Iran says may send forces into Pakistan

[Bengal_Tiger]

Iran says may send forces into Pakistan territory

By Associated Press

TEHRAN, Iran — Tehran’s interior minister has warned Pakistan that Iranian forces may enter Pakistani and Afghan territory to released border guards seized by a rebel group.

Abdolreza Rahmani Fazli’s remarks on state TV come a week after the little-known Jaish al-Adl posted photos on Twitter of five men it claims are border guards it seized near Pakistan.

He said Iran had asked Pakistan to treat the case “strongly and seriously” or allow Iran to secure the remote region “deep on Afghanistan and Pakistan soil.”

“Otherwise we do consider it our own right to intervene and create a new security sphere for our safety,” he said.

http://www.dailyherald.com/article/20140217/news/140218684/

[Da Bannu Mazdigar]

Pakistan is to be blamed,Why was pakistan soil used against iran?

[Bengal_Tiger]

Pakistani nationalists use the fact that they have a nuclear bomb as their primary source of boasting. They claim the fact that they have a nuclear bomb makes them a major power. This is part of the typical Pakistani/Punjabi need to boast and be arrogant and also total divorce from reality.

1. North Korea has a nuclear bomb, Japan doesn't (not that one that is known of) but of course Japan is a far greater power than North Korea.

Turkey, another Muslim country, has no nuclear bomb (that anyone is aware of) but has far more importance politically, economically and even militarily than Pakistan.



2. Iran is a far stronger state than Pakistan.

Foreign bases: Pakistan has US bases - Iran has no foreign bases.

Foreign troops: Pakistan has/had US troops on its soil - Iran has no foreign soldiers on its soil.

Drones: America bombs Pakistani territory (Pashtun areas) with drones - Iran shoots American drones down.



US drone shot down by Iranians.

Conflict with America: America can enter Pakistani territory unannounced and kill Bin Laden - Iran will never tolerate any US intrusion on to its soil and is sending Iranian naval ships off the coast.




Iranian ships heading towards the US maritime coast to patrol.

Economically: Pakistan is dependent on US/IMF handouts for survival - Iran is under sanctions but has the highest rate of scientific research in the Muslim world and one of the highest in the world in general. It carries out strategic currency deals with China and others to undermine the US petro-dollar and it subsidises the Damascus government in Syria, which without Iranian support would collapse.


Iranians do not even think of comparing themselves with Pakistan which they look down upon as a state and also racially (Iranians look down on Pakistanis as an inferior, darker Indic people ) and all of the facts above (besides the racism) justify this.

Pakistani nationalists even talk of a confederation with Bangladesh, which is over 1,000 miles away but they never talk about a confederation or union with Iran which is right next door. The truth is Iranians look down on Pakistanis and consider them irrelevant, deep down Pakistanis though they may deny this know this, this is why some of them will talk nonsense about a confederation with Bangladesh but never dream of doing the same with their next door neighbour Iran.

[Bengal_Tiger]

Now, I am no friend of the Iranian regime which oppresses Sunnis and non-Persians and is a fascist Shia-Persian state. However it is far, far stronger than Pakistan which cannot even control its own borders.

A while ago the Pakistani parliament passed a resolution against Bangladesh executing a Bangladeshi citizen convicted of murdering Bangladeshi civilians on Bangladeshi soil i.e. Qader Molla.

When Bangladesh did this no Pakistani was hurt, no Pakistani lost any money but the Pakistani regime which eyes Bangladesh as spiritually "ex-East Pakistan" went mad and started violating Bangladeshi national sovereignty and commenting on our domestic affairs.


Now here we have Iran openly talking of violating Pakistan's internationally recognized borders - United Nations recognized borders - and sending their soldiers in.

- Will the cowardly Pakistani regime and parliament pass a resolution against this, as they did when Bangladesh executed Qader Molla?

- Will the cowardly Pakistani regime summon the Iranian ambassador in Islamabad and warn him?

The Pakistani regime is weak and can do little.

It has a nuclear bomb.

However it uses its weapons on its own citizens, be they Pashtuns in FATA or Balochis in Balochistan including the use of fighter jets. Imagine Barack Obama sending F-22s to bomb American civilians in Oklahama.

So the Pakistan army are:

- Cowards
- Bullies (they can't take on Iran but on Balochi civilians)


In theory the Pakistani regime should tell the Iranians that they will deal with militant groups that attack Iran from Pakistani soil. However even they know they are not capable of dealing with these militants and the Iranians know this too, so Iran is openly speaking of sending its army in to "the land of the pure", Pakistan.

The guardians of the "land of the pure" i.e. "Pakistan", its army with their nuclear bomb may not be able to stop the Iranians who do not have a nuclear bomb.





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Here are some quotes from Pakistani hate-site Defence.pk on this issue from loud-mouthed Pakistani nationalists, who I doubt will be able to deliver on their big words.

http://defence.pk/threads/iran-says-may-send-forces-into-pak-territory.300517/

.i think Iran is doing nothing but firing from a gun with no bullets . they should not give such statements , or else they have nothing in return for 5 baburs .....

(Baburs are Pakistani missiles)

Post #4



Iran can go fck themselves...pakistan planning to send bombers into Iran soon in revenge.


Post #7



every country Fcuk Pakistan by calling themselves brotherly nation or ally ...... if we dont give them a hard statement they might try some adventures .... they stand against US so now they think they are tiger of this region , they should realize that Pakistan is much more stronger than them even without nukes , better stat in their "AUQAAT"


Post #13. A delusional Pakistani nationalist who thinks Pakistan is "stronger" than Iran.



Do not say anything to these Iranian people and if they enter Pakistan, send some JF17s to take them out and engage with Iranian air force and take them down...

This way all arab nations will JF17s and we will get some sales as it will be classified as tested in battle field as well ..


Post #15




Iran can't do that. If Iranian ever planned to do so then Pakistan should retaliate by nuking Tehran first...!!!
Happy???


Post #16, another Pakistani idiot talk about nuking Iran when Pakistan cannot even defeat a few thousand Balochi rebels.




Iranian: Iran has raised this issue with Pakistan for quite some time now. But all efforts were unfruitful; elements from Pakistani territory are still attacking Iranian forces from the borders, quickly retreating back to Pakistan as well. So Pakistan can't either control these terrorist groups on its soil, or simply isn't willing to do so. In either case, Iran is justified to use Pakistani soil to quell these terrorist elements. A nation's territorial integrity should only be respected if that nation has full control over its own territory.


#28, The Iranian is saying that the "mighty" nuclear Pakistan cannot even control its own borders and country so someone else has to do it for them.




Indian: Iran should go ahead with this plan. The timing is perfect.

Pakistan army has never won any war. And what they are doing in WoT is not hidden from anyone. They failed miserably. Yeah, thats right. They failed. They could not finish the terrorism nor the terrorists. (Sometimes I feel why Pakistan government pays them lol)

Iranians will get an easy walk infront of this kind of "force".

#40




Saudi: Sending forces inside Pakistan territory without Pakistan approval is a violation to its sovereignty.

#53


The Saudi is totally correct and if it happens it means that the "mighty" nuclear Pakistan has once again been humiliated as it cannot stop violations of its sovereignty.




Pakistani: On topic, whats wrong with them. They killed our fishermen a couple of days ago and before that fired rockets in our territory and now they might send forces?? Is Nawaz Sharif deluded or what?? For once, he should come up with a statement even if he doesn't have the spine to do much else.

So Iran can:

a: Kill Pakistani citizens (fishermen)

b: Fire rockets in to Pakistani territory.

...and

c: Threatening to send its army inside Pakistan

lolz


#58

[Da Bannu Mazdigar]

It is just because of the better and more patriotic iranian leadership

Otherwise you yourself can compare the conventional power of Iran and pakistan military

Be it Air force,naval or army firepower.Pakistan is far more stronger than Iran.and iran acknowledge this itself

Though Pakistan at the moment is under heavy pressure,be it the peace deals with taliban or might launch operation.instability in afghanistan which affect is more than any other country,issues with india and economic problems


TTP case is different.They are into different warfare and you just can't bomb them but if we go into a war with iran.Which is not even possible but i am just supposing this

it will take pakistan hardly 1 week to bring them down.probably even less than a week.

[Smarty]

Lol even with nukes no one is afraid of pakistan. Even a country like iran can boss around pakistan

[Bengal_Tiger]

About topic@

While i believe Pakistan should reply with more firepower if they try to do so.

Post by Farhan 9909 a.k.a. "Da Lahore Mazdigar" in this forum. The fact is the Pakistani military is scared of the powerful Iranian army (whilst the Iranians are not scared of the Pakistani army hence threatening to send their army in to Pakistan, killing Pakistani citizens [fishermen] and firing missiles in to Pakistan) so I doubt Pakistan will "reply with more firepower"

#61




An Iranian replys to a Pakistani calling this "a joke" by saying:


The only joke here is a country who can't protect its own territory, don't you think?

Yes, Pakistan is indeed a joke and an even bigger joke since its boasts about its "nuclear might", which has never stopped American, Indian, Afghan and Iranian armies from bombing it.





Iranian: This will ruin our relation with Pakistan.in return this will bring safety to our people in Sistan and Baluchestan province as well.fair deal I must say.

The Iranian basically says he could care very little about having good relations with Pakistan i.e. it is so insignificant and unimportant.

lol

#81

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Pakistani: Iran needs to watch it's words. This is not diplomacy nor politics. This is a knee jerk reaction with no thought of the retribution awarded by Pakistan to Iran. Militarily they are not a match to us.

#121

The same Pakistan which gets bombed by American drones almost every week and gets people killed every week by the Taliban is now far superior to Iran militarily?





A weak country like iran is baring its fang at us because of our internal conflicts in north west and balochistan.

This quote is by "pak-one" a.k.a. well known Pakistani troll "Luffy" (banned from Khyberwatch by me). This idiot is calling Iran a weak country when it can shoot down US drones and send ships off the US coast!

lol.

#147




Pakistani: Iran should do this. We are a nation who were unable yo rescue our own soldiers captured in 2010 and yesterday they were slaughtered. We have no right to stop Iran. If iran cares about its soldier iran should send special forces to rescue its soldier.


A Pakistani saying that the "mighty nuclear" Pakistan is incapable of controlling its territory so Iran should send its army inside Pakistan.


#188







How dare Iran talk about sending troops in Pakistan? Don't they know we already sold that patent to our great ally the United Snakes of America?


A Pakistani admitting that Pakistan is a weak Mickey mouse state which America sends its soldiers inside.


#195





This has now gotten ridiculous, first the US mocked us, then India, then even Iran and Afghanistan, we Pakistanis are all very welcoming of the Ummah but the Ummah sh*ts on our faces everytime, our government should atleast have the balls to give a stern reply.....

Pakistani admitting his country is weak and countries "sh*t" on it. America, India, Iran, Afghanistan and also defeated by Bangladesh in 1971.


#205





Jamaati terrorist: There was relative calm for at least two years in Iran-Pakistan border there were even some activities to build pipeline across. Since, Nawaz came to power things started to heating up. Is that co incidence or just because of some external, more precisely Saudi, instigation?

Pakistan has nothing to gain from attack on Iran or Iranian border guards. It is Saudis who are hell bent spreading Shia sunni strife.

From a strategic and long term prospective, Pakistan is in difficult BUT in unique position to hold hands of both Iran and Saudis and asked them to come to terms of shared lead and responsibility of future. That is where Pakistan can maximize benefits for all. That prospect will also allow Pakistan to concentrate on internal and issues in eastern border.

That is a comment by "Idune", a well-known Jamaati from Bangladesh and who has attacked the Bangladeshi army and supported calls for terrorism against Bangladesh. The Jamaati attacks the Saudis.

The same stupid Saudis who give millions and millions to the pro-Iranian Jamaatis.


#239

[Da Bannu Mazdigar]

Pakistan cannot use its nuke against iran.

they are not meant to be used against iran.

PAF pilots are known world wide.Iran has no fighter even comparable to JF-17 which is made in pakistan.let alone our 3 decades experience with F-16.They still use the last century sparrow as the Main BVR while we have SD-10,AIM-120 as well as a pakistani reverse engineered variant of South african darter

Iranian navy destroyer are smaller than Pakistan navy corvette.the funny part is they have renamed 500tons ships as destroyer while our destroyer are close to 4000tons.

their army is good.Gear is as good as PA or even better.But they don't have the combat experience as much Pakistan army has.

Pakistan army today is the most experienced army in the world,no wonder we have killed 28k animals aka taliban compared to 80k by 42 countries in afghanistan.While our operations were also very limited.

[Da Bannu Mazdigar]

The funny part about the topic is started by a bengali who are not even considered humans by Arabs and iranian.

In uae not even the pakistanis want to go to bengali restaurants.infact even the arabs opt for indian cuisine but not bengali.

No disrespect toward bengali but this ******* @Bengal tiger is a ******* tamil from india.it is said that he was sexually abused by arabs many times since he was a babysitter in one of the gulf countries

[Da Bannu Mazdigar]

when i will find out your Account on PDF,Believe me i will personaly report it to ahsan farooqi and put a block on your IP aswell

[Shah-i-Kot]

^
The fact is Iran has downed a US drone on the Afghan-Iran border. Iran has also used their fighter jets to chase US aircraft outside their declared airspace. Contrast this with Pakistan that permits drone strikes in FATA/KP, and supports the US/NATO war in Afghanistan. US/NATO then goes and conducts airstrike on Pakistan post, killing 24 Pakistan troops, and all Pakistan does is close the NATO supply lines.

I think Pakistan will take this warning seriously. Saudi Prince was recently in Pakistan a few days ago to discuss Pakistan's position on Iran. Off course, all Saudi has to do is throw a billion dollars, and they will get access to Pakistani nukes. Pakistan has always been for sale.

^This is the reason Iran has issued this warning. It is grouping Pakistan along with US, Israel, Saudi, and the GCC nations.

[Shah-i-Kot]

The funny part about the topic is started by a bengali who are not even considered humans by Arabs and iranian.

Actually, the topic is a news article

[Da Bannu Mazdigar]

^
The fact is Iran has downed a US drone on the Afghan-Iran border. Iran has also used their fighter jets to chase US aircraft outside their declared airspace. Contrast this with Pakistan that permits drone strikes in FATA/KP, and supports the US/NATO war in Afghanistan. US/NATO then goes and conducts airstrike on Pakistan post, killing 24 Pakistan troops. Why has the US/NATO not done this to Iran. Zahedan in Iran is another sanctuary for the Afghan insurgency. Clearly the US/NATO is wary of starting a conflict with Iran.

I think Pakistan will take this warning seriously. Saudi Prince was recently in Pakistan a few days ago to discuss Pakistan's position on Iran. Off course, all Saudi has to do is throw a billion dollars, and they will get access to Pakistani nukes. Pakistan has always been for sale.

^This is the reason Iran has issued this warning. It is grouping Pakistan along with US, Israel, Saudi, and the GCC nations.

Well i have always supported iranian Govt.I admire the iranian leaders,They always look for their national interest first.

But this certainly doesnt mean that if they attack pakistan,We will just sit doing nothing neither does this makes their military superior

Pakistan can't use nukes against iran.Infact not even against india unless it is loosing.

Pakistan conventional forces hold alot of superiority over Iranian forces.

They should not mistake pakistan for arab states.the damage they will get from pakistan in a week will be more than from a decade long war with iraq.

[Da Bannu Mazdigar]

Actually, the topic is a news article

indeed but look at his other comments

I know it seem like his family was abused by pakistan army during the parition and i can feel his pain.But it doesnt mean he should be allowed to talk in our internal matter.

though i believe he's a tamil.because i have seen him supporting tamil

[Adam]

I think the main issue in an Iran Vs Pak scenario would be munitions, Iran has been stockpiling for years while Pak has obv been burning them away in FATA and KPK. Pak would probably run into the same situation UK and France did during the Libya drama