Originally posted by Herat
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http://www.amazon.com/Religion-Expla...gion+evolution
Incidentally, I am currently reading yet another piece of literature on religion from an evolutionary perspective (the literature on the topic seems to have exploded in the past 10 years or so and continues to do so, not looking good for religionists) -this one a mainly by-product rather than an adaptationist theory but Pascal Boyer has unfortunately looked at the problem from a mainly cognitive science perspective on religious belief rather than examining religion in its social context, had he done so I can't see how anyone would not come to the conclusion that, Islam, for example, but most enduring religions in general, are highly adaptive at the group-level. One amazon reviewer has picked up on this weakness and has written a hilarious review that is very pertinent to our discussion here. Dennis Littrell writes:
So there is indeed an element of truth in what you say: clearly the jihadist movement self-selects for certain traits just as say, for example a Physics doctorate degree self-selects for traits such as high intelligence and mathematical aptitude in that only people with those traits are capable of doing that activity or would even want to, so too very likely are the ISIS jihadists (and not merely angry Sunni tribals) as a group likely particularly genetically prone to traits associated with jihadist activity. Traits such as religiosity at the fanatic extreme, violent and psychopathic personality, low intelligence, groupishness and so on would be predominantly self-selected by the jihadist movement -traits that certainly do seem to make for good 7th century warriors.
Nevertheless, do you want to know about a force with greater unifying powers than even religion? Ever asked yourself why the Jews, unlike the Christians and Muslims, have so persistently enjoyed group cohesion throughout history? Or ever wondered why even Islam enjoyed its zenith in group cohesion in its early days when it was more or less an Arabic ethno-religion -only to descend into the mawali system, schism, sectarianism, etc by the time the non-Arabs came to make up a large proportion of Muslims? The answer to all of these questions is the same: ethnocentrism. The ultimate unifying power of all is pure ethnic tribalism, common blood, shared genes (related to kin-selection, see the ethnic phenomenon by Van Den Berghe). After the early days of Islam, after your religion became an ethnically heterogeneous one, it could never unify its adherent populations except in a higher-order group conflict (e.g. against Christian Europe) and even that would be only temporary, that is no coincidence and it is the reason why unification of the Islamic world in the name of Islam probably isn't going to be happening ever again.
By the way, you are wrong, the most effective fighting unit in Syria currently are the Kurds who are more or less winning against your Islamists and jihadists and they are fighting for their ethnic interests alone.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Syrian_...013-present%29
The Kurds won't be the last Sunni peoples to ultimately reject Islamic unification the way you Islamists want it. If you wanted all-encompassing group cohesion you should have kept the religion an ethnic one like Judaism is.
Incidentally, I am currently reading yet another piece of literature on religion from an evolutionary perspective (the literature on the topic seems to have exploded in the past 10 years or so and continues to do so, not looking good for religionists) -this one a mainly by-product rather than an adaptationist theory but Pascal Boyer has unfortunately looked at the problem from a mainly cognitive science perspective on religious belief rather than examining religion in its social context, had he done so I can't see how anyone would not come to the conclusion that, Islam, for example, but most enduring religions in general, are highly adaptive at the group-level. One amazon reviewer has picked up on this weakness and has written a hilarious review that is very pertinent to our discussion here. Dennis Littrell writes:
So there is indeed an element of truth in what you say: clearly the jihadist movement self-selects for certain traits just as say, for example a Physics doctorate degree self-selects for traits such as high intelligence and mathematical aptitude in that only people with those traits are capable of doing that activity or would even want to, so too very likely are the ISIS jihadists (and not merely angry Sunni tribals) as a group likely particularly genetically prone to traits associated with jihadist activity. Traits such as religiosity at the fanatic extreme, violent and psychopathic personality, low intelligence, groupishness and so on would be predominantly self-selected by the jihadist movement -traits that certainly do seem to make for good 7th century warriors.
Nevertheless, do you want to know about a force with greater unifying powers than even religion? Ever asked yourself why the Jews, unlike the Christians and Muslims, have so persistently enjoyed group cohesion throughout history? Or ever wondered why even Islam enjoyed its zenith in group cohesion in its early days when it was more or less an Arabic ethno-religion -only to descend into the mawali system, schism, sectarianism, etc by the time the non-Arabs came to make up a large proportion of Muslims? The answer to all of these questions is the same: ethnocentrism. The ultimate unifying power of all is pure ethnic tribalism, common blood, shared genes (related to kin-selection, see the ethnic phenomenon by Van Den Berghe). After the early days of Islam, after your religion became an ethnically heterogeneous one, it could never unify its adherent populations except in a higher-order group conflict (e.g. against Christian Europe) and even that would be only temporary, that is no coincidence and it is the reason why unification of the Islamic world in the name of Islam probably isn't going to be happening ever again.
By the way, you are wrong, the most effective fighting unit in Syria currently are the Kurds who are more or less winning against your Islamists and jihadists and they are fighting for their ethnic interests alone.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Syrian_...013-present%29
The Kurds won't be the last Sunni peoples to ultimately reject Islamic unification the way you Islamists want it. If you wanted all-encompassing group cohesion you should have kept the religion an ethnic one like Judaism is.
Please don't call it "My Religion" it's every bodies and deep down you are one.

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