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    Suicide Attack at Church in Pakistan Kills Dozens

    PESHAWAR, Pakistan — A suicide attack on a historic Christian church in northwestern Pakistan killed at least 78 people on Sunday in one of the deadliest attacks on the Christian minority in Pakistan in years.
    The attack occurred as worshipers left All Saints Church in the old quarter of the regional capital, Peshawar, after a service on Sunday morning. Up to 600 people had attended the service and were leaving to receive free food being distributed on the lawn outside when two explosions ripped through the crowd.





    nytimes.com
    http://www.nytimes.com/2013/09/23/world/asia/pakistan-church-bombing.html?_r=0
    Tags: attack, church, dozens, kills, pakistan, suicide
  • #2
    Quran 22:40


    [They are] those who have been evicted from their homes without right - only because they say, "Our Lord is Allah ." And were it not that Allah checks the people, some by means of others, there would have been demolished monasteries, churches, synagogues, and mosques in which the name of Allah is much mentioned. And Allah will surely support those who support Him. Indeed, Allah is Powerful and Exalted in Might.

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    • #3
      Originally posted by badmash_khel View Post
      Quran 22:40


      [They are] those who have been evicted from their homes without right - only because they say, "Our Lord is Allah ." And were it not that Allah checks the people, some by means of others, there would have been demolished monasteries, churches, synagogues, and mosques in which the name of Allah is much mentioned. And Allah will surely support those who support Him. Indeed, Allah is Powerful and Exalted in Might.
      Please explain what you are trying to say, also give the context for the verse in case you know it.
      Originally posted by Firdousi
      Never talk with Afghans about politics. All their political knowledge is limited to conspiracy theories, political demonization and contradictions. No logic, no reason.

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      • #4
        he's saying oppressing people for being a different religion is a despicable act and contradicts Islam.
        [QUOTE=Afghanistan2010;658085][B]He is no different [COLOR="Red"]than us[/COLOR][/B],[B]he[COLOR="Red"] blindly believes [/COLOR]in the words [COLOR="Red"]of other men[/COLOR][/B],:[/QUOTE]

        2010 Admitting he's a blind believer not in God, but what other men says.

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        • #5
          Originally posted by Shamlawar Khurasani View Post
          Please explain what you are trying to say, also give the context for the verse in case you know it.
          The verse is pretty self explanatory. People need to respect places of worship of other religions.

          Wether this act is carried out by muslims or not. This verse has good advice for all. Mutual respect for places of worship.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by badmash_khel View Post
            The verse is pretty self explanatory. People need to respect places of worship of other religions.

            Wether this act is carried out by muslims or not. This verse has good advice for all. Mutual respect for places of worship.
            The verse about permission being given to Prophet Muhammad sal allahu alayhi wasalam to wage war against the polytheists because they have driven out Muslims from their homes.

            Please think before posting a verse.

            No doubt the places of worship of others need not to be attacked. But don't randomly post verses out of context.
            Originally posted by Firdousi
            Never talk with Afghans about politics. All their political knowledge is limited to conspiracy theories, political demonization and contradictions. No logic, no reason.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by RevolutionThroughReason View Post
              he's saying oppressing people for being a different religion is a despicable act and contradicts Islam.
              He should use a dozen of other verses more appropriate for this matter.
              Originally posted by Firdousi
              Never talk with Afghans about politics. All their political knowledge is limited to conspiracy theories, political demonization and contradictions. No logic, no reason.

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              • #8
                I think the verse he used is very relevant considering where the attack happened. Badmash Khel is highlighting a great pont.
                [QUOTE=Afghanistan2010;658085][B]He is no different [COLOR="Red"]than us[/COLOR][/B],[B]he[COLOR="Red"] blindly believes [/COLOR]in the words [COLOR="Red"]of other men[/COLOR][/B],:[/QUOTE]

                2010 Admitting he's a blind believer not in God, but what other men says.

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                • #9
                  Talibans said they disown the attack and they believe this is an attempt to sabotage the peace talks in Pakistan.
                  Originally posted by Firdousi
                  Never talk with Afghans about politics. All their political knowledge is limited to conspiracy theories, political demonization and contradictions. No logic, no reason.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Shamlawar Khurasani View Post
                    The verse about permission being given to Prophet Muhammad sal allahu alayhi wasalam to wage war against the polytheists because they have driven out Muslims from their homes.

                    Please think before posting a verse.

                    No doubt the places of worship of others need not to be attacked. But don't randomly post verses out of context.
                    Maybe I should have highlighted the relevant part of the verse but i think it is pretty explicit and relevant to this incidence.

                    Let's hope whoever carried out this atrocity is brought to justice. Most of these christians in Peshawar are really poor "jamadaran", (cleaners). They already do jobs that no one in peshawar will do. Really feel sorry for them.

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                    • #11
                      ^ yeah, even their regular life in countries like pakistan is full of hardships because they are the poorest of poors and on top now terrorists are targeting them.

                      I really think they should migrate to some other country, because no one will help them in that country.

                      Also even if they convert to Islam, that wouldn't help them, because remember pakistan still follows caste system, they will always be viewed as second class, regardless

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                      • #12
                        Lowest caste? Doing cleaning jobs? Sounds like Muslims in the West.
                        Originally posted by Firdousi
                        Never talk with Afghans about politics. All their political knowledge is limited to conspiracy theories, political demonization and contradictions. No logic, no reason.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Shamlawar Khurasani View Post
                          Talibans said they disown the attack and they believe this is an attempt to sabotage the peace talks in Pakistan.
                          Maybe they did it, maybe they didn't. Not like there is any shortage of maniacs and the people that support them in Pakistan but to claim that this was an attempt to sabotage peace talks is funny considering they killed a high ranking general just the other day.
                          There are people today who think that admitting God’s absolute greatness decreases the value and importance of humans in the creation, as if God and mankind are rivals competing in greatness and power. Meanwhile I feel that whenever our perception of God’s greatness increases, with it we become greater, because we are the creation of a great God.

                          Sayyid Qutb

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by randolph85 View Post
                            Maybe they did it, maybe they didn't. Not like there is any shortage of maniacs and the people that support them in Pakistan but to claim that this was an attempt to sabotage peace talks is funny considering they killed a high ranking general just the other day.
                            If a Muslims says I did it, it doesn't matter if it serves his political goals or not, his word counts as we as Muslims are obliged to believe a fellow Muslim for his words. Especially if he is a noble person who wages jihad.

                            If a Muslim denies, likewise we have to believe them. This is what Islam teaches us.

                            You may have other ideas due to your own perceptions, but principles and ethics of Islam should guide us when we judge people.

                            Take al-Shabab in Somalia as an example. They openly took responsiblity for the attack. You can now condemn their action or praise it depending on what particular madhab you are following with regards to killing people.

                            But there you have solid proof that they did it.

                            When you have no such proof, speaking about it only increases your sin.
                            Originally posted by Firdousi
                            Never talk with Afghans about politics. All their political knowledge is limited to conspiracy theories, political demonization and contradictions. No logic, no reason.

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                            • #15
                              yet, there are other articles saying a wing of the ttp had taken responsibility for this attack. so what then?

                              likewise if 2 muslims, bad muslims but muslims nonetheless contradict each other, are we to believe both?

                              forgive me for not taking the word of people who have in the past taken credit for killing innocents. *sin increasing*
                              There are people today who think that admitting God’s absolute greatness decreases the value and importance of humans in the creation, as if God and mankind are rivals competing in greatness and power. Meanwhile I feel that whenever our perception of God’s greatness increases, with it we become greater, because we are the creation of a great God.

                              Sayyid Qutb

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