name? the name of the holy book.

                            For executions,

                            The Prophet PBUH either executed, imprisoned, or freed captured soldiers. so you are entitled to either three. for the IS, it is the sole decision of the commanders in the field if they feel they should execute the captured soldiers.

                            The Yazidi that stayed and fought back were slaughtered (while their fellow Kurds ran away and left them) and their females were taken as war booty. so the men were executed as it was in direct correlation to what God has ordered.

                            For executing civilian Shiites and Yazidi's for being polytheistic,

                            The Quran says if they aren't fighting, a Muslim should not transgress their limits.




                            with all this name calling you sound very insecure with your own views in this subject.
                            This is the real Islam(ism) what you described or what IS does. I happy now the world will know the real Islam.

                            Kings like Abbasids, Mughals, Salateen etc in past were secular rulers so the world did not see the real Islam(ism) after the Prophet and the first 4 caliphs but now Taliban, Boko Haram, IS, AL Qaeda are brining back the real and pristine Islam of killings, murders, qitals, jihad, jizya, slaughtering, killing prisoners of wars, taking women as war booty, crushing minorities on the pattern Jews were treated in Madina and killing all those who do not conform to the real Wahabi Islam not the tolerant Islam of Sufis.

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                            • #44
                              Originally posted by کیش View Post
                              I know you heard the news that IS pushed back Peshmergha's counter offense and the IS are now at the gates of Arbil, so how long until Kurdistan completely falls? end of the year or is that giving the Kurds too much credit?

                              IS is also in a counter offensive against the SAA in Raqqa, and in Eastern Lebanon. Their psychological warfare saves villages from battle, as an eyewitness from Sijnar said.

                              who are you kidding with disrespecting Nabi's PBUH name? the name of the holy book.

                              For executions,

                              The Prophet PBUH either executed, imprisoned, or freed captured soldiers. so you are entitled to either three. for the IS, it is the sole decision of the commanders in the field if they feel they should execute the captured soldiers.

                              The Yazidi that stayed and fought back were slaughtered (while their fellow Kurds ran away and left them) and their females were taken as war booty. so the men were executed as it was in direct correlation to what God has ordered.

                              For executing civilian Shiites and Yazidi's for being polytheistic,

                              The Quran says if they aren't fighting, a Muslim should not transgress their limits.




                              with all this name calling you sound very insecure with your own views in this subject.
                              I have more or less a month and a bit before school so don't worry, I think Ill be here long enough for us to see what happens with respect to the Kurds indeed! And good to know, that is the only thing I do really like about you Jihadists, your brutal honesty, you never attempt to rationalize the true nature -the group evolutionary nature- of Islam.

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                              • #45
                                Originally posted by Herat View Post
                                I have more or less a month and a bit before school so don't worry, I think Ill be here long enough for us to see what happens with respect to the Kurds indeed! And good to know, that is the only thing I do really like about you Jihadists, your brutal honesty, you never attempt to rationalize the true nature -the group evolutionary nature- of Islam.
                                first of all I would like to point out how I predicted this latest offensive just a week ago.

                                What is a jihadist? why are you turning into a @Badlun all of a sudden? that doesn't even exist.

                                Should I tell everyone what they're going to do next? now that all the media outlet is going nuts with the latest news?

                                Everything is going accordingly to the Hadiths, word for word.

                                jeez what happened to you, Mahmoud? you went to from servant of Allah to an uncle tom. What happened to being a Muta'zilah?
                                Last edited by کیش; 08-07-2014, 09:47 PM.

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