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    Islamic authorities in Malaysia have seized more than 300 Bibles from the Bible Society because they use the word Allah to refer to God, officials say.

    Bible Society officials told Reuters that two of their members were briefly detained following the seizure.

    A court ruled in October that non-Muslims could not use the word Allah to refer to God.

    The appeals court said the term Allah must be exclusive to Islam or it could cause public disorder.

    People of all faiths use the word Allah in Malay to refer to their gods.

    Christians argue they have used the word, which entered Malay from Arabic, to refer to their God for centuries and that the ruling violates their rights.

    The October court ruling overturned a 2009 ruling which said that a Catholic newspaper, The Herald, could use the word Allah in its Malay-language edition to describe the Christian God.

    The 2009 ruling sparked tensions, with churches and mosques attacked.

    Critics accuse the government of tacitly condoning Bible seizures as a way of deflecting anger against Prime Minister Najib Razak's government from poor Malay Muslims who are angry over subsidy cuts likely to force up electricity, petrol and sugar prices.

    'Nothing against the law'
    The Malay language Bibles were seized from the Malaysian Bible Society in the state of Selangor near the capital, Kuala Lumpur.

    Muslim demonstrators chant slogans outside Malaysia's Court of Appeal in Putrajaya, outside Kuala Lumpur 14 October 2013
    The October court case rekindled a long-running debate in Muslim-majority Malaysia about the use of the word Allah
    "We were told that we were under investigation for breaking a Selangor state law banning non-Muslims from using the word Allah," Bible Society of Malaysia Chairman Lee Min Choon told Reuters.

    The main political party within Mr Najib's ruling coalition, the United Malays National Organisation (UMNO), said its Selangor members would protest at all churches in the state on Sunday against the unauthorised use of the word Allah.

    "There are laws in Selangor and there was a decree by his Royal Highness the Sultan. So what they are doing is carrying out the Sultan's decree," Deputy Prime Minister and UMNO Deputy President Muhyiddin Yassin was quoted by media as saying.

    "They are not doing anything against the law."

    But in a statement the Council of Churches of Malaysia said it was "alarmed" by the raid and urged the government to "protect religious rights as provided under the Federal Constitution".

    The 2009 dispute began when the Home Ministry threatened to revoke the publishing permit of The Herald for using the word Allah.

    Malay Muslims make up almost two-thirds of the country's population, but there are large Hindu and Christian communities.

    Mr Najib's coalition won elections in May, but it was the coalition's worst result in more than half a century in power.

  • #2
    thanks for sharing.

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    • #3
      what a stupid law, what does this have to do with Islam? isn't it actually a good thing if Christians are calling God, Allah?

      Even Arab Christians use the word Allah

      Malaysia seems to be getting backwards everyday

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      • #4
        karachi they are misusing the name. it's like armies and their uniforms. you can't have two armies of different countries wear one kind of a uniform. they target people who don't know much about anything else, mention the name allah to them but teach them about christianity instead.
        we can say God is one all we want but when it comes to teaching, two different things are being taught. jesus can't be the son of allah.

        "To burn always with this hard gemlike flame, to maintain this ecstasy, is success in life."





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        • #5
          not that i am versed in linguistics but arab christians have a stronger case for using the title for their god than non arabic speaking malaysian christians. i don't know why these christian malaysians adopted an arabic and thereby muslim word for their religious figure. "thereby muslim" meaning that outside arab christian areas, "Allah" has no linguistic or religious connotation to christianity.
          There are people today who think that admitting God’s absolute greatness decreases the value and importance of humans in the creation, as if God and mankind are rivals competing in greatness and power. Meanwhile I feel that whenever our perception of God’s greatness increases, with it we become greater, because we are the creation of a great God.

          Sayyid Qutb

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          • #6
            Originally posted by randolph85 View Post
            not that i am versed in linguistics but arab christians have a stronger case for using the title for their god than non arabic speaking malaysian christians. i don't know why these christian malaysians adopted an arabic and thereby muslim word for their religious figure. "thereby muslim" meaning that outside arab christian areas, "Allah" has no linguistic or religious connotation to christianity.
            Christian missionaries deliberately use Arabic and Islamic terminology in Muslim countries to spread Christianity. Read their farsi and pashto literature and you will see.

            They try to make the transit easier for people from Islam to christianity.

            The same technique is used by Shiites who are converting Muslims into shiism.

            The Malay government is doing the right thing.
            Originally posted by Firdousi
            Never talk with Afghans about politics. All their political knowledge is limited to conspiracy theories, political demonization and contradictions. No logic, no reason.

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            • #7
              well the word Allah been used in their language for centuries, why they needed to ban it now?
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              • #8
                One Afghan woman from Holland converted to Christianity and then called Afghan Islamic tv show saying how come they call christians kaafirs. She said she is not a kaafira because she still believes in God.

                This person is obviously confused and probably never really entered the fold of Islam judging by how ignorant she is.

                But she is the type of person the Christian missionaries target in Muslim lands. They know how ignorant people are, and how easily they can be tricked into becoming christians.
                Originally posted by Firdousi
                Never talk with Afghans about politics. All their political knowledge is limited to conspiracy theories, political demonization and contradictions. No logic, no reason.

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                • #9
                  in the same way the muslims try to convert christians to islam
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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Hallo View Post
                    in the same way the muslims try to convert christians to islam
                    how do muslims use language to convert christians?
                    There are people today who think that admitting God’s absolute greatness decreases the value and importance of humans in the creation, as if God and mankind are rivals competing in greatness and power. Meanwhile I feel that whenever our perception of God’s greatness increases, with it we become greater, because we are the creation of a great God.

                    Sayyid Qutb

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                    • #11
                      There is really no holy connotation to the word Allah. It simply means God in Arabic. They have the right to say it, but if they are not speaking Arabic it obviously seems to be an agenda.


                      Scheming of this small nature can never hurt Islam. Muslims should not feel threatened in my opinion.

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                      • #12
                        ^ that is probably the only sensible thing you have ever said

                        Muslims seem to be threatened by a lot of useless things, instead of important things happening in their lands

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