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    Denmark outlaws Jewish and Muslim ritual slaughter as of next week


    By SAM
    SOKOL
    02/14/2014 01:18

    Animal rights come before religion, states agriculture and food minister; Kantor: Move is an attack on Jewish religious practice.

    Jewish and Muslim ritual slaughter will be illegal in Denmark starting on Monday, by order of Agriculture and Food Minister Dan Jørgensen.

    Ritual slaughter, known in Hebrew as shechita, is already banned in Poland, Iceland, Norway, Sweden and Switzerland.

    The Netherlands attempted to ban shechita, but a deal was brokered, legalizing the practice in 2012.

    On Monday, all slaughter that is not preceded by stunning will be forbidden in Denmark, rendering it impossible for ritual slaughter to be carried out according to Shar’ia or Halacha, Danish station TV2 reported on Wednesday.

    “Animal rights come before religion,” the minister was quoted as saying.

    Slaughterhouses will no longer be able to apply for an exemption from pre-stunning.

    While Denmark’s 6,000 Jews currently do not practice shechita, instead importing kosher meat from abroad, the ruling does affect the country’s Muslim minority.

    Heretofore, Denmark had required animals slaughtered without pre-stunning to be stunned immediately after their throats were cut.

    A debate over the morality of such slaughter has raged in Denmark since the summer, when previous Agriculture minister Karen Hækkerup stated her opposition to all slaughter without pre-stunning.

    Hækkerup was responding to the demand of a Muslim organization, that it be allowed to butcher animals without any stunning either prior to or following the cutting.

    Replying to critics who accused him of violating his citizens’ religious rights, the minister said that “when [Jews and Muslims] are upset about the ban, even though they have not taken advantage of the exemptions available, it can only be because in the future they would like to carry out slaughter without stunning.”

    Speaking with The Jerusalem Post on Thursday, local Jewish leader Finn Schwartz said that his community is in discussions with Danish authorities and is in contact with the minister. “We and the Muslim organizations are talking about this,” he said.

    The move was not prompted by anti-Semitism, Schwartz said, adding that, normally, relations between the Denmark’s Jewish community and the government is “perfect.”

    Schwartz also indicated that the minister’s move to ban shechita without going through parliament was, in his view, problematic.

    “When you have religious minorities in a society you should also respect the religious minority even if you really don’t like some of the things [they] are doing. If you want to change fundamental rules that concern the religious minorities then you should have an open discussion,” he said.

    Jewish organizations harshly censured Denmark over the impending ban on Thursday.

    “This attack on basic Jewish religious practice in Denmark puts into question the continuance of community life in the country and follows strongly on the heels of persistent attacks on Jewish circumcision,” European Jewish Congress President Moshe Kantor said.

    Kantor said that he hoped the ban was not an attempt to “placate or mollify animal rights activists in light of the international criticism” Denmark received after zookeepers shot and killed a giraffe in Copenhagen, before dissecting it in front of a crowd of children and feeding its meat to the lions, several days ago.

    European Commissioner for Health Tonio Borg also condemned the ban, saying that it “contradicts European law.” He made the statement during a meeting with Rabbi Menachem Margolin of the European Jewish Association, the rabbi told the Post.

    The Conference of European Rabbis intends to raise the issue of “continuous attacks against religious minorities in Europe,” during a meeting with European Commission President José Manuel Barroso on Monday, CER head Rabbi Pinchas Goldschmidt told the Post on Thursday.

    The Danish ban constituted a “further erosion of religious liberties and freedoms in Europe,” Goldschmidt said.

    Given recent efforts by lawmakers and regulators in several countries to outlaw fundamental Jewish practices, such as circumcision and ritual slaughter, there is fear that any such ban, even one with as little practical affect on the Jewish community as Denmark’s, would have an outsized impact as “part of an increasing domino effect in some parts of Europe,” former Israeli ambassador to Denmark Yitzhak Eldan told the Post.

    Speaking on behalf of the Israeli-Jewish Congress, a body that works to represent European Jewish interests to Israeli lawmakers, Eldan said that the organization is working with both the local Jewish community, MKs and European parliamentarians to reverse the decision.

    A Denmark government spokesman told the Post that the ban was fully compliant with European Commission regulations that require pre-stunning, but provide an exemption for religious slaughter.

    European Union member states observing “national rules aimed at ensuring more extensive protection of animals at the time of killing” are permitted to maintain such local laws, provided they informed the EC before the new European regulations took effect in the beginning of 2013.

    Charlotte Vilstrup of the Food Agriculture and Fisheries Ministry said: “The current version of this order has been issued on January 1, 2013. The order will be changed on Monday 17, 2014. The power to issue or change orders is delegated to the minister and we (the DVFA) therefore act on behalf of the minister. This is common procedure for issuing of and making changes in orders.

    “We think that it is fully in line with…Council Regulation 1099/2009,” she said.




    *Denmark a country where animal brothels i.e. rape of animals is legal but thousands of years of Jewish methods of producing meat is not.

    May Allah protect us from Islamophobia, anti-semitism, racism and bigotry.

    Ameen, thumma ameen.
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  • #2
    Yes animal rights do come before so called religious rites. Poor animals are tortured on the name of religion. What religion has to do with food and slaughtering. What is the place of butcher's knife if you have the technology and stunning techniques. Why Muslims and Jews want to live with centuries old traditions instead of modern developments.

    All other countries must follow Denmark, Poland, Iceland, Norway, Sweden and Switzerland.

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    • #3
      Originally posted by Badlun View Post
      Yes animal rights do come before so called religious rites. Poor animals are tortured on the name of religion. What religion has to do with food and slaughtering. What is the place of butcher's knife if you have the technology and stunning techniques. Why Muslims and Jews want to live with centuries old traditions instead of modern developments.

      All other countries must follow Denmark, Poland, Iceland, Norway, Sweden and Switzerland.
      Has your outlook on life been warped by Disney? We hide behind the facade of bring civilised because we get our food plastic wrapped from a supermarket, never mind the environmental damage caused by having every food available, irrespective of season, 365 days a year.

      In the real world, it isn't so pretty. Food is seasonal, hunting or culling raised animals is not always watchable. Even your Discovery Channel gives you a sanitised view of a lion hunt whereas most of us can figure that necks and arteries are punctured. No animal rights there. Nature doesn't give most predators a vegetarian option.

      Whether Denmark decides to ban ritual slaughter or not, it doesn't take away from the very strong opinions held by many that animals crammed into crates and pens waiting for slaughter must feel some kind of stress. Abattoirs are places where animals are lined up to be killed so that humans can go on pretending that we haven't made them suffer.

      Zabihah/Halal meat has certain conditions, many of which challenge the stress and inhumanity imposed by modern food production.

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      • #4
        ANIMAL RAPE IN DENMARK

        DENMARK

        Animal brothels are perfectly legal and
        raping an animal carries no punishment




        IceNews from 20 May, 2008

        Laws in both Denmark and Norway are fairly open when it comes to a person’s legal right to engage in sexual activity with an animal. The law states that doing so is perfectly legal, so long as the animal involved does not suffer. According to the Danish newspaper 24timer, this interesting gap in the law has led to a flourishing business in which people pay in order to have sex with animals.

        On the internet, several Danish animal owners openly advertise their services. The newspaper contacted several such individuals and was told that many of the animals have been engaged in this kind of activity for several years and that the animals crave the sexual stimulation. The newspaper found that the cost charged by the animal owners varied from DKK 500 to 1,000 (USD$85 to $170).

        Since Danish laws are so similar to Norwegian laws, the animal bordello phenomenon has led many to question if such a practice could be legal in Norway as well.

        Torunn Knaevelsrud is the section chief for animal welfare for the Norwegian Food Safety Authority. “It is difficult to say yes or no,” he replied to a question about the legality of animal bordellos in Norway.

        “It could be that the animals don’t really care,” Knaevelsrud said. “But I think it is in the nature of the case that animals will often be victims of injury, stress or suffering in connection with sexual acts with humans. Either that they are held fast, or frightened, or suffer pain or physical injury,” Knaevelsrud said.

        Norway is currently reviewing its Animal Protection Act and several groups, including the Norwegian Animal Welfare Alliance, have proposed making amendments which forbid sexual intercourse with animals.

        “The acts provoke moral disgust. The question is whether immorality should be made illegal. The FSA group discussing the new animal protection act has been in disagreement about this,” Knaevelsrud said.

        One of the owners of an animal bordello in Denmark said that many of his clients come from abroad and travel some distance for his services. “But the clients tell us that it is much simpler to buy animal sex in Denmark than in their own country,” the owner said, explaining that many of his clients come from Norway, Sweden, Holland and Germany.

        ON 1st of September, 2012, Danish activists demonstrated
        against animal brothels in their country




        Demonstration Copenhagen 1.09.2012: In Denmark, sex with animals is legal in contrast to several other countries in Europe. It aroused anger among activists that made a demonstration to make the parliament make a law so Zoophilia can be punished by law. Here some of them are on their way to gather with other protesters, meeting in front of Christiansborg Palace Square where the Danish Parliament is.

        For more picture of this demonstration, please visit the website of Legal Actions for Animal Rights.




        1. Brothels where human prostitutes engage in intercourse with customers are different in that (unless there is mafia coercion, which is a factor at times) the human prostitutes consent to it and in return for their "services" are "rewarded" financially.

        2. With animals there is no way of knowing if they give consent or wish to have humans carry out sexual acts on them. It is in essence animal rape.

        3. Why such concern over how Jews and Muslims slaughter animals but facilitating white European Danes in fulfilling perverted sexual desires of animal rape?



        Ironically I was telling someone recently how annoyed I was at seeing people make offensive comments about Danes and Denmark over whale culling and asked him if Danes really do consider Faroe Islanders (the place where the pictures of the dead whales came from and under Danish control) Danes, to which he confirmed my ideas and said no, Danes don't really consider them Danish.

        Now the Danes go and ban halal meat.





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        • #5
          They only banned this so that muslims will go away. They do everything to make it difficult for muslims and make theire country un-atractive so that the muslim immigrants will emmigrate.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by Khostai View Post
            They only banned this so that muslims will go away. They do everything to make it difficult for muslims and make theire country un-atractive so that the muslim immigrants will emmigrate.
            What makes you say that? You might be right but they also banned Jewish slaughter.
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            • #7
              Originally posted by tor_khan View Post
              Has your outlook on life been warped by Disney? We hide behind the facade of bring civilised because we get our food plastic wrapped from a supermarket, never mind the environmental damage caused by having every food available, irrespective of season, 365 days a year.

              In the real world, it isn't so pretty. Food is seasonal, hunting or culling raised animals is not always watchable. Even your Discovery Channel gives you a sanitised view of a lion hunt whereas most of us can figure that necks and arteries are punctured. No animal rights there. Nature doesn't give most predators a vegetarian option.

              Whether Denmark decides to ban ritual slaughter or not, it doesn't take away from the very strong opinions held by many that animals crammed into crates and pens waiting for slaughter must feel some kind of stress. Abattoirs are places where animals are lined up to be killed so that humans can go on pretending that we haven't made them suffer.

              Zabihah/Halal meat has certain conditions, many of which challenge the stress and inhumanity imposed by modern food production.
              Your sentimental view of animal rights is, well, sentimental.

              You're not so much bothered by the suffering of those animals, you're bothered with the discomfort that it causes you, when you think about what those animals go through in order to feed us... So, behind all self-pity induced sentimentality, there is a selfish desire to live in illusions, because reality is too real.

              That is the non-Disney view, unlike your Disney and sentimental view of animal rights.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by IvNoName View Post
                Your sentimental view of animal rights is, well, sentimental.

                You're not so much bothered by the suffering of those animals, you're bothered with the discomfort that it causes you, when you think about what those animals go through in order to feed us... So, behind all self-pity induced sentimentality, there is a selfish desire to live in illusions, because reality is too real.

                That is the non-Disney view, unlike your Disney and sentimental view of animal rights.

                There's a pecking order in this thing called survival. Humans are at the top of it. That is my sentiment. The rest of what you said made no sense to me.

                Animal rights? I have no issue with wearing animal skin/fur, making them pull the ploughs in fields or using them as food sources. I dislike it when people use animals as substitute children and then talk about halal meat/animal rights. Who are they kidding?

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by tor_khan View Post
                  There's a pecking order in this thing called survival. Humans are at the top of it. That is my sentiment. The rest of what you said made no sense to me.

                  Animal rights? I have no issue with wearing animal skin/fur, making them pull the ploughs in fields or using them as food sources. I dislike it when people use animals as substitute children and then talk about halal meat/animal rights. Who are they kidding?
                  So, are you asking me why humans lack compassion?

                  Or are you saying why there is no compassion in nature?

                  How would I know? lol

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                  • #10
                    Slaughtering animals by knives and torturing them on the name of religion as well as abusing animals for pleasure and sex , all are to be condemned by all humane humans.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Bengal_Tiger View Post
                      What makes you say that? You might be right but they also banned Jewish slaughter.
                      There are almost no jews in Denmark, and the ones who call themselfs jew don't care and are the same as the mainstream Danish population, they are not that religious, the only ones who will have trouble with will be the muslims and no one else.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by tor_khan View Post
                        There's a pecking order in this thing called survival. Humans are at the top of it. That is my sentiment. The rest of what you said made no sense to me.

                        Animal rights? I have no issue with wearing animal skin/fur, making them pull the ploughs in fields or using them as food sources. I dislike it when people use animals as substitute children and then talk about halal meat/animal rights. Who are they kidding?
                        I admit, I have a major problem with treatment of animals by humans. From industrialized farming to fur trade and even pet trade. I find it very depressing when a beautiful animal is killed so someone can wear its fur as a fashion statement or status statement.

                        So, your post touched a nerve, because I do care about animals and while I have no problem with cruelty against humans, cruelty against animals is intolerable to me.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Badlun View Post
                          Slaughtering animals by knives and torturing them on the name of religion as well as abusing animals for pleasure and sex , all are to be condemned by all humane humans.
                          before you go to any conclusion you should do some research. what do you think about the animal right activists? they believe what they see.


                          The scientific facts:

                          A team at the university of Hannover in Germany examined these claims through the use of EEG and ECG records during slaughter. Several electrodes were surgically implanted at various points of the skull of all the animals used in the experiment and they were then allowed to recover for several weeks. Some of the animals were subsequently slaughtered the halal way by making a swift, deep incision with a sharp knife on the neck, cutting the jugular veins and carotid arteries of both sides together with the trachea and esophagus but leaving the spinal cord intact. The remainder were stunned before slaughter using a captive bolt pistol method as is customary in Western slaughterhouses. The EEG and ECG recordings allowed to monitor the condition of the brain and heart throughout.

                          The Halal method

                          With the halal method of slaughter, there was not change in the EEG graph for the first three seconds after the incision was made, indicating that the animal did not feel any pain from the cut itself. This is not surprising. Often, if we cut ourselves with a sharp implement, we do not notice until some time later. The following three seconds were characterized by a condition of deep sleep-like unconsciousness brought about by the draining of large quantities of blood from the body. Thereafter the EEG recorded a zero reading, indicating no pain at all, yet at that time the heart was still beating and the body convulsing vigorously as a reflex reaction of the spinal cord. It is this phase which is most unpleasant to onlookers who are falsely convinced that the animal suffers whilst its brain does actually no longer record any sensual messages.


                          The Western method

                          Using the Western method, the animals were apparently unconscious after stunning, and this method of dispatch would appear to be much more peaceful for the onlooker. However, the EEG readings indicated severe pain immediately after stunning. Whereas in the first example, the animal seizes to feel pain due to the brain starvation of blood and oxygen – a brain death, to put it in laymen’s terms – the second example first causes a stoppage of the heart whilst the animal still feels pain. However, there are no unsightly convulsions, which not only means that there is more blood retention in the meat, but also that this method lends itself much more conveniently to the efficiency demands of modern mass slaughter procedures. It is so much easier to dispatch an animal on the conveyor belt, if it does not move.

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                          • #14
                            Few of us go hunting, so quite frankly apart from electrocution, suffocation, shooting or using 'knives', how else can animals be killed for consumption? None of them are particularly pleasant to an avowed vegetarian.

                            But which is most 'humane'? Lethal injection?

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by IvNoName View Post
                              I admit, I have a major problem with treatment of animals by humans. From industrialized farming to fur trade and even pet trade. I find it very depressing when a beautiful animal is killed so someone can wear its fur as a fashion statement or status statement.

                              So, your post touched a nerve, because I do care about animals and while I have no problem with cruelty against humans, cruelty against animals is intolerable to me.
                              Maybe some psychologists would consider such a public statement as verging on the edge of sadism.

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