Moscow banning building of new mosques

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America-lover you don't understood who Bengalis are.

We defeated the British, the Indians, the Pakistanis and Americans.

You are a low-life American-supporting, Wahabi-supporting cyber-bully who supports the Taliban from Holland using his keyboard.

At least the Taliban practise what they preach and even though I don't support them they are carrying out their beliefs.

You on the other hand do nothing but insult forum members on here and have been doing so for years and years, insulting, attacking members.

You abuse people and scare people away from posting on this forum.

You are a thug, a bully, a coward and hypocrite who supports the Taliban from Holland rather than go to Afghanistan and join them.

You have issues with most people on this forum and want everyone on this forum to be a Taliban-supporter like you.

Sorry idiot. It's not going to happen.

You are also a Jamaati supporter and we Bengalis defeated your Jamaati ass and your beloved Pakistan, America and Saudi Arabia in 1971.

You are a ****bag and I ask Allah to destroy you and your beloved Taliban.

Ameen, thumma Ameen.

wa sallee 'alaa khairul khalqi Muhammad ibn Abdullah wa 'alaa aalihi wa sahbihi wa ajma'een.

Ya Rabee Ihfiz al ummatul Islamiyaa min khubathaa mithlul "graveyardofAmerica" wa "Shamlawar Al-Khorasani" wa at-Taliban

Allahumma sallee 'aala sayyidina Muhammad.

Ameen thumma Ameen.

I know bangalis but you are bengali dog

here is bengali dog with his master Putin who saves the world

[Bengal_Tiger]

the russian occupieng and occupied alot of muslimland.kavkaz to tajikistan uzbakistan kyrkiz ..... forced their ruski language and ideology on them but these occpuied countrys still following islam and they want to stay muslim.the russian was safed by muslims from afghans when the afghans defeated the soviet empire and brought this russians their freedom democracy they should respect the muslims and not act like the fashistic usa and i support a independend chechenistan too.

1. These Muslim states now have their independence and I have started many threads highlighting progress in such countries such as Turkmenistan.

2. The Muslims in the Russian federation want to live in peace and do not want Wahabi terrorists and American fanatics like "Graveyard of America" to destabilize their region and destroy their lives.

They want full-rights within the context of the Russian federation and not war. War only causes suffering, bloodshed and pain.

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the russian occupieng and occupied alot of muslimland.kavkaz to tajikistan uzbakistan kyrkiz ..... forced their ruski language and ideology on them but these occpuied countrys still following islam and they want to stay muslim.the russian was safed by muslims from afghans when the afghans defeated the soviet empire and brought this russians their freedom democracy they should respect the muslims and not act like the fashistic usa and i support a independend chechenistan too.

LOl
you little wahabi america supporter

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1. These Muslim states now have their independence and I have started many threads highlighting progress in such countries such as Turkmenistan.

2. The Muslims in the Russian federation want to live in peace and do not want Wahabi terrorists and American fanatics like "Graveyard of America" to destabilize their region and destroy their lives.

They want full-rights within the context of the Russian federation and not war. War only causes suffering, bloodshed and pain.

Look at GraveyardofAmerica he is safe in Holland enjoying the benefits of western capitalism and a NATO-protected state. He likes peace and prosperity too otherwise this American-bas*ard would be with the Taliban he claims to love, fighting in Afghanistan.

Russian Muslims do not want American bast*rds such as graveyardofAmerica to destroy their lives.

your post has been reported.

you still need to see a good Doctor

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LOL
\this guy is such a clown

he posts a thread titled Moscow banning building of new mosques
than he goes around coomplimenting russia on how it treates muslims who's land it has occupied.

[Khilji]

1. These Muslim states now have their independence and I have started many threads highlighting progress in such countries such as Turkmenistan.

2. The Muslims in the Russian federation want to live in peace and do not want Wahabi terrorists and American fanatics like "Graveyard of America" to destabilize their region and destroy their lives.

They want full-rights within the context of the Russian federation and not war. War only causes suffering, bloodshed and pain.

Look at GraveyardofAmerica he is safe in Holland enjoying the benefits of western capitalism and a NATO-protected state. He likes peace and prosperity too otherwise this American-bas*ard would be with the Taliban he claims to love, fighting in Afghanistan.

Russian Muslims do not want American bast*rds such as graveyardofAmerica to destroy their lives.

these muslim countrys became their independence not because of russia because muslims destroyed the soviet empire and russia use still these ex occupied countrys and playing and forcing their interests in this countrys like usa is doing it in middle east south asia europ etc
than you can not talk for muslims ok if they want to stay with russia or not you can not know that,dont use this wahabi term like a iranian shia that insulting the sahaba and mother of believer. al wahab is still one of the name of Allah(swt).full rights means independence what is your problem now? you try to defend russian interests here? a bengali? how much rubel did they gave you? more than the british empire the americans?go away with your mental problem.

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[Khilji]

LOl
you little wahabi america supporter

is this how he acts `? with going around giving names like this to people that supports the independence of muslims?

[Bengal_Tiger]

these muslim countrys became their independence not because of russia because muslims destroyed the soviet empire and russia use still these ex occupied countrys and playing and forcing their interests in this countrys like usa is doing it in middle east south asia europ etc
than you can not talk for muslims ok if they want to stay with russia or not you can not know that,dont use this wahabi term like a iranian shia that insulting the sahaba and mother of believer. al wahab is still one of the name of Allah(swt).full rights means independence what is your problem now? you try to defend russian interests here? a bengali? how much rubel did they gave you? more than the british empire the americans?go away with your mental problem.

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Your post was insulting though I was not rude to you. However I am a polite person and will ignore that. After that I will cease speaking to you on this thread.

1. I know Russian Muslims from different regions including Tatarstan, Dagestan and Chechnya and other places.

I have spoken to them, eaten with them, had one stay at my house etc.

2. I also know the difference in mentality between these peoples e.g. the Tatars and Caucasians.

3. The Chechens have had enough of war. Ultimately the majority may want independence but they do not want it at the expense of more bloodshed and suffering. It is easy for outsiders who are not Chechens to advocate war for them. However Chechen mothers do not want to lose more sons.

If you want Chechen independence will you go and fight there and maybe lose your life?



Chechen refugees.

4. Non-Muslims in Muslim countries should stay as part of those countries and not separate or secede e.g. Christians in Egypt, Hindus in Pakistan and so on. Also Muslims that are part of non-Muslim states should strive to attain their civic rights within the states which they are part of.

A few years ago Christians in Pakistan spoke of forming their own province. If they one day tried to form their own state, would the Pakistanis accept it? The Pakistanis would fight and this would lead to war. Anyway Pakistani Christians are small in numbers and not able to create their own state and they are all in different places, this is just an hypothetical example.

Also northern Kazakhstan is majority Russian and ultra-Russian nationalists want it to be part of Russia. I do not support a majority Christian region seceding from Muslim Kazakhstan and nor do I support violent attempts to break away Russia. If it is done in a peaceful way, through campaigning, arguing etc then that is fine. Go to Tatarstan and ask people what they want. I know, because my friend is from Kazan!

5. Afghans played a major part in destroying the USSR, which was a tyrannical and secular system that oppressed Muslims. That however is the past.

6. Russia considers these ex-Soviet states as part of its sphere of influence and makes sure they do not follow anti-Russian policies and Russia also does this with Ukraine.

7. You insulted me and claimed that Russians gave me money. Then you also said the British and Americans gave me money.

We Bengalis defeated the British and were at the forefront of expelling them from south Asia, both Hindu Bengalis and Muslim Bengalis. Bengal was the most rebellious region of India as well as its former capital.

We also defeated the Americans in 1971 and to this day do not allow them a military base in our country whereas Turkey, Saudi, Afghanistan, Pakistan all have US bases.

If I was pro-Russian why am I highlighting this anti-Islamic act by the Mayor of Moscow? Just because I do not support Americans or Wahabis in Syria does not make me pro-Russian. I do not support Russia in Kosova but support Kosovar Muslims.

So no one gave me money and I will not insult you back and say anyone gave you money, because I am not here to insult people personally but to discuss subjects.



So feel free to insult me as much as you want saying I have mental problems and receive money. I will not insult you back but I care about my Muslim brothers in Russia and do not want foreigners to ruin their lives by inciting war.

8. Wahab is one of the asmaa of Allah ta'ala and so is Qadir. One of the first sects of Islam is said to be the "Qadiriya" or Qadiris that had controversial opinions on Qadar (divine decree) but no Islamic scholar said it was prohibited to use the name "Qadir" to describe this sect.

Wahabis use this trick to avoid being called Wahabi but not telling people there was a deviant sect called the Qadiris and Qadir is a name of Allah ta'ala.

They try to defend themselves using emotional blackmail.

Also Malik is a name of Allah ta'ala and there is a school of fiqh (jurispudence) called "Maliki", though that is not a negative term.

9. Nowhere did I insult the companions of the holy prophet solAllahu 'alaihi wa sallam or his wives. If you however wish to incite hatred and possibly violence against Shias who have different opinions so be it.

I am not going to encourage hatred of Shias or call for them to be killed but I will say they are wrong and they should be politely shown why there are wrong. Also amongst the Shia masses are many ordinary people who do not care much about religion, living their lives, trying to make money to feed themselves and are good people.

Now that I have addressed some of the points you raised and some of your insults, I am going to place you on IGNORE.

BYE.

[Khilji]

Your post was insulting though I was not rude to you. However I am a polite person and will ignore that. After that I will cease speaking to you on this thread.

1. I know Russian Muslims from different regions including Tatarstan, Dagestan and Chechnya and other places.

I have spoken to them, eaten with them, had one stay at my house etc.

2. I also know the difference in mentality between these peoples e.g. the Tatars and Caucasians.

3. The Chechens have had enough of war. Ultimately the majority may want independence but they do not want it at the expense of more bloodshed and suffering. It is easy for outsiders who are not Chechens to advocate war for them. However Chechen mothers do not want to lose more sons.

If you want Chechen independence will you go and fight there and maybe lose your life?



Chechen refugees.

4. Non-Muslims in Muslim countries should stay as part of those countries and not separate or secede e.g. Christians in Egypt, Hindus in Pakistan and so on. Also Muslims that are part of non-Muslim states should strive to attain their civic rights within the states which they are part of.

A few years ago Christians in Pakistan spoke of forming their own province. If they one day tried to form their own state, would the Pakistanis accept it? The Pakistanis would fight and this would lead to war. Anyway Pakistani Christians are small in numbers and not able to create their own state and they are all in different places, this is just an hypothetical example.

Also northern Kazakhstan is majority Russian and ultra-Russian nationalists want it to be part of Russia. I do not support a majority Christian region seceding from Muslim Kazakhstan and nor do I support violent attempts to break away Russia. If it is done in a peaceful way, through campaigning, arguing etc then that is fine. Go to Tatarstan and ask people what they want. I know, because my friend is from Kazan!

5. Afghans played a major part in destroying the USSR, which was a tyrannical and secular system that oppressed Muslims. That however is the past.

6. Russia considers these ex-Soviet states as part of its sphere of influence and makes sure they do not follow anti-Russian policies and Russia also does this with Ukraine.

7. You insulted me and claimed that Russians gave me money. Then you also said the British and Americans gave me money.

We Bengalis defeated the British and were at the forefront of expelling them from south Asia, both Hindu Bengalis and Muslim Bengalis. Bengal was the most rebellious region of India as well as its former capital.

We also defeated the Americans in 1971 and to this day do not allow them a military base in our country whereas Turkey, Saudi, Afghanistan, Pakistan all have US bases.

If I was pro-Russian why am I highlighting this anti-Islamic act by the Mayor of Moscow? Just because I do not support Americans or Wahabis in Syria does not make me pro-Russian. I do not support Russia in Kosova but support Kosovar Muslims.

So no one gave me money and I will not insult you back and say anyone gave you money, because I am not here to insult people personally but to discuss subjects.



So feel free to insult me as much as you want saying I have mental problems and receive money. I will not insult you back but I care about my Muslim brothers in Russia and do not want foreigners to ruin their lives by inciting war.

8. Wahab is one of the asmaa of Allah ta'ala and so is Qadir. One of the first sects of Islam is said to be the "Qadiriya" or Qadiris that had controversial opinions on Qadar (divine decree) but no Islamic scholar said it was prohibited to use the name "Qadir" to describe this sect.

Wahabis use this trick to avoid being called Wahabi but not telling people there was a deviant sect called the Qadiris and Qadir is a name of Allah ta'ala.

They try to defend themselves using emotional blackmail.

Also Malik is a name of Allah ta'ala and there is a school of fiqh (jurispudence) called "Maliki", though that is not a negative term.

9. Nowhere did I insult the companions of the holy prophet solAllahu 'alaihi wa sallam or his wives. If you however wish to incite hatred and possibly violence against Shias who have different opinions so be it.

I am not going to encourage hatred of Shias or call for them to be killed but I will say they are wrong and they should be politely shown why there are wrong. Also amongst the Shia masses are many ordinary people who do not care much about religion, living their lives, trying to make money to feed themselves and are good people.

Now that I have addressed some of the points you raised and some of your insults, I am going to place you on IGNORE.

BYE.

i even say wahabis dont exist how can i defend them? you are try to bring a none existent group to life and you even try to tell me something of their aqeeda.i dont believe in your self defence position that you ate with chechens and of course is every human diffrent from character.be carfull how you talk here as a bangali gast this is the house of pashtuns, here is no house of bangali interests and nationalism and i said independence you talking about war and the chechens want their independence since iman shamil.if you feel insulted is your own problem try to take it like a grown up person.because this is your polite mentality a sick bangali mentality :
America-lover you don't understood who Bengalis are.

We defeated the British, the Indians, the Pakistanis and Americans.

You are a low-life American-supporting, Wahabi-supporting cyber-bully who supports the Taliban from Holland using his keyboard.

At least the Taliban practise what they preach and even though I don't support them they are carrying out their beliefs.

You on the other hand do nothing but insult forum members on here and have been doing so for years and years, insulting, attacking members.

You abuse people and scare people away from posting on this forum.

You are a thug, a bully, a coward and hypocrite who supports the Taliban from Holland rather than go to Afghanistan and join them.

You have issues with most people on this forum and want everyone on this forum to be a Taliban-supporter like you.

Sorry idiot. It's not going to happen.

You are also a Jamaati supporter and we Bengalis defeated your Jamaati ass and your beloved Pakistan, America and Saudi Arabia in 1971.

You are a ****bag and I ask Allah to destroy you and your beloved Taliban.

Ameen, thumma Ameen.

wa sallee 'alaa khairul khalqi Muhammad ibn Abdullah wa 'alaa aalihi wa sahbihi wa ajma'een.

Ya Rabee Ihfiz al ummatul Islamiyaa min khubathaa mithlul "graveyardofAmerica" wa "Shamlawar Al-Khorasani" wa at-Taliban

Allahumma sallee 'aala sayyidina Muhammad.

Ameen thumma Ameen.

All praise be to Allah ta'ala and peace be up on his final messenger.

I support my Muslim brothers and sisters in Balochistan, oh Allah please give them freedom. Ameen.

what kind of sick person are you wishing bad against muslims and swearing against muslims?=

[Shamlawar Khurasani]

Bengali won't go to a menthal clinic, I suggest we open a thread, a mental clinic for him here on pf.

[Bengal_Tiger]

I have edited my comments against graveyard.

I made them out of anger.

I apologize to everyone including graveyard and I said things which I have not said.

In fact - by my standards - some of what I said was highly inappropriate and somewhat offensive and I should never have said anything like that at all.

Thank you all.

[Shamlawar Khurasani]

I have edited my comments against graveyard.

I made them out of anger.

I apologize to everyone including graveyard and I said things which I have not said.

In fact - by my standards - some of what I said was highly inappropriate and somewhat offensive and I should never have said anything like that at all.

Thank you all.

Dr Barakzai, help this poor man.

[Bengal_Tiger]

In Russia, how one mainly Muslim region beat back radicalism

SEARCH FOR SOLUTIONS Tatarstan has had a problem with Islamic extremism. But the Russian republic has avoided the violence that consumed Chechnya, by both resisting Wahabbism and promoting its own native Muslim traditions.



By Fred Weir, Correspondent AUGUST 22, 2016

KAZAN, RUSSIA — For many outside Russia, the first thing that comes to mind when they think about Islam and Russia is the country's turbulent north Caucasus region.

Poverty, war, and slow-burn insurrection have left large areas there under the sway of religious authorities who advocate tough sharia law, polygamy, and even female circumcision. Chechnya, where local nationalist-minded separatists were gradually supplanted by militant Islamists, has been pacified after two brutal Kremlin-ordered wars. But now it is ironically under control of a pro-Moscow strongman who is reportedly imposing elements of sharia law in violation of the Russian constitution.

About a thousand miles north, the mainly Muslim republic of Tatarstan has also seen a good deal of turmoil since the USSR's breakup a quarter century ago. Both Tatarstan and Chechnya tried to separate from Russia amid the Soviet twilight and sought national independence. But since then their paths have subsequently diverged radically.


Unlike the Chechens, the Tatars never took up arms, and their leaders quietly shelved notions of independence when Vladimir Putin came to power espousing tough top-down central power. Islamist extremists, who abound in Tatarstan, never got a foothold in power, says Irina Zyagelskaya, an expert with the Institute of Oriental Studies in Moscow.



Instead, the Tatars have been gradually winning their fight to craft a tolerant and moderate strain of Islam that would enable believers to navigate the complexities of modern secular society – and comfortably coexist with Christian neighbors and co-workers.

"We have two completely different examples of how regions with Islamic identities emerged from the Soviet Union and related to being part of Russia," she says. "Of course this is far from settled in either region, and we are only beginning to understand the lessons of these experiences."

A Wahabbi problem

Russia has about 20 million Muslims, 15 percent of the population, mostly concentrated in "ethnic republics" like these. All these regions lived under 70 years of enforced Soviet secularism, until the implosion of communism left an ideological vacuum which religious authorities rushed to fill. In most of Russia the Orthodox Church was quick to revive and claim its rights over Slavic populations.

But here in Tatarstan, and in most of Russia's mostly Sunni Muslim regions, local scholars were few, religious organization was weak, and funding was scarce. The new, nationalist-minded Tatar government turned to benefactors in Saudi Arabia and the Persian Gulf to help fill the gap.

"Hundreds of students were sent abroad in the 1990s, mainly to Saudi Arabia, where they were offered free education. When they came back, they became our first wave of religious authorities," says Eleonora Rilova, a correspondent who covers religious affairs for Evening Kazan, a leading Tatar newspaper. "We just didn't know in those days that there were very different strains of Islam. When these students returned, and became imams in all the new Saudi-financed mosques, they preached what they'd learned. And that was Wahabbism," the uncompromising, intolerant fundamentalist version of Islam that prevails in Saudi Arabia.

Tatar leaders realized they had a Wahabbi problem a few years ago, after it was revealed that a large contingent of Tatar militants had gone to fight alongside the Taliban in Afghanistan, says Rais Suleimanov, an expert with the security service-linked Institute of National Strategy and author of an upcoming book about terrorism in Russia. Arguably the turning point came when Islamist extremists struck here in Kazan, killing a leading Muslim scholar and badly injuring Tatarstan's chief mufti, Ildus Faizov, the republic's Muslim spiritual head.

A tough police crackdown since the attempted assassination of the mufti has driven Wahabbi ideas underground. The republic's religious authorities have vigorously purged radical imams from Tatarstan's 1,500 mosques.

"Some Tatars ended up in Guantanamo. One prominent Tatar radical, Irek Khamidullin, was convicted of terrorism in a US court last year," Mr. Suleimanov says. "We've had several terrorist acts here, which the authorities try to hush up. And we know that Wahabbi ideas are popular in prisons, and have even penetrated into the security services. But now our authorities are wide awake. They do see the danger, and are taking firm steps to combat radical influences."

"In theory we have separation of church and state, but not in reality," says Mr. Garipov, the imam. "You cannot openly propagate anything outside of the religious establishment, and that is closely linked with the authorities. We used to struggle openly with Wahabbis in the mosques, now we only do so on the internet. It cannot be denied that many have just gone underground, but the good thing is that we no longer have open calls to radical action, as we did in the past."

Another factor, according to Suleimanov, is that most Tatar militants who would be willing to take up arms have decamped to Syria. "Altogether about 3,000 Russians have gone to fight with Islamic State in Syria. Most of those are from the north Caucasus, but we estimate maybe 300 Tatars are among them."

Tatarstan's Muslim heritage

Tatarstan, and the neighboring, mainly Muslim Urals republic of Bashkortostan, differs from the north Caucasus in other key respects.

The Caucasus territories that are today so unstable were conquered by the Russian Empire in the 19th century, and they remain the poorest and most backward Russian regions to this day.

Tatars have been part of Russia and coexisted – if not always easily – with Russian neighbors for almost 500 years. Oil-rich Tatarstan, with an educated population, is one of the most prosperous parts of Russia. Although the republic tried to declare independence from Moscow in the 1990s, as did Chechnya, it crucially avoided the military conflicts that have turned some of Russia's mainly Muslim southern regions into no-go zones for law enforcement and active incubators of terrorism.

Perhaps more importantly, Tatarstan has its own thousand-year-old indigenous brand of Islam, which experts say presents the strongest barrier to extremist ideas.

"The Arab countries that exported their ideas to Tatarstan are mono-religious states, whereas here we have a long history of living alongside people of other faiths. We have a lot of mixed marriages," says Nail Khazrat Garipov, an imam at Kazan's central Apanayevskaya mosque. "We have a Sufi heritage here, plus our own ways. Women have much more freedom, for instance, they sit at the same table with men. They wear headscarves, but not veils. The Wahabbis assail us for these things, but most Tatar people prefer their own traditions."

Investment, not Islamism

More than a decade ago scholars at Tatarstan's Islamic University at first tried to create a fully secular ideology, dubbed "Euro-Islam," to counter the Wahabbi influence. By most accounts, that has fallen flat. But experts say traditional Tatar religious practice has proven resilient.

The republic's leaders are investing heavily in ways to accentuate the local brand of Islam, including a lavish historical reconstruction of the Tatars' ancient capital of Bulgar, where they were converted to Islam a millennium ago. The project will feature a huge mosque and an Islamic Academy, to better steer local religious beliefs. Tatarstan's former president, Mintimer Shaimiyev, is also sponsoring the revival of a 500-year-old Russian Orthodox center near Kazan, Sviyazhsk, to stress the republic's present-day commitment to religious tolerance and diversity.

"Our authorities now prioritize business and investment, and they are doing everything to suppress any discussion of Islamist radicalism because they could undermine Tatarstan's economic attractiveness," says Sergei Sergeyev, a political scientist at Kazan's National Research University. "They are sincerely promoting civic and religious tolerance. They don't need any nationalism or religious radicalism, they need investment."

But Garipov, the imam, says he is not sure things are normalizing. "A lot of people have stopped exhibiting their [radical] views as openly as they did in the past. Maybe quite a few of them have gone to Syria. But I feel the threat is still there. It's possible we just have a false feeling of calm these days.

In Russia, how one mainly Muslim region beat back radicalism - CSMonitor.com



Putin gives award to Tatar Mufti.



Muslim and Orthodox. In Russia many "Tatars" and "Russians" are ethnically/genetically the same people e.g Mishar Finns who became Orthodox or Muslim, thus Slavicized or Turkified respectively.



Muslims in Russia.



Mosque in Kazan.





Pro-Putin Hijabi.





Putin opens Russian mosque.