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    2 March 2014 Last updated at 04:39 Share this page






    Ukraine crisis: Obama urges Putin to pull troops back

    There were fierce clashes between pro and anti-Russian protesters in the eastern city of Kharkiv
    Continue reading the main story Ukraine crisis




    US President Barack Obama has told his Russian counterpart Vladimir Putin that Russia has flouted international law by sending troops to Ukraine.
    In a 90-minute telephone conversation, Mr Obama urged the Russian leader to pull forces back to bases in Crimea.
    Mr Putin responded by saying that Moscow reserves the right to protect its interests and those of Russian speakers in Ukraine, the Kremlin said.
    Meanwhile, Canada has recalled its ambassador to Moscow for consultations.

    UK Foreign Minister William Hague said he would travel to Kiev on Sunday

    Canadian Prime Minister Stephen Harper said he was also suspending Canada's preparations for a G8 summit in the Russian resort of Sochi in June.
    Ukraine says it has put its army on full combat alert after Russia's parliament approved the deployment of Russian troops.
    Acting President Olexander Turchynov said he had also stepped up security at key sites, including nuclear plants.
    'Clear violation' Mr Obama, the White House said, told Mr Putin that the appropriate way to address any concerns "is peacefully through direct engagement" with the Ukrainian government and international mediating bodies.
    "President Obama expressed his deep concern over Russia's clear violation of Ukrainian sovereignty and territorial integrity," the White House said.
    Mr Obama told Mr Putin his actions were a "breach of international law, including Russia's obligations under the UN Charter, and of its 1997 military basing agreement with Ukraine", a statement added.
    Continue reading the main story “Start Quote
    The facts on the ground are such that Russia, to a large extent, is already in control there ”
    Jonathan Marcus BBC diplomatic correspondent


    US Secretary of State John Kerry said he had spoken with foreign ministers from Europe and Canada as well as EU foreign policy chief Catherine Ashton and the Japanese envoy to the US "to co-ordinate on next steps".
    UN Secretary General Ban Ki-moon has called for "an immediate restoration of calm and direct dialogue", whilst Nato chief Anders Fogh Rasmussen tweeted: "Urgent need for de-escalation in Crimea."
    The UN Security Council was holding an emergency session on the crisis on Saturday, and Nato and EU officials are due to hold talks in the coming days.
    Bloody scuffles In his live television address, President Turchynov urged Ukrainians to bridge divisions in the country and said they must not fall for provocations.
    He was accompanied by acting Prime Minister Arseniy Yatsenyuk, who said he was "convinced" Russia would not intervene militarily "as this would be the beginning of war and the end of all relations".
    But tensions are high, not only in Crimea which is home to a large number of ethnic Russians.
    There were big pro-Russian rallies in several Ukrainian cities on Saturday.


    Pro-Russian demonstrations took place in several cities on Saturday

    In Donetsk, traditional stronghold of ousted Ukraine President Viktor Yanukovych, demonstrators from a crowd of some 7,000 tried unsuccessfully to occupy the regional administration building, raising a Russian tricolour on a nearby flag-post.
    In Kharkiv, Ukraine's second-biggest city, dozens of people were injured after scuffles between pro- and anti-Russian protesters broke out outside the regional administration building.
    In Mariupol, in the south-east, hundreds of protesters carrying Russian flags gathered outside the city council.
    Continue reading the main story Crimea

    • Autonomous republic within Ukraine
    • Transferred from Russia in 1954
    • Ethnic Russians - 58.5%*
    • Ethnic Ukrainians - 24.4%*
    • Crimean Tatars - 12.1%*
    • Source: Ukraine census 2001



    President Putin submitted the request for troops "in connection with the extraordinary situation in Ukraine and the threat to the lives of Russian citizens", the Kremlin said.
    The upper house went into a special session almost immediately after Mr Putin made the request, and swiftly approved it.
    Deputy Foreign Minister Grigory Karasin said, however, that this "does not mean that this right will be used quickly" to deploy troops.
    During the upper house debate, one legislator accused President Obama of crossing "a red line" with his comments on Friday that there would be "costs" if Russia intervened militarily in Ukraine.
    The upper house has recommended that the Russian ambassador to the US should be recalled, although the decision lies with Mr Putin.
    The build-up of Russia's military in Crimea was evident even before Saturday's vote in Moscow to send extra troops
    The presence of Russia has been welcomed by many of Crimea's ethnic Russians
    Pro-Russian populations in several eastern and southern cities across Ukraine took to the streets on Saturday to voice their opposition to the new interim government in Kiev
    Meanwhile, in Kiev's Independence Square, people gathered for the funeral of one of the 88 people killed in violent clashes with police that led to the departure of President Viktor Yanukovych a week ago
    Despite the political developments on Saturday, observers have been watching a build up of Russian military activity in Crimea - home to Russia's Black Sea Fleet - for the past few days.
    Latest reports say two Russian anti-submarine warships have appeared off the coast of Crimea in violation of an agreement governing the presence of Russia's Fleet in the peninsula.
    These activists in Donetsk tried to hoist the Russian flag over an administrative building
    But the protests turned bloody in Kharkiv after these pro-Kiev activists clashed with Russian supporters who were trying to enter an administrative office
    Russian soldiers are widely reported to be guarding a number of administrative buildings and military bases in Crimea. Parliament, airports, the state television building and telecommunications hubs have also been surrounded.
    Some 6,000 extra Russian troops and 30 additional armoured vehicles are now in Crimea, Ukrainian Defence Minister Ihor Tenyukh said earlier on Saturday.
    The newly-elected pro-Moscow leader of Crimea, Sergiy Aksyonov, said he had appealed to Mr Putin for help to ensure peace on the peninsula.
    The interim government in Kiev does not recognise Mr Aksyonov and his government, and signed a decree on Saturday that their election at an emergency session of the regional parliament this week was illegal.

  • #2
    the country fall into a civil war, russia won't pull out soon. its not geargia, russia has a good excuse to protect millions of russian in ukrain.

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    • #3
      this should be good.

      There are people today who think that admitting God’s absolute greatness decreases the value and importance of humans in the creation, as if God and mankind are rivals competing in greatness and power. Meanwhile I feel that whenever our perception of God’s greatness increases, with it we become greater, because we are the creation of a great God.

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      • #4
        This is entertaining.

        What costs was Obama talking about? That Ukrainians wont be dancing at gay night clubs anymore or drinking Russian vodka?

        Putin has won this, and could possibly take over the rest of the former European Soviet states in due time and if provoked (as with Ukraine). Europeans dont fight, and Putin knows this. Europe is not Asia. There will be no real Ukrainian insurgency for the West to support (aside from perhaps a few anarchists)- and the West is not going to go to war with Russia over Ukraine. Ukraine will simply become a lawless land where drug dealers/thugs/gangsters will run the show. If European economies continue to spiral downwards, this is the future of Europe.

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        • #5
          Sooner rather than later, there will be no more wars in Asia/East as long as Ukraine type events carry on.

          Russia, the US, and Europe will be in proxy conflict in Europe. Asia will be in peacetime.

          LOL Imagine the day Saudi Arabia and Iran call for a "Friends of Belgium" "Friends of France" summit.
          Last edited by Shah-i-Kot; 03-06-2014, 02:00 AM.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by Shah-i-Kot View Post
            This is entertaining.

            What costs was Obama talking about? That Ukrainians wont be dancing at gay night clubs anymore or drinking Russian vodka?

            Putin has won this, and could possibly take over the rest of the former European Soviet states in due time and if provoked (as with Ukraine). Europeans dont fight, and Putin knows this. Europe is not Asia. There will be no real Ukrainian insurgency for the West to support (aside from perhaps a few anarchists)- and the West is not going to go to war with Russia over Ukraine. Ukraine will simply become a lawless land where drug dealers/thugs/gangsters will run the show. If European economies continue to spiral downwards, this is the future of Europe.
            most of ukraine is eu allied except russian majority areas which is mostly crimerea. russia has been trying to portray a scene in the country where russians are in danger but of course this is not true and just a pretext. this conflict has hit the russian economy more than it has europes or americas, russia has more to lose from this than the rest of the west.

            the west has no need to support a potential ukrainian insurgency because the situation in the country will never get bad enough that there will ever be an insurgency. if it were to get that bad then state militaries would be involved and not an insurgency in a country with no such culture of insurgencies.

            on another note, listening to liberal radio today on the way home that was praising putin and russia was sickeing. not because of ukraine, but talking about this guy like he was a peace maker in syria over the chemical weapons thing. i hate these super leftistist socialist jews who will praise anything that is anti US as if the enemy of my enemy is my friend.
            There are people today who think that admitting God’s absolute greatness decreases the value and importance of humans in the creation, as if God and mankind are rivals competing in greatness and power. Meanwhile I feel that whenever our perception of God’s greatness increases, with it we become greater, because we are the creation of a great God.

            Sayyid Qutb

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            • #7
              Originally posted by randolph85 View Post
              most of ukraine is eu allied except russian majority areas which is mostly crimerea. russia has been trying to portray a scene in the country where russians are in danger but of course this is not true and just a pretext. this conflict has hit the russian economy more than it has europes or americas, russia has more to lose from this than the rest of the west.

              the west has no need to support a potential ukrainian insurgency because the situation in the country will never get bad enough that there will ever be an insurgency. if it were to get that bad then state militaries would be involved and not an insurgency in a country with no such culture of insurgencies.

              on another note, listening to liberal radio today on the way home that was praising putin and russia was sickeing. not because of ukraine, but talking about this guy like he was a peace maker in syria over the chemical weapons thing. i hate these super leftistist socialist jews who will praise anything that is anti US as if the enemy of my enemy is my friend.
              Please dont get the wrong idea from my opinion. I am no fan of Putin or Russia. I could care less if Russia and Europe go to war with each other.

              Read this. While MK Bhadrakumar is not always right, he highlights several important facts here about US-EU-Russian dependency on each other. (Russia's threat of dropping the dollar from oil sales, and EU's need for gas from Russia.)

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              • #8
                This place used to belong to Tatar Muslims and the Russians deported almost all of them to central Asia and colonized the peninsula with Russians and annexed it to Russia. Krushchev gave it to Ukraine so the Russians in Crimea could get land in Ukraine which was another colonization tactic of Ukraine by Russia. Now that the Russians are losing political influence in Ukraine, they have resorted to using force to keep what they can.

                Russians are hated by all of the people in the former soviet states because Russians used colonizations tactics in all of those states. People have lost their culture, their language, their soul because of Russia's immoral behavior and these are reactions to it. Russians are stupid and hard headed right now, eventually they will be part of the EU because no one else really wants them. They can not form an alliance with Central Asia or China.

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                • #9
                  The value of this news is that is goes to show that the US word/pledge has no value and is not worth its weight. If China were to take over Japanese territory tomorrow, the US troops stationed there will do absolutely nothing. North Korea has in the past hit South Korea with missiles and sunken a South Korean warship- the US did absolutely nothing. In fact, you dont need to be Einstein to foresee that North Korea is already thinking of taking over the South. The situation in Ukraine will have long term consequences for US geopolitical interests which are already in a mess. The Arabs are watching and seeing the US as a receding power-no longer having the financial, military, or political will to protect the puppet regimes that are in place.

                  It must be clear that all states around the world are watching US silence/inaction, and making decisions based on this observation.

                  Forget Ukraine, if Russia sends troops to Poland, the US forces stationed there will do absolutely nothing aside from packing up and leaving. The Patriot missile battery/F-16 fighter jets stationed there are useless because the US word is worthless. Putin is a thug (who supports Assad), but he is very witty as a global leader. You can't deny this just based on the fact that he is a thug.

                  The point where Putin probably realized he could do all this starts with Russia's war with Goergia in 2008. Then came Obama's red line on chemical weapons use in Syria which had no meaning at all, and disappeared after Assad used chemical weapons.

                  The truth of the matter is the US is powerless to do anything at this time. Slapping sanctions on Russia is like shooting your own foot. Sanctions on Russia means they wont be able to use the US dollar for trade- and that is precisely what Putin is threatening to do- drop the US dollar all together. Do you guys know what a hit the already downward US/EU economies will take?

                  Then Russia could also stop selling gas to EU- who depend a lot on Russian oil. Will the EU request that Saudi and Iran sell cheap oil? Do you think Saudi and (esp) Iran have a motive to sell cheap oil? These two nations already sell oil in other currencies outside the US dollar. Why do you think the US/EU economies are struggling to recover?
                  Last edited by Shah-i-Kot; 03-06-2014, 05:37 PM.

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