Taliban 'capture' two US nationals

[din]

News CENTRAL/S. ASIA
Taliban 'capture' two US nationals
The Taliban claim to have captured two US nationals in Logar province in eastern Afghanistan.
The Nato-led International Security Assistance Force (Isaf) has not commented on the reported capture, but military sources told Al Jazeera that two soldiers are "unaccounted for".
The governor of the province, however, told Al Jazeera that he believes the two missing Americans are civilians working for a Provincial Reconstruction Team, a military-led development team.
A journalist from the Reuters news agency reported hearing local radio stations in Logar broadcasting US statements that offered a $20,000 reward for information about the captured Americans.
Logar is southeast of Kabul, the Afghan capital, in an area that has seen growing insurgent activity over the last few years.

[Zarawar]

haha @ $20,000 reward.

You'd be lucky if you get them free with at least a couple of million $$. Wos da Talebano khabarey pa 1000 nadee, they talk millions now.

[Zarawar]

You know most of these kidnappings are not done by Taliban anymore right?

for example in Kandahar city Karzais men do kidnapping and ask for a lot of money.

I know who does what, and most importantly how they do it.

MOST of these kidnappings go back to Taliban, Ka da Agha manteqe Qomandan pake las na wee, sok NAR nadai chey yow sok inkhtetaf kree.

Also what makes you think that it's not justified for the Taliban to capture US nationals that are in war with the Taliban. Just like the coalition troops will pick anybody up if they sense them being sympathizers of the insurgents.

These people were there to work AGAINST the Taliban.

In THIS case, Taliban don't need to play the game they usually DO when they kidnap civilians.
For instance, they will kidnap NGO workers and then make it look like they didn't. But, most likely they are in touch with the kidnappers (sometimes the kidnappers are their right hand men) and the Taliban also have their shares.

I understand there are things done using TALIBAN name, but with the flow of time TALIBAN movement itself is getting more corrupt.

I've heard of a bunch of cases where Taliban have officially denied any involvement in cases similar to this (civilians). Not knowing the fact that they were controlling it from the beginning.

[Zarawar]

This only goes for the kidnappings outside the cities (not specifically criminal gang related) . Instead politically motivated kidnapings. e.g. da hokomat sara chey sok kar kawee.

[Zarawar]

I dont get it the Taliban have made it clear not to support th e Govt and if you do we will kidnap you.

But the fact that Taliban themselves have people working for them in the government makes it confusing for the public. Because, people will always ask, why is it that the Taliban can receive support from the government (security contractors paying the insurgents in many parts) but when people want to do that for themselves or by themselves, they are not allowed.
In other words, it's OK for you to run an NGO or a construction company, ONLY if you are paying a part of it to the Taliban.
This is not ACCORDING TO CNN/BBC.

Za ham taleb tarbrona laram aw ham pa hokomat ke. (like man pashtuns)

Fortunately, I can look at it from a lot of more prospectives than someone that has only access to the central government.

[Zarawar]

za poh shwam..

But zarawar these Talibs are serving as spies and are destroying our beautiful Afghanistan. They are forcing us to become the 5th province of Pakistan.

I understand they have connections in the Govt but its for their own interests. dont you think that is hypocritical?

I wouldn't associate an entire chunk of a population with spies and destroying our beautiful Afghanistan.

I don't even think it's good to have an irritation against the very own people that just happen to believe in a different ideology than you do..

Some of them might be be "spies", and that's also according to you, me, BBC, CNN and whatnot.

But the more we refer to them as traitors and despise them, the more we are fueling this chaos.

Taliban refer to the secularist/democratic Afghans as kufar, murtadeen and the spies of the west.

Again, the more we despise each other and the angrezan benefits from it.

Whether it's a democratic despising the Islamists, or whether it's the islamists despising the democrats.

The only thing they bash each other for is, "ISI SPIES, Pakistan controlled" and " Western slaves, pimps and thieves"

It will never get old

[Saifullah]

Currently Pakistan is worried when America leaves Afghanistan because they did a U-Turn on their policy of supporting taliban.

Analysts in Pakistan claim as america is leaving Afghanistan, it is likely that taliban will definately be a big player when it comes to leadership. So they want the govt of Pakistan to shift its policy and make friendship with taliban if not then they will have two enemies surrounding their nation.

Pakistan has been unable to affect what goes on in Afghanistan in the current times, because they were pressurised by America that they had even jailed their hero who made the nuclear bomb. Instead Afghanistan will affect Pakistans future to a greater extent.

[Zarawar]

Zarawar sometimes we have to admit the obvious.

During their regime nothing was positive. We had no governmental institutions, literacy rate was at an all time low and it was publically known and admitted by many Pakistanis that they created the Taliban movement.

We should not kill them or always criticize them but we have to admit they were trying to make slaves of Pakistan.

"During their regime nothing was positive"

Are you saying everything was positive in Afghanistan before the arival of Taliban? NO!
Infact, the situation got way better than that of early 1990s where MALES married MALES in some parts of the country and where women were kidnapped,raped and killed by warlords.


We had no governmental institutions, literacy rate was at an all time low and it was publically known and admitted by many Pakistanis that they created the Taliban movement.

Exactly, we had no such thing as government or any kind of authority left. Afghanistan was run by hundreds-thousands of warlords etc.

Taliban were not responsible for what the warlords and communists had done to kabul, Afghanistan.

They didn't leave Afghanistan in any worst condition than they got it. With their crippled economy of theirs.

Da khalqo bas amda ywa khabara zda da, oh they got supported by the Pakistanies.

Afghanistan ba sha jor krai, pa de hal.

Look at what's going on right now? Christinaity spreading in Kabul, prostition and alcohol is common among different peers.

Corruption, bribery, kidnapping, security, lies, badbakhti, Gham, Be ghairati, Be namosi, be hayayee, and the list goes.

If I had to choose between living right now and 1996-2001.

I sure would have chosen the Taliban era, I could care less about what people say.

At least, there was security and a strong central government presence.

When they said something, they would do it. (unlike the current government talking about trillions and billions of dollars, whereas non is any where to be seen)


By all that being said, that doesn't mean I should start a Jihad against the current government officials and sympathizers i.e. kill, capture, depose and cause harm. Because, that would only help the WESTERN/PAKISTANI/IRANIAN/RUSSIAN (communist) causes i.e. "Divide and rule" and play games on peoples minds.

What do you think is causing so many people joining Taliban now a days?

Do you really think it's the Taliban ideology? NO!

It's because people are tired of lies, neck-tied westernized PHD corrupt officials that claim to be the advocates of peace, democracy and what not. Whereas in reality they are the biggest traitors and sellouts.

And, the same goes with the government. People don't join the so called "democratic" process because they have a soft side for democracy/secularism etc. But, because they happen to come from a tribe/political party, where the elders opposes Taliban etc, OR money, i'd say majority are in the government because of the money.

[Zarawar]

Taliban have their own agenda and thats shariah. Pakistani money could be of some help for them but its more about islam to them. Thats why pakistans most wanted men are hiding in afghanistan in the ranks of taliban.

lol @ Shariah and the associating of Pakistan.

Pakistan pa kom wakht ke Islam gatalai chey wos ye da Talebano da larey gatee?

Pakistan kho khpala da Angrez aw da Hindu bachai dai.

Pakistan ka da Taleb sara mrasta kawee, pa de ye na kawee chey afghanan ye da zra sarona de. But to rely on Afghans if ever threatened from Indians. Because, Pakistanies know that if they can afford to keep a couple of thousand "Sar tere" Taliban, they might as well and use them against the Indians.

[Zarawar]

Pakistan I am sure is really happy with this news.

The reason for that is they want Americans to admit that the Taliban can't be defeated.

The Taliban will regain power and they will become the proxy of Pakistan again.

well, worst case, we will find a way to work with the Taliban.

I'm tired of people that makes taliban look like they are some kind of unstopable movement.

True, they might be gaining ground right now, because of the ignorance part from the central government (NATO/ISAF) and some other techniques that the Taliban use. (that i'd rather not discuss and stir up more trash)

Majority of the foot soldiers fighting alongside the Taliban are bright minded kids, motivated by western atrocities and central government ignorance on pashtun's issues. There are hundreds of kids that go home on "rokhsatyaney" from kabul to fight the coalition troops in the south, east and the north. Most of these teens either go to high schools, universities or private colleges in Kabul.

Most don not agree with the core ideology of Taliban themselves, but the fact that they can rely heavily on the Taliban movement (law, order, reliability, weapons/ammunition, organization, cover, protection, pride, showing toughness against the central government/NATO etc)

We have to look at Afghanistan from a different prospective, not a democratic or republican prospective.

There is no such thing as black and white (sometimes), you have to look into what really is going on.

Der dase da hokomat kar kawonkee dee, chey pa moseso aw NGOs ke kar kawee aw hamesh da gharbiano zed pa jango ke barkha akhlee, ya ye imkanat (mohemat) warta barabarawee.

Those too do not go parallel with Taliban ideologies, they reflect the Taliban image at this moment. But, I doubt they will remain TALIBAN once the foreign troops depart Afghanistan.
Infact, I'm positive!

[din]

Salamalaikum

Zorawar jaaana der zorawar kho ya mosh dey garda manu. zmosh wror ya dilta. da khpalo psho plai khpala ma prai kawa.

wos qudrat tola da parsibanao pa laas key dey. khpala zhaba wos ta pa Kabul ke nasway wayalay.

za ba yow sa misala dar kama kai ta ghwaray. pohantoon darta danishgah ka yey. Roghtoon darta shifakhana ka yey. shuwanzai oh dagha se nor. khpala kozha zhaba pa darta pa dari badala key. parsibanano dagha yaw goal mraam dey.

Ka Parsibanano hukmat laka wos che filhaal dey no mosh tola Pashtana zhaba ba da bekha dar wabasey. Sta zoi pa dari shuwanzai wayey.


Ka da yo Tajik sa poshtana wakey che Khayan Masood singawo hagha ba his kala ta ta bad wa na wayo da masood. oh da Masood goal che wo hagha dagha wo che da Afghanistan num warey ya khurasan hai key. Tajik his wakht pa Masood bad nawayey. oh ta pakhpalu wrono bandey singa bad wayey?

bakshana darsa ghwarama zma da spelling sara za da pinzoso kalo yama no zma compater dona sha nadey izda.

[Zarawar]

Salamalaikum

Zorawar jaaana der zorawar kho ya mosh dey garda manu. zmosh wror ya dilta. da khpalo psho plai khpala ma prai kawa.

wos qudrat tola da parsibanao pa laas key dey. khpala zhaba wos ta pa Kabul ke nasway wayalay.

za ba yow sa misala dar kama kai ta ghwaray. pohantoon darta danishgah ka yey. Roghtoon darta shifakhana ka yey. shuwanzai oh dagha se nor. khpala kozha zhaba pa darta pa dari badala key. parsibanano dagha yaw goal mraam dey.

Ka Parsibanano hukmat laka wos che filhaal dey no mosh tola Pashtana zhaba ba da bekha dar wabasey. Sta zoi pa dari shuwanzai wayey.


Ka da yo Tajik sa poshtana wakey che Khayan Masood singawo hagha ba his kala ta ta bad wa na wayo da masood. oh da Masood goal che wo hagha dagha wo che da Afghanistan num warey ya khurasan hai key. Tajik his wakht pa Masood bad nawayey. oh ta pakhpalu wrono bandey singa bad wayey?

bakshana darsa ghwarama zma da spelling sara za da pinzoso kalo yama no zma compater dona sha nadey izda.

Mohtarama Din saib,

Churlat, khabare de belkol pa zai de.

Kho da wakht dase na pate kegee,

Zaka ka nan kom sok pashtu da bain na wree,

Agha sara hatman Amreeka aw bal gharbi qudrat walar dai.

Aw mog pa de der sha poyego, chey Gharb la Afghanistan na wawzee no bya ba dase hal na wee.

Aw bal da pashtu masala wos domra bada nada, awala ke Gharbiano tol qudrat shamali walo ta warko, aw wos ye rwaz pa rwaz razona ifsha kege.

Pashtun qawm dona Engineer, Doctor, social worker, social activist, freedom activists, poets, writers, intellects aw dase nor leaderan laree chey his zarorat nashta chey mog ya da Hazara ya da bal na da de taqaza wako.

Kho wakht dase dai, motasefana GHARB doi pa gheg ke newalee, gham ye inshaAllah makawa,
Za da itmenan sara wayam chey JWANDEE WEE ZMARYAN.

[din]

dera manana magar mosh bayad khpal pa pashtano bad wa na wayo. hagha khalgo pa aryana airline ke pashto wayala wos pa hawai dagar ke tola elanona pa dari ke kezhey. dagha pai so da tajikano zmosh zhaba ra wrak ka ye.

za parta yaw ifitkhar kawama che ta pa deghey web paana key raghlay ya. mosh bayad da khpalo psho plai khpala na waho. pashto da zmosh zhaba pa pasho walar yo.

der bakshana darsa ghwarama za khabar yam che zma typing kamzora dey za dero umar saray yama.

[Zarawar]

dera manana magar mosh bayad khpal pa pashtano bad wa na wayo. hagha khalgo pa aryana airline ke pashto wayala wos pa hawai dagar ke tola elanona pa dari ke kezhey. dagha pai so da tajikano zmosh zhaba ra wrak ka ye.

za parta yaw ifitkhar kawama che ta pa deghey web paana key raghlay ya. mosh bayad da khpalo psho plai khpala na waho. pashto da zmosh zhaba pa pasho walar yo.

der bakshana darsa ghwarama za khabar yam che zma typing kamzora dey za dero umar saray yama.

Bas de mog kho Mashar ye, mog kho stase askar yo.

Inshallah da Watan ba da Mashrano pa mashwaro aw da zwanano pa amal jorawoo aw azadawo ba ye .

Zan kala kala pa takleef kawai aw khpal nazar khparawai.

[Admin Khan]

What made me laugh a little was the $20,000 reward, I mean seriously? The gangs of Kandahar when they kidnap someone they demand for $50,000-$100,000 for his head. Here we have American soldiers kidnapped and all they say they are willing to offer is $20,000?

Money is motivation. Talibano wos pa Shalo zaro dollara bandey khabarey na kezhey, hagha pa milliona cheghey wahey.