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Originally posted by Badlun View PostWhat is good and what is bad? It is a philosophical or religious discussion. My criterion is consequences of something make it good or bad. For example you drink one glass of wine after each lunch, it has no bad consequences so drinking wine(one glass) is not bad. If you continuously drink 100 glasses of pure drinking water, it may kill you and thus drinking 100 glasses of water is something bad.
This is your problem in the relationship you have with Allah, you think he owes you a logical justification for setting out rules for the life he has given you. Allah is all powerful - he does not need to provide reasons for giving out commandments, if drinking a glass of wine does not give you any bad consequence but Allah says 'do not drink wine' then that is the end of it whether you like it or not and whether it makes sense to you or not, Islam is not based on human logic. what arrogance is it to think you have the authority to haggle with god, as if you have the right to agree/disagree with what god commands you to do prior to abiding. Its a simple concept, there is no challenge in what Allah has commanded you to do even you disagree.
Consequence of Music and other gatherings? most likely a glorified perception of prison and desire to smoke weed, f*k hoes, get a gun and scream thug life - in your eyes that's regarded as 'social get to gather' right? that is the tip of the ice-burg don't get me started on the rock'n'roll/pop music consequences and promotion of underage sex, drugs, disrespect for parents etc that all these 'arts' are BASED on... you call this 'creativity' or 'socialization' when infact the real word is anarchy.Originally posted by Badlun View PostWhat are the consequences of music and other gatherings? Entertainment, creativity, art, social get to gather, socialization etc
Completely false. The consequence of this Ijtima in Bangladesh is the complete opposite of what i mentioned earlier; staying away from drugs, staying away from evil, to be good to parents, to pray, to be honest, to be a good peaceful person, to respect your elders and have patience with youngers, to study Islam, to have have manners etc the list goes on. Ovcourse they will promote beards and covering heads with caps/turbans which is sunnah of the prophet and ideally desirable, its a good thing.. it doesn't take a genius to work out the 'consequences' of a religious event.Originally posted by Badlun View PostWhat are the consequences of Tableeghi gatherings? Promotion of fatalism, hate for this world, inertia, growing beards and covering heads with caps and turbans, further isolating women from social fabric, indirectly preparing suicide bombers by creating highly zealots and religious bigots.
Tableeghi Jumaat is an off-shoot of Deoband and all the evils of Deoband like Taliban are attached with Tableeghis.
Badlun, you give out false accusations. Just like all other Islamic events, this ijtima was out in the open so WHERE IS YOUR EVIDENCE for accusing Muslims of promoting fatalism, bombs, violence, degrading of women?? 3 million people wer there - shall we believe them or should we believe an online deceiver and liar like yourself? Muslims do not have anything to hide, there is no secret meetings or private talks - all conferences are out in the open, you say these 3 million Tableeghis sat and discussed the isolation of women, indirectly prepared suicide bombers and creating religious bigots. Now that is a BIG statement.. go on prove it, i dare you.Last edited by Manzareh; 02-05-2014, 10:39 AM.----------
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Originally posted by Karachilike I said, there was only one reason I pretended to be pathan, for a girl, who was from Afghan forums and also registered here
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RTR should reply where Islam is based on human logic or not. However I agree that the religion of Islam(faith and spirituality) cannot be based on logic as heart has a reason which reason cannot understand. But issues related to health(excess of every thing is bad but one glass of wine is not bad), education, economy, philosophy etc should eb based on logic. Who likes illogical things?
I do not ask any question regarding religious and spiritual elements of the injunctions of God but matters related to food, culture, dress, law, science etc can be reinterpreted after 1400 years. If Quran says that sun rises and sets, can I reinterpret it in the scientific evidence or have to blindly believe in it where I know that sun never sets or rises.
If the gathering is of 3 millions or 100 millions, it makes no difference. Just see the consequences of the Tableeghi movement. It has destroyed the local cultures and creativity. In Tableegh dominated areas of Pashtunland, Pashtun culture, art, literature, poetry, music, dance , all are wiped out. Ask any Pahstun from Swat or Buner. There life is dull, no colors, even marriages are like death ceremonies.
Tableeghis are the most dangerous religious group who by ,slow poisoning, are promoting cultural Islamism and creating millions of religiously drugged bigots. We have to chalk out strategies of awareness campaign against these silent killers.
Pakistani presidents and prime ministers also used to participate in Tableeghi gatherings of Raiwand but now they are avoiding it because they know that Tableeghis are the indirect cause of terrorism.The former interior minister of Pakistan Mr Rehman Malik has issued many statements in this regard.
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How do you know 1 glass of wine isn't bad? It like saying a bit of poison isn't bad, only a allot of poison is bad...Originally posted by Badlun View PostRTR should reply where Islam is based on human logic or not. However I agree that the religion of Islam(faith and spirituality) cannot be based on logic as heart has a reason which reason cannot understand. But issues related to health(excess of every thing is bad but one glass of wine is not bad), education, economy, philosophy etc should eb based on logic. Who likes illogical things?
I do not ask any question regarding religious and spiritual elements of the injunctions of God but matters related to food, culture, dress, law, science etc can be reinterpreted after 1400 years. If Quran says that sun rises and sets, can I reinterpret it in the scientific evidence or have to blindly believe in it where I know that sun never sets or rises.
If the gathering is of 3 millions or 100 millions, it makes no difference. Just see the consequences of the Tableeghi movement. It has destroyed the local cultures and creativity. In Tableegh dominated areas of Pashtunland, Pashtun culture, art, literature, poetry, music, dance , all are wiped out. Ask any Pahstun from Swat or Buner. There life is dull, no colors, even marriages are like death ceremonies.
Tableeghis are the most dangerous religious group who by ,slow poisoning, are promoting cultural Islamism and creating millions of religiously drugged bigots. We have to chalk out strategies of awareness campaign against these silent killers.
Pakistani presidents and prime ministers also used to participate in Tableeghi gatherings of Raiwand but now they are avoiding it because they know that Tableeghis are the indirect cause of terrorism.The former interior minister of Pakistan Mr Rehman Malik has issued many statements in this regard.
When a thing is bad, it doesn't matter how much you intake, because it will still be bad. The only difference will be, that the effect will be less, because you took smaller amount. Like smoking is bad for health, even if you take 1 at day.
How in the world can matter of food, culture, dress, law can be reinterpreted? I really don't understand...
You have to explain this more precisely, because I don't see the logic behind it.Don't quote me or speak to me if you hate Afghanistan, you be ignored.
People with identity crisis will be ignored as well.
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Jamaat tableegh is not as molothic as people claim. There are people of all sorts of political orientations. Including jamaatis, ikhwanis, salafis, salafi jihadis etc.Originally posted by FirdousiNever talk with Afghans about politics. All their political knowledge is limited to conspiracy theories, political demonization and contradictions. No logic, no reason.
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badlun praises israelis in one thread and bashes tableegis in this one. he might as well say that the quran is an indirect cause of terrorism since a bunch of light weights like these guys gathering and living a "dull" life to him is also an indirect cause of terrorism.
if i saw badlun in person, i can personally say that i would punch him in the jaw.There are people today who think that admitting God’s absolute greatness decreases the value and importance of humans in the creation, as if God and mankind are rivals competing in greatness and power. Meanwhile I feel that whenever our perception of God’s greatness increases, with it we become greater, because we are the creation of a great God.
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--Originally posted by Badlun View PostRTR should reply where Islam is based on human logic or not. However I agree that the religion of Islam(faith and spirituality) cannot be based on logic as heart has a reason which reason cannot understand. But issues related to health(excess of every thing is bad but one glass of wine is not bad), education, economy, philosophy etc should eb based on logic. Who likes illogical things?
RTR or whoever no muslim is going to say Islam is based on human logic, it's based on Allahs commandments, goes without saying, now you show me anywhere were Allah has given us free will to cut, chop and paste Islam into sections..? If not then you can't wake up one morning and just decide you want to divide Islam into chunks - it's almost like you have taken bits out you don't like because they interfere with your habbit of commit certain sins., well that's not a good enough excuse..you say something like "who likes illogical things" are you for real? This actually says a lot about you, it reveals your whole character and perception of Islam - somehow you have the perception that in Islam we should be able to do anything we like and abandoned things we don't like. Is that the simplicity if your faith? I find that quite shocking for someone that brags about reading major Islamic books - either you are stupid or you are just really really bad at acting stupid, my guess is the latter
I do not ask any question regarding religious and spiritual elements of the injunctions of God but matters related to food, culture, dress, law, science etc can be reinterpreted after 1400 years. If Quran says that sun rises and sets, can I reinterpret it in the scientific evidence or have to blindly believe in it where I know that sun never sets or rises.
Reinterpret? Is that just another word for disregard? Because we have interpretations which are clear enough. You claim to be a Muslim but openly disregard parts of what is required clearly such as food, culture, dress, law, science, sex, behaviour, worship, raising children, morals and a hundred other things you've mentioned before then tell me what is left of your Muslimness?? I'll tell you what's left of you my friend, the only thing left of your Islam is believing in Allah, but to you a god that you don't respect nor fear, if you ever pray you must be confused to bow your head down to the creator because at the same time you view him as your equal, someone that needs to go through your likes and dislikes list and come to a mutual contract on what part of Islam you feel like participating in..such hollow prayers you must be having, such an empty soul,, maybe not..but Allah knows best.
If the gathering is of 3 millions or 100 millions, it makes no difference. Just see the consequences of the Tableeghi movement. It has destroyed the local cultures and creativity. In Tableegh dominated areas of Pashtunland, Pashtun culture, art, literature, poetry, music, dance , all are wiped out. Ask any Pahstun from Swat or Buner. There life is dull, no colors, even marriages are like death ceremonies.
I already told you, your consequences are made up BS, you claim that these 3 million people have been discussing violence, encouraging suicide, teaching disregard for women, corrupting society but its a figment of your imagination because you cannot prove it, you are blatantly driving a stereo type, you are trying to be sneaky but your tactics are plain to see, you are pulling labels out of thin air out of desperation..I think your just about finished arnt you. Out of millions in attendance somewhere somehow there must be someone exposing a speech that happened there that was driving terrorism, don't hold your breath finding it though because it doesn't exist. 'Man you come streight outta comic book'
Tableeghis are the most dangerous religious group who by ,slow poisoning, are promoting cultural Islamism and creating millions of religiously drugged bigots. We have to chalk out strategies of awareness campaign against these silent killers.
More unreferenced made up BS
Pakistani presidents and prime ministers also used to participate in Tableeghi gatherings of Raiwand but now they are avoiding it because they know that Tableeghis are the indirect cause of terrorism.The former interior minister of Pakistan Mr Rehman Malik has issued many statements in this regard.
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You may know the process of preparing vaccines. There the antigens are used. Bacteria is also useful. Small amount of alcohol is used in almost all medicines. Some poisons are antidotes. Excess of every thing even of water is bad. Please read the followingOriginally posted by DSM0305 View PostHow do you know 1 glass of wine isn't bad? It like saying a bit of poison isn't bad, only a allot of poison is bad...
When a thing is bad, it doesn't matter how much you intake, because it will still be bad. The only difference will be, that the effect will be less, because you took smaller amount. Like smoking is bad for health, even if you take 1 at day.
How in the world can matter of food, culture, dress, law can be reinterpreted? I really don't understand...
You have to explain this more precisely, because I don't see the logic behind it.
Choose whichever alcoholic beverage you enjoy, drink it in moderation and try to have it with meals, advise Lichtenstein and Eric Rimm, DrS, a Harvard researcher.
Arthur Agatston, MD, cardiologist and creator of the popular South Beach diet, encourages patients who enjoy alcohol to also drink it with meals.
"Alcohol can stimulate the appetite so it is better to drink it with food. When alcohol is mixed with food, it can slow the stomach's emptying time and potentially decrease the amount of food consumed at the meal," asserts Agatston. His alcohol of choice is red wine due to the antioxidant resveratrol. However, he agrees that any alcohol in limited quantity will provide the same health benefit.
Alcohol also can have a very powerful effect and increase HDL "good" cholesterol by 20% if used moderately and in the context of a healthy diet along with regular physical activity, says Rimm. Higher HDL levels are linked to lower risks of heart disease.
"The research evidence points to ethanol, or the alcohol component, of beer, wine, or spirits as the substrate that can help lower cholesterol levels, increase 'good' HDL cholesterol," he says.
A recent study shows a boost in brain power for women who enjoy a little alcohol.
In Quran we have injunctions about dress, food, social matters, science etc which were revealed 1400 years ago. Now many things changed with passage of time. We cannot remain stuck to those 1400 years back injunctions literally but have to reinterpret them according to the modern developments. The injunctions applicable 1400 years back cannot be applied today. Its very simple to understand if we are not dogmatic and bigots.
For example Quran says that only God knows the gender of a child. All of us know that now a days it is very easy to know the sex of a child before its birth. What you will do with this verse. You have to reinterpret otherwise Quran can be called a false book. Yes parts related to religious and moral subjects like prayers, beliefs, not killing others etc cannot be changed as these injunctions are for all the times.
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You found 1 article and you choose to randomly believe it... I can find literally anything that suggest that something in particular either is bad or good, but in the real world it called pseudoscience. None of them is even a bit reliable, the same goes for your article.Originally posted by Badlun View PostYou may know the process of preparing vaccines. There the antigens are used. Bacteria is also useful. Small amount of alcohol is used in almost all medicines. Some poisons are antidotes. Excess of every thing even of water is bad. Please read the following
Choose whichever alcoholic beverage you enjoy, drink it in moderation and try to have it with meals, advise Lichtenstein and Eric Rimm, DrS, a Harvard researcher.
Arthur Agatston, MD, cardiologist and creator of the popular South Beach diet, encourages patients who enjoy alcohol to also drink it with meals.
"Alcohol can stimulate the appetite so it is better to drink it with food. When alcohol is mixed with food, it can slow the stomach's emptying time and potentially decrease the amount of food consumed at the meal," asserts Agatston. His alcohol of choice is red wine due to the antioxidant resveratrol. However, he agrees that any alcohol in limited quantity will provide the same health benefit.
Alcohol also can have a very powerful effect and increase HDL "good" cholesterol by 20% if used moderately and in the context of a healthy diet along with regular physical activity, says Rimm. Higher HDL levels are linked to lower risks of heart disease.
"The research evidence points to ethanol, or the alcohol component, of beer, wine, or spirits as the substrate that can help lower cholesterol levels, increase 'good' HDL cholesterol," he says.
A recent study shows a boost in brain power for women who enjoy a little alcohol.
http://www.webmd.com/food-recipes/fe...s-good-for-you
In Quran we have injunctions about dress, food, social matters, science etc which were revealed 1400 years ago. Now many things changed with passage of time. We cannot remain stuck to those 1400 years back injunctions literally but have to reinterpret them according to the modern developments. The injunctions applicable 1400 years back cannot be applied today. Its very simple to understand if we are not dogmatic and bigots.
For example Quran says that only God knows the gender of a child. All of us know that now a days it is very easy to know the sex of a child before its birth. What you will do with this verse. You have to reinterpret otherwise Quran can be called a false book. Yes parts related to religious and moral subjects like prayers, beliefs, not killing others etc cannot be changed as these injunctions are for all the times.
There is a fine line between using alcohol for medical or scientifically matter, and consumption. There is a tons of books in medicine that explains how dangerous alcohol is when consumed. And we are talking about real medical books, and not some second rate pseudoscience.
Moral doesn't change even if there goes a million years. In Islam it says to dress moderate. It doesn't matter what century someone lives in, dressing moderate will still be preferable.
The only reason you wanna change the dress, is because westerns do it. If westerners for some reason decides they gonna go butt naked, you probably suggest we do the same. You need to understand when it comes to dress and cloth, time have no part in it. You hide under the pretext of time, but in reality you just want to be like the West.
The same principle goes for food and social matters. These things have no expiring date.
In Japan for example it is forbidden to talk in mobile in the train. People should have in general bigger concerns about the social surroundings, which is the exact opposite of what is believed in the west. People in the west are more concerning about ''individuality'', and they really don't care about social surroundings.
If somebody for example is annoying in Japan, people will probably ignore him and not make a big fuss out of it. In USA people will probably go directly at your face, and make a big conflict out of it(often resorting to violent).
Now my point is, social, food, dress etc. have no expiring date. People all over the world have different values. It has nothing to do with time or ''modernism''. You in the other hand, have a bad habit of turning everything into modern and non-modern. Where for some reason you equal west for modernism... I gave you Japan as an example, because they're extremely modern and very futuristic in technology, yet they have complete opposite values.
Muslims can be the same. They should keep their values and still be prospective in terms of science, education etc.
What you do is copying the west, because for some reason you find them superior. You thing whatever they do, it is right...
There is a famous saying where I live: You do not get ahead by walking in the footsteps of others
Does this sound familiar to what you do, be honest. My point is western lifestyle doesn't equal better nor does it equal modern life. West equals...western people/culture... You don't have to be westernize to prosper or get rich etc. A culture or people in general can have their own values and still achieve prosperity and peace.Don't quote me or speak to me if you hate Afghanistan, you be ignored.
People with identity crisis will be ignored as well.
''When you cant make them see the light, make them feel the heat''
Ronald Reagan
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Originally posted by Badlun View PostYou may know the process of preparing vaccines. There the antigens are used. Bacteria is also useful. Small amount of alcohol is used in almost all medicines. Some poisons are antidotes. Excess of every thing even of water is bad. Please read the following
Choose whichever alcoholic beverage you enjoy, drink it in moderation and try to have it with meals, advise Lichtenstein and Eric Rimm, DrS, a Harvard researcher.
Arthur Agatston, MD, cardiologist and creator of the popular South Beach diet, encourages patients who enjoy alcohol to also drink it with meals.
"Alcohol can stimulate the appetite so it is better to drink it with food. When alcohol is mixed with food, it can slow the stomach's emptying time and potentially decrease the amount of food consumed at the meal," asserts Agatston. His alcohol of choice is red wine due to the antioxidant resveratrol. However, he agrees that any alcohol in limited quantity will provide the same health benefit.
Alcohol also can have a very powerful effect and increase HDL "good" cholesterol by 20% if used moderately and in the context of a healthy diet along with regular physical activity, says Rimm. Higher HDL levels are linked to lower risks of heart disease.
"The research evidence points to ethanol, or the alcohol component, of beer, wine, or spirits as the substrate that can help lower cholesterol levels, increase 'good' HDL cholesterol," he says.
A recent study shows a boost in brain power for women who enjoy a little alcohol.
In Quran we have injunctions about dress, food, social matters, science etc which were revealed 1400 years ago. Now many things changed with passage of time. We cannot remain stuck to those 1400 years back injunctions literally but have to reinterpret them according to the modern developments. The injunctions applicable 1400 years back cannot be applied today. Its very simple to understand if we are not dogmatic and bigots.
For example Quran says that only God knows the gender of a child. All of us know that now a days it is very easy to know the sex of a child before its birth. What you will do with this verse. You have to reinterpret otherwise Quran can be called a false book. Yes parts related to religious and moral subjects like prayers, beliefs, not killing others etc cannot be changed as these injunctions are for all the times.
From a religious perspective drinking alcohol is forbidden, its explicitly mentioned in the Quran "do not drink alcohol do not gamble" whether you like doing it, see any benefit or even have a recommendation from your doctor it makes no difference. it is how it is - either you listen or not its upto you. there is nothing more to it.
Now then, in terms of whether its harmful or not here is just one example, see some statistics of the UK, you talk about reinterpreting it because 1400 years ago when Islam prohibited, now it is outdated in modern society..right? well take a look at the following, the only conclusion to be made is that the Islamic ruling to ban it makes as much sense now as ever.
- More than a million crimes and 1.2 million hospital admissions were linked to alcohol last year.
- Overall, alcohol-related harm is estimated to cost society £21billion annually
- Alcohol is one of the three biggest lifestyle risk factors for disease and death in the United Kingdom after smoking and obesity.
- Alcohol use is associated with 70 % of all
- stabbing and beatings
- Alcohol is a factor in 40% of all recorded
- domestic violence incidents
- In the year 2000 ALL violence related to all drugs added up to 22%, whereas violence related to alcohol was an incredible 57%
I have relevant references for these points if you require, the statistics speak for itself. You also see secularist/atheists as your role models so i recommend you look into quotes of american politicians regarding the Volstead Act.
You mentioned that humans are able to check the gender of a baby inside the womb, true but only after the embryo goes through certain developments - allah knows the gender even while the fetus is in the initial stages. You have read numerous Islamic books, studied the Quran and have learnt Arabic yet your knowledge of basic Islamic concepts are so primitive, like i said either you are lying or you are just acting stupid to deceive people.Last edited by Manzareh; 02-06-2014, 03:35 PM.----------
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Despite the fact that 3 million (in reality maybe 5-6 million) Muslims gathered to pray and talk about Islam in Dhaka, Bangladesh, Al-Qaeda have now threatened Bangladesh.
Bangladesh has long been targeted by the heavily Pakistano-philic global "Islamist" network for being "secular", though in reality Bangladesh is far more conservative and Islamic than most other Muslim countries e.g. Quranic based inheritance laws, under 100,000 madrassas, 1/4 million mosques etc.
Al-Qaeda = USA, everyone knows that.
Bring it on Americans, bring it on! We are ready.
High-level American terrorist, thug and "ambassador" to Bangladesh, Mozena. Mozena's regime through its proxy Al-Qaeda is now threatening the government of Bangladesh.


Bring it on Americans, Bring it on!
We defeated you in 1971 and we will defeat you again.
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Al-Qaeda chief's 'intifada' call in Bangladesh
News Desk, bdnews24.com
Published: 2014-02-15 12:09:17.0 BdST Updated: 2014-02-15 16:06:34.0 BdST
A video-message said to be from Al-Qaeda’s current chief Dr Ayman Al-Zawahiri is circulating on the Internet, calling on Muslims in Bangladesh to resist the evil plans of the ‘leading criminals in the subcontinent and the West against Islam.’
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bdnews24.com has a copy of the video-message.
The entire message with video footage laid on Al-Zawahiri's audio lasts nearly 29 minutes and is titled "Bangladesh: Massacre Behind a Wall of Silence".
The first two minutes screen footage of last year's May 5 police action at a Hifazat-e Islam rally in Dhaka. Then starts Al-Zawahiri's message hitting at the Western media's alleged silence on 'how Muslims are massacred in Bangladesh'.
“My Muslim brothers in Bangladesh, I invite you to confront this crusader onslaught against Islam, which is being orchestrated by the leading criminals in the subcontinent and the West against Islam, the prophet of Islam and the Islamic creed, so that they may turn you into slaves of a despotic and disbelieving system.”
Describing Bangladesh as a ‘huge prison’, the message says the honour and dignity of Muslims is at stake in the country.
“Bangladesh is the victim of a conspiracy in which the agents of India, the corrupt leadership of Pakistan Army and treacherous power-hungry politicians of Bangladesh and Pakistan are all involved,” the message says.
Al-Zawahiri, who is said to have clandestinely visited Bangladesh many times earlier in the decade, called on Bangladeshis “to gather around the true scholars of Islam, support them and protect them.”
“I invite you to back them and support them and guard them. And I invite you to launch a massive public uprising in defence of Islam against the enemies of Islam,” the Al Qaeda chief says.
“I invite the leading scholars [Ulamaye keram] of Bangladesh to fulfil the role that Islam has given them.”
He says Bangladesh has not worked as a nation which was created more than 40 years ago ‘to protect the independence, glory, honour and freedom of its people.’
The Al-Qaeda chief’s tirade appears to have been provoked by the war crimes trials, in which most senior leaders of the country’s leading Islamist party, Jamaat-e-Islami, are implicated.
One of them, Abdul Quader Molla, has already been hanged. Several others face death and life sentences.
In addition, many Jamaat leaders and activists are in jail on charges of involvement with violence last year.
The Jamaat and other Islamist groups in Bangladesh and elsewhere have also called for 'uprisings' against the present government and attacked it for upholding secularism.
Zawahiri was at his attacking best on the question of democracy.
"If this system [democracy], man-made constitution brings in a government that can please the Western world, the West encourages and supports it .. if it brings a government that even slightly opposes the West or the enemies of Islam, then the tanks, artillery, bombs and bullets of the slaves of the West lie in wait for such government, " he said in the video message.
"And Egypt is only a fresh example of this, besides Algeria in the 90s."
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American torture centre in Iraq, Abu Ghraib. America commited torture, rape and the micro-nuking of Iraq, America is now attempting to threaten Bangladesh.
* AMERICA IS PLAYING WITH FIRE. BANGLADESH IS NOT SYRIA, PAKISTAN OR AFGHANISTAN. AMERICA WILL PAY SEVERELY FOR THREATENING BANGLADESH WITH TERRORISM.
THE TURKS ATTACKED OUR EMBASSY, THEN THE LIRA STARTED CRASHING AND THE ERDOGAN REGIME IS HEADING FOR EVENTUAL COLLAPSE, AND TURKEY IS HEADING FOR AN ECONOMIC CRISIS.
THE AMERICANS ARE GOING TO SEE THE PRICE FOR THREATENING BANGLADESH.
Alhamdulilahi rabbil 'aalameen, Allahumma sallee 'alaa Mustafa sadiqul ameen wa ashraful mursaleen, ya Rabbi ihfidh al Bengal min fitnatul Wahabiyeen wal Irhabiyeen wa 'Ibaadul America wa min fitnatul America, ya rabbi ihfidh al insaan jamee'an wal 'aalam kulluha min fitnatul Amreekiyeen.
wa sallee 'alaa sayyidina Muhammad wa 'alaa aalihi wa sahbihi wa ummatihi.
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Stay out of my threads. I do not read your Wahabi extremist nonsense and garbage and you regard many if not most forum members here as apostates who must be killed.
You are an Al-Qaeda supporting extremist who should be banned from this forum.* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
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I seriously suggest you should write a book like this about bBangladesh:Originally posted by Bengal_Tiger View PostStay out of my threads. I do not read your Wahabi extremist nonsense and garbage and you regard many if not most forum members here as apostates who must be killed.
You are an Al-Qaeda supporting extremist who should be banned from this forum.
Originally posted by FirdousiNever talk with Afghans about politics. All their political knowledge is limited to conspiracy theories, political demonization and contradictions. No logic, no reason.
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‘Jihadology’ hosted in US
Julfikar Ali Manik
The audio clip (having footages of still photos) was taken from 'alfidaa.info,' which is hosted in Kuala Lumpur

A screen shot of the website named 'Jihadology'
Photo- Dhaka Tribune
The website named “Jihadology” that posted an audio tape of al-Qaeda leader Ayman al-Zawahiri on Bangladesh is hosted at a domain located in the US.
An IT expert after a quick look at the technical information of the website said “Jihadology” had been created on August 16, 2010, but came into operation in September the same year.
According to the website, the audio clip (having footages of still photos) was taken from “alfidaa.info,” which is hosted in Kuala Lumpur.
The “Jihadology” website at the top of the page said the video message titled “Bangladesh: A Massacre behind a Wall of Silence” was presented by “As-Sahab Media.”
It was difficult to determine the official website of “As-Sahab Media.”
But according to another website named “Global Jihad,” the As-Sahab Foundation for Islamic Media Publication (The Clouds) is the media production house of the al-Qaeda. It distributes the organisation’s point of views for promoting the Global Jihad, encouraging young Muslims to identify themselves with the cause and glorifying the al-Qaeda.
It says the As-Sahab started in 2001 under Abdul Rehman al-Maghrebi, the son-in-law of Zawahiri, and with the involvement of Adam Yahiye Gadahn and Attiya Allah.
Since then, As-Sahab distributed through Arab TV networks including Aljazeera or Al-Arabia or local Pakistani TV stations the footages and audios of primarily Zawahiri, much less of Osama Bin Laden, and footages of successful attacks in Iraq, Afghanistan, Pakistan and all over the world.
The “Global Jihad” website is hosted in Germany.
- See more at: http://www.dhakatribune.com/foreign-....dL5aezhG.dpuf
- The fact is the so-called "War on Terror" (more accurately called "War of Terror) is bogus.
- Billions of dollars have been spent on invading Iraq and Afghanistan and massacring innocent men, women and children. The production of arms and its usage is important for the multi-billion dollar military-industrial complex.
If a regular IT expert in Bangladesh can find out in a few hours details about a "Jihadi" website, then so-called security agencies in the US can do far more, especially the NSA which records millions of conversations.
- For those indoctrinated by white Europeans and who parrot the line that anyone who disagrees with the mainstream official western media is a "conspiracy theorist", well the same types of morons (a few are on this forum but shall remain nameless) would have said a few years back that the idea of an American secret agency spying on millions of people is a "conspiracy theory", now it is openly acknowledged.
- If the Americans and the west really wanted to destroy the so-called "Jihadi" movement (which they created and run) they can do it with ease, e.g. locate all the websites which promote Jihadi material, ban them, contact the companies that host them, find out who runs them.
Russia and China both know that Al-Qaeda is an American-run organization and acts as the "Foreign Legion" of the US to attack countries like Russia (e.g. Chechnya, Volgograd) militarily.
America has made a big mistake by attempting to threaten Bangladesh through one of its terrorists organizations, "Al-Qaeda". There will be consequences.
Watch.
Wait
and ...see.

Terrorist: Depraved, immoral, inhuman and war criminal. Kissinger, a beast who has killed more people than other notorious monsters such as Caligula, Nero and others did.

Terrorist: A monster that supported the mass murder of Iraqi babies through sanctions, Madeline Albright.

Believe me, if anyone thinks I am joking.
Watch what happens in the next few weeks.
The American regime was already humiliated in front of the entire world a few months ago with its offices being closed, this regime is going to see far worse.



Bring it on Americans. Bring it on!
Bring it on bast**ds!

American soldier neutralized by Muslims in Somalia.
America defeated in Somalia.

Hundreds of US marines killed in Beirut by Lebanese bomber.
America defeated and expelled from Lebanon.

American-backed Pakistani soldiers defeated in Bangladesh in 1971.
America defeated in the bay of Bengal in 1971.
Americans we defeated you in 1971 and we are ready to defeat you again.
Bring it on bas*ards!* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
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