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    PAKISTAN AND ISRAEL | CAN WE BECOME FRIENDS

    TWO COUNTRIES CREATED ON THE BASES OF RELIGION





    In 1948, Israel was declared as independent state. Both Pakistan and Israel were established with the base of two nation theory. Pakistan was established in the name of Islam while Israel was established for the homeland of Jewish people. But Israel label Pakistan "an antisemitic state" and Pakistan label Israel "A Zionist and racist state". However recently, both Israeli and Pakistani politicians have called for the normalization of diplomatic relations

    An attempt to establish diplomatic relations with Pakistan and Israel was made in 1947, when Israel's first Prime minister David Ben-Gurion sent a telegram to Jinnah—Pakistan's founder. But Jinnah instead stated,

    “Every man and woman of the Muslim world will die before Jewry seizes Jerusalem. I hope the Jews will not succeed in their nefarious designs and I wish Britain and America should keep their hand off and then I will see how the Jews conquer Jerusalem. The Jews, over half a million, have already been accommodated in Jerusalem against the wishes of the people. May I know which other country has accommodated them? If domination and exploitation are carried now, there will be no peace and end of wars”.


    RECOGNITION OF ISRAEL

    Pakistan didn't recognize Israel. However, in 2005, the foreign ministers of the two countries held talks for the first time.Following the meeting Musharraf said Pakistan will not recognize the state of Israel until an independent Palestinian state is established,—although, according to Musharraf, Pakistan will eventually recognize Israel. There was no need for Pakistan to go against Israel but still Pakistan go against them and help Arab nations against Jewish state because their army was not that powerful and advanced as Pakistani army was.

    PAKISTAN'S ACTION AGAINST ISRAEL

    During Israel's War of Independence, Israel's diplomatic mission in Washington received information that Pakistan was trying to provide military assistance to the Arabs, including rumors that a Pakistani battalion would be sent to Palestine to fight alongside them. Pakistan bought 250,000 rifles in Czechoslovakia that apparently were meant for the Arabs. Also, it became known that Pakistan bought three planes in Italy for the Egyptians.

    The Pakistan helped Aran nations against Israel by participating in the 1967 Six-Day War and the 1973 Yom Kippur War; Pakistani pilots flying Jordanian and Syrian planes repeatedly engaged the Israeli Air Force and shot down Israeli planes. Saiful Azam, a Pakistani pilot shot down at least 4 Israeli planes during the Six-Day War. After the Yom Kippur War, Pakistan and the PLO signed an agreement for training PLO officers in Pakistani military institutions. During the 1982 Lebanon War, Pakistani volunteers served in the PLO, and 50 were taken prisoner during the Siege of Beirut.

    ISRAEL'S ACTION AGAINST PAKISTAN

    Israel didn't stay silent too. As Israel has threat from Muslim countries, Israel attack Iraq's nuclear reactor. Israel tried to attack Pakistan's Kahuta research facility in 1981 too by using Indian airfield. India was allegedly warned that Islamabad would attack Trombay if the Kahuta facilities were hit. The Prime Minister Indira Gandhi eventually aborted the operation despite protests from military planners in New Delhi and Jerusalem.

    BOTH COUNTRIES WORKING TOGETHER

    Pakistan and Israel has worked with each other in the 1980s (1980–1988), during the Soviet war in Afghanistan. CIA along with MI5, Mossad and Pakistani-based intelligence ISI, ran a covert operation named Operation Cyclone in Afghanistan to remove the Soviets from the country. During the operation Israel and Pakistan also had high-level dealings through their intelligence agencies, which included military dealings. Israel also supported Pakistan by providing Soviet weapons to Pakistan during the 1980s.
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    My View:

    Pakistanis are too emotional and can be easily fooled for religion and Muslim Ummah.

    Pakistani participated in every single war in middle east while not a single country fought for pakistan against India.

    An average palestinian has a higher per capita income than a pakistani,Indian or bangladesh's.

    Its time to recognize israel.and start having Good relations with them.

    Our country interest should be the top priority not the people of palestinian.And even if we don't recognize it this doesnt affect the average palestinian
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    • #3
      Not until the day they stop treating Palestinians like dogs. even most Europeans/Americans when they visit Palestine become emotional looking at the condition of Palestinians
      Last edited by Karachi; 02-22-2014, 04:36 PM.

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      • #4
        Originally posted by Karachi View Post
        Not until the day they start treating Palestinians like dogs. even most Europeans/Americans when they visit palestine become emotional looking at the condition of Palestinians
        The situation will remain so forever even if we don't recognize them

        And if we can recognize them than atleast we can mutually find any solid solution for this problem

        And most important we are in much worst situation than them.Just look at the poverty in Pakistan and than look at palestine.Their per capita income is higher than us and they are less bombed than we are.

        We should first think and settle our country and than only think about Muslim thousand miles away from us.

        Most of muslim countries today are realizing this.Jordan,Turkey and azerbaijaan already are having good relations witht hem

        GCC might soon recoginize Israel including KSA.

        Than why the hell we Pakistanis think as Thekedaar of Muslim world.

        Our per capita is less than Sudan and we think we can settle problems of few million muslims thousand miles away that too just by not recoginize one of the most important country in the world
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        • #5
          Originally posted by Da Bannu Mazdigar View Post
          The situation will remain so forever even if we don't recognize them

          And if we can recognize them than atleast we can mutually find any solid solution for this problem

          And most important we are in much worst situation than them.Just look at the poverty in Pakistan and than look at palestine.Their per capita income is higher than us and they are less bombed than we are.

          We should first think and settle our country and than only think about Muslim thousand miles away from us.

          Most of muslim countries today are realizing this.Jordan,Turkey and azerbaijaan already are having good relations witht hem

          GCC might soon recoginize Israel including KSA.

          Than why the hell we Pakistanis think as Thekedaar of Muslim world.

          Our per capita is less than Sudan and we think we can settle problems of few million muslims thousand miles away that too just by not recoginize one of the most important country in the world
          Well I think you are not aware of the jews enemity towards Muslims. Even the West has extreme doubts over the Israelis' behavior. Why should we accept Israel ? What is the benefit of that ? You secularists always create more problems for Pakistanis and Pakistan by introducing new ideas which has badly disturbed the country's situation. Musharraf was one of this kind and now he beghairat does not want to stay for a single minute in Pakistan, he threw pakistanis into the hell fire of others' war and now wants to go away like a dog even a dog is sincere.

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          • #6
            How about they both disappear together
            Originally posted by Elite Pakhtun
            I still remember those pieces of garbage asking US presidents, when they visit, stuff like "why can't we (India) teach them (Pakistan) a lesson?". Morr kus de ughaym.. f*cking indiot garbage. I f*cking hate them so f*cking much. Afkoonis jumping on indiot d*ck is f*cking annoying too.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by jankhan View Post
              Well I think you are not aware of the jews enemity towards Muslims. Even the West has extreme doubts over the Israelis' behavior. Why should we accept Israel ? What is the benefit of that ? You secularists always create more problems for Pakistanis and Pakistan by introducing new ideas which has badly disturbed the country's situation. Musharraf was one of this kind and now he beghairat does not want to stay for a single minute in Pakistan, he threw pakistanis into the hell fire of others' war and now wants to go away like a dog even a dog is sincere.
              The enemity is mutual.We hate jews and hence they hate us.

              Look at the druze in the israel.they are even in the army.they are muslims

              Musharaf was extremely good at economics but he made some big mistakes.such as the entry into the War on terror
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              • #8
                Originally posted by Da Bannu Mazdigar View Post
                The enemity is mutual.We hate jews and hence they hate us.

                Look at the druze in the israel.they are even in the army.they are muslims

                Musharaf was extremely good at economics but he made some big mistakes.such as the entry into the War on terror
                Ahan so you accept that that was the biggest mistake made by musharaf ??????????????????????????????

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by jankhan View Post
                  Ahan so you accept that that was the biggest mistake made by musharaf ??????????????????????????????
                  Ofcourse,He should have knew that Afghanistan was recently invaded and alot of terrorism will pass into Pakistan.

                  In short the peace deal with Nek Muhammad wazir in 2004 should have never been broken
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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Da Bannu Mazdigar View Post
                    Ofcourse,He should have knew that Afghanistan was recently invaded and alot of terrorism will pass into Pakistan.

                    In short the peace deal with Nek Muhammad wazir in 2004 should have never been broken
                    Good so it means the root cause of this all terrorism in Pakistan is due to the head of the pak army and his group. Lets hang them all *******s and I bet 90% of terrorism will vanish automatically.

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                    • #11
                      this bannu guy seems like a professional troll.
                      maybe badluns new alter ego or Toramana in disguise.

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                      • #12
                        both nations came out of the same satanic womb and they both have terrorized muslims since their birth so recognition and friendship only seems natural. the only difference really is that the jews don't kill their own and they are smart, pakistan is like the slow brother with autism.
                        There are people today who think that admitting God’s absolute greatness decreases the value and importance of humans in the creation, as if God and mankind are rivals competing in greatness and power. Meanwhile I feel that whenever our perception of God’s greatness increases, with it we become greater, because we are the creation of a great God.

                        Sayyid Qutb

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                        • #13
                          After killing thousands of muslims and invading the holy land of muslims,you want your country to recoginse the illigal state of isreal?

                          No way untill they give full freedom to palistine and leave al-aqsa mosque and jerusalim.After that there should,nt be any problem.
                          In general jews are like anyother human and people should,nt hate all of them cus of their race or religion.There are many good one too.
                          Isreal waste no time to blame muslims accross the world for any bad thing.
                          They have a policy of anti-muslim.
                          The jews lobby working day and night on this.
                          As far as pakistan,s relation with isreal so both are created by the west for their own interests.
                          Both are anti-muslims.Both are working for west.
                          No doubt pakistan killing pashtuns and baluchs like isreal killing arabs.
                          Religion is tool always used by west for divide and rule.
                          If you are a good muslim then present your religion to the world in positive maners.
                          Pakistan harm islam more then anytother coutnry of the world.
                          Even its citizens pashtuns,punjabis,sindis etc never been extremists .so think about it why it was created.



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                          • #14
                            [MENTION=10678]Da Bannu Mazdigar[/MENTION]

                            I disagree with you. We must stay away from the Israelis. They are not our friends, and not our problem.

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