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    Russian Muslim clerics warn of unrest over ban of translation of Koran
    Fri, Sep 20 2013
    By Alissa de Carbonnel
    MOSCOW (Reuters) - Russia's senior Islamic clerics warned the country's leaders on Friday unrest could erupt in Muslim communities in Russia and beyond if a court decision ordering the destruction of a interpretive translation of Koran is not overturned.
    Tuesday's ruling by a court in Novorossiysk, a city in southern Russia, ordered the widely read text outlawed under a Russian anti-extremism law that rights activists say has been abused by local officials out of prejudice or to persecute groups frowned upon by the dominant Russian Orthodox Church.
    Rights campaigners said that the decision, which will apply nationwide unless it is overturned on appeal, comes dangerously close to banning the Koran itself.
    Russia's Council of Muftis sounded the alarm in an open letter on Friday to President Vladimir Putin, who has frequently called for unity among the leading faiths and warned that ethnic tension could tear Russia apart.
    "Russian Muslims are very strongly indignant over such an outrageous decision," Rushan Abbyasov, the deputy head of the council, which has close ties with the Kremlin, told Reuters.
    If the ruling is acted on, the cleric warned: "There will be unrest ... not only in Russia but all over the world, we are talking about the destruction of the Koran."
    In the letter to Putin, the council drew a parallel with violence in the Middle East and Afghanistan over the actions of an American pastor, Terry Jones, who threatened to burn the Koran on September 11, 2010.
    "Is it necessary to discuss how the destruction of books, especially sacred religious books, has been received in Russia in the past?" it said.
    "We recall how the burning of just a few copies of the Holy Koran by a crazy American pastor elicited a firm protest not just from Russian Muslims but from our entire society, in solidarity with the stormy and longlasting anger of the global Muslim community and all people of goodwill," it said.
    A lawyer representing the text's author, Azeri theologian Elmir Kuliyev, said he will appeal the ruling, which calls for the text to be banned and copies of it "destroyed".
    "This is pure idiocy. Some local prosecutor sent this material to a local court and they together decided to ban a holy book," lawyer Murat Musayev, who has one month to appeal the ruling, told Reuters.
    "On the one hand there is freedom of religion in Russia, on the other they are banning fundamental religious texts."
    Experts say the more than decade-old translation by Kuliyev is a respected scholarly work, one of four translations of the Koran into Russian.
    "This is one step away from banning the Koran," said Akhmed Yarlikapov, an expert on Islam with the Russian Academy of Sciences.
    "This is a very high quality translation," he said. "The banning of Kuliyev's translation is utterly unprofessional, you could ban the Bible just as easily because it also has passages that talk about the spilling of blood."
    BLACKLIST
    Putin has championed the dominant Russian Orthodox Church as a moral compass but has also called for a multicultural Russian identity and emphasized the need to avoid religious strife in a country with a Muslim minority estimated at about 15 percent.
    The government is fighting against a persistent Islamist insurgency in the North Caucasus, spawned by separatist wars in Chechnya, and tension between ethnic Russians and Muslim minorities have led to outbursts of violence across the country.
    Since Russia's anti-extremism law was passed in 2002, with the purpose of curbing potential militant threats, over 2,000 publications have been placed on a blacklist posted on the Justice Ministry's website.
    The inclusion of some texts, such as the Russian edition of the diaries of Nazi Germany's propaganda minister Joseph Goebbels and Adolf Hitler's "Mein Kampf", has won praise from human rights campaigners.
    But critics say too many innocuous works have been added, threatening the rights of minority groups. Analysts say the abuse stems from vague wording in the law and procedures that empowering local official in a flawed justice system.
    Once a court anywhere in Russia judges a text extremist, it is automatically added to the nationwide blacklist.
    Among the controversial materials included are the books of Turkish theologian Said Nursi, another of Kuliyev's works, a hadith collection of the sayings of the prophet Muhammad and Jehovah's Witnesses' basic texts.
    "The way that the extremism law works is this kind of unstoppable mechanism that allows very junior courts to ban what they like," said Geraldine Fagan, an expert and author of a book on Russian religious policy.
    "This is quite a momentous case. It could be the case that turns everything around and triggers a reversal of the general tendency, although that would surprise me," Fagan said.
    "There doesn't seem to be any political will whatsoever to stop this from happening despite very high level criticism."
    (Editing by Sonya Hepinstall)
    Originally posted by Firdousi
    Never talk with Afghans about politics. All their political knowledge is limited to conspiracy theories, political demonization and contradictions. No logic, no reason.

  • #2
    [MENTION=4934]RevolutionThroughReason[/MENTION]

    Your thoughts please since you suggested this is a lie.
    Last edited by Shamlawar Khurasani; 09-21-2013, 03:24 AM.
    Originally posted by Firdousi
    Never talk with Afghans about politics. All their political knowledge is limited to conspiracy theories, political demonization and contradictions. No logic, no reason.

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    • #3
      [MENTION=1326]Tjanaparh[/MENTION]

      You said that its a lie?
      Originally posted by Firdousi
      Never talk with Afghans about politics. All their political knowledge is limited to conspiracy theories, political demonization and contradictions. No logic, no reason.

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      • #4
        Yes - it won't be a lie when they really would ban the Quran. You clearly wrote "Quran banned".
        1)The translation you talk about is available
        2) It is not the only translation

        To say Quran is banned in Russia is not right.
        Its like saying somebody is dead while somebody is seriously ill.
        You use the emotion card very much, but be at least objective.
        I don't say something like this is impossible or possible. Please stay on what is and say what is today.

        Also, as You supposedly know the Quran and Russian, could You tell what is the basic difference of this translation to other translations? Why the court wants to ban exactly this translation?
        Have You got an idea?
        Ա՜խ, ընկել եմ քար ու քարափ,
        Իմ սրբություն, ե՛տ արի, ե՛տ,

        Ես ծովակ եմ առանց կարապ,
        Իմ էություն, ե՛տ արի, ե՛տ:

        Ես անտառ եմ առանց եղնիկ
        Իմ վեհություն, ե՛տ արի, ե՛տ:

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        • #5
          Originally posted by Tjanaparh View Post
          Yes - it won't be a lie when they really would ban the Quran. You clearly wrote "Quran banned".
          1)The translation you talk about is available
          2) It is not the only translation

          To say Quran is banned in Russia is not right.
          Its like saying somebody is dead while somebody is seriously ill.
          You use the emotion card very much, but be at least objective.
          I don't say something like this is impossible or possible. Please stay on what is and say what is today.

          Also, as You supposedly know the Quran and Russian, could You tell what is the basic difference of this translation to other translations? Why the court wants to ban exactly this translation?
          Have You got an idea?

          The matter is quite simpel. You are arrogant and defensive of this decision and you accuse me of playing the emotion card.

          Fact of the matter is that they want to ban a particular translation that is context based rather than the creative interpretations.

          Just look up the Guliyev translation and the specific verses that the court considers to be extremist.

          When you bring those specific verses forward into this discussion I will prove to you that this ban is in reality a ban on Quran itself and not merely the Guliyev translation.
          Originally posted by Firdousi
          Never talk with Afghans about politics. All their political knowledge is limited to conspiracy theories, political demonization and contradictions. No logic, no reason.

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          • #6
            This is the one that is going to be banned: http://www.islamhouse.com/385328/en/...n_into_Russian
            Originally posted by Firdousi
            Never talk with Afghans about politics. All their political knowledge is limited to conspiracy theories, political demonization and contradictions. No logic, no reason.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by Tjanaparh View Post
              Yes - it won't be a lie when they really would ban the Quran. You clearly wrote "Quran banned".
              1)The translation you talk about is available
              2) It is not the only translation

              To say Quran is banned in Russia is not right.
              Its like saying somebody is dead while somebody is seriously ill.
              You use the emotion card very much, but be at least objective.
              I don't say something like this is impossible or possible. Please stay on what is and say what is today.

              Also, as You supposedly know the Quran and Russian, could You tell what is the basic difference of this translation to other translations? Why the court wants to ban exactly this translation?
              Have You got an idea?
              see i wasnt wrong when i asked why you are defending russia.

              thats why from my understanding and the anti Pashtun and anti muslims members(soldat,toramana,badlun) you are also backing on this forum it is clear that you have no good intentions towards us muslims and pashtuns.

              for someone who cries about turks being unfair to them and than defending the russian **** , it is clear that your problem is simply with muslims and especially those who say that russia has nothing to do with chechnyans and dagestanies while you promote the idea that chechnya should follow the alcoholic culture of russians.

              atleast be honest and dont put a fake smile and friendly face.

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              • #8
                Sorry, I am not baking anybody here, nor You, nor Toramana nor Badlun.
                I don't need to back anyone.
                You can talk for Yourself and they for themselve.
                Who am I to do so, your judge? defenitely not!
                I am not defendeing Russia again.

                I promote alcoholic culture?
                Intresting?
                You know that I don't drink Alcohol maybe?
                If not than You should know that I don't drink alcohol.
                But to your information Alcohol is not Russian culture neither anyones culture.
                Alcohol is no culture.
                And to your info I easily know that Daghestan and Chechnya never wanted to join Russia. There is no need to portray me on how you like because You want to see me in one or the other way and want on every price to make me a communist and a butcher of Chechens.
                Also i don't cry about Turks. What happened was fault of us, because we did not oppose enough and let us kill.
                Ա՜խ, ընկել եմ քար ու քարափ,
                Իմ սրբություն, ե՛տ արի, ե՛տ,

                Ես ծովակ եմ առանց կարապ,
                Իմ էություն, ե՛տ արի, ե՛տ:

                Ես անտառ եմ առանց եղնիկ
                Իմ վեհություն, ե՛տ արի, ե՛տ:

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                • #9
                  So what if they bans Quran? Like muslims in the muslim countries are so tolerant against other religion miniroties.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Tjanaparh View Post
                    Sorry, I am not baking anybody here, nor You, nor Toramana nor Badlun.
                    I don't need to back anyone.
                    You can talk for Yourself and they for themselve.
                    Who am I to do so, your judge? defenitely not!
                    I am not defendeing Russia again.

                    I promote alcoholic culture?
                    Intresting?
                    You know that I don't drink Alcohol maybe?
                    If not than You should know that I don't drink alcohol.
                    But to your information Alcohol is not Russian culture neither anyones culture.
                    Alcohol is no culture.
                    And to your info I easily know that Daghestan and Chechnya never wanted to join Russia. There is no need to portray me on how you like because You want to see me in one or the other way and want on every price to make me a communist and a butcher of Chechens.
                    Also i don't cry about Turks. What happened was fault of us, because we did not oppose enough and let us kill.
                    yes you are backing them up , and have done so in the past and im not saying you shouldnt . you dont need to back me up since Pashtuns(99.9) would agree with me on these vermins. A person who contantly maligns muslims and pashtuns and you admire him is backing him up. You are doing so out of ignorance and i find it kind of hard to believe knowing that you had actually visited Afghanistan.

                    you are defending russia by trying to portray this suppression of Muslims and Islam as somethign which isnt really happening.

                    in the past you have said that chechnyans have more in common with russians,hinting that they are better off with russia than united with other muslims such as arab or turks.

                    russian culture is an alcoholic culture and so is most of the culture of those countries infected by russians. Chechnya also been infected by this russian culture but lately their own culture if reviving.

                    GROZNY -- Islamic leaders in Russia's Chechen Republic are calling for a complete ban on alcohol, RFE/RL's North Caucasus Service reports.

                    This month, Moscow-backed Chechen President Ramzan Kadyrov promised to undertake "urgent measures to save the republic from the possible collapse caused by alcohol consumption."

                    Some 42 liquor stores have been shut down in the Chechen capital, Grozny, so far in February.

                    Chechen Tax Committee head Islam Vazarkhanov told RFE/RL that liquor stores should be open only three hours a day.

                    Islamic leaders in Russia's Chechen Republic are calling for a complete ban on alcohol, RFE/RL's North Caucasus Service reports.



                    i do not have any interest to see you ,liek this or like that.
                    you are the one who jumped here and said that banning the Qurans(be it translation,or a specific one) was a lie even now you dont want to believe it.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Khostai View Post
                      So what if they bans Quran? Like muslims in the muslim countries are so tolerant against other religion miniroties.
                      go back to your corner you lab monkey.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Tjanaparh View Post
                        Sorry, I am not baking anybody here, nor You, nor Toramana nor Badlun.
                        I don't need to back anyone.
                        You can talk for Yourself and they for themselve.
                        Who am I to do so, your judge? defenitely not!
                        I am not defendeing Russia again.

                        I promote alcoholic culture?
                        Intresting?
                        You know that I don't drink Alcohol maybe?
                        If not than You should know that I don't drink alcohol.
                        But to your information Alcohol is not Russian culture neither anyones culture.
                        Alcohol is no culture.
                        And to your info I easily know that Daghestan and Chechnya never wanted to join Russia. There is no need to portray me on how you like because You want to see me in one or the other way and want on every price to make me a communist and a butcher of Chechens.
                        Also i don't cry about Turks. What happened was fault of us, because we did not oppose enough and let us kill.

                        Don't play around. I responded to you when you were advocating Nationalism for Pashtuns and you disappeared on me.

                        Here you want to claim that the ban on one particular translation does not mean Quran is banned by itself.

                        I am here to debate you. Bring forward the verses that the court deems to be extremist. Let's hear it and see what this is all about.

                        Don't run away again.
                        Originally posted by Firdousi
                        Never talk with Afghans about politics. All their political knowledge is limited to conspiracy theories, political demonization and contradictions. No logic, no reason.

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                        • #13
                          well crap I guess I was wrong.
                          [QUOTE=Afghanistan2010;658085][B]He is no different [COLOR="Red"]than us[/COLOR][/B],[B]he[COLOR="Red"] blindly believes [/COLOR]in the words [COLOR="Red"]of other men[/COLOR][/B],:[/QUOTE]

                          2010 Admitting he's a blind believer not in God, but what other men says.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by ډګروال View Post
                            go back to your corner you lab monkey.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Shamlawar Khurasani View Post
                              Don't play around. I responded to you when you were advocating Nationalism for Pashtuns and you disappeared on me.

                              Here you want to claim that the ban on one particular translation does not mean Quran is banned by itself.

                              I am here to debate you. Bring forward the verses that the court deems to be extremist. Let's hear it and see what this is all about.

                              Don't run away again.
                              I didn't disappear. I told You I answer You wwhen I have normal time.
                              I didn't answer not only to You but to many here.

                              I am not here to debate You in the verses of Quran. And You can simply immagine why. I don't know Arabic to proof what translation is better.But actually i also cannot find what this court found extrimist on internet. If you have a link post it.

                              I can only find the whole Quran but not what passages the court refered to.
                              Ա՜խ, ընկել եմ քար ու քարափ,
                              Իմ սրբություն, ե՛տ արի, ե՛տ,

                              Ես ծովակ եմ առանց կարապ,
                              Իմ էություն, ե՛տ արի, ե՛տ:

                              Ես անտառ եմ առանց եղնիկ
                              Իմ վեհություն, ե՛տ արի, ե՛տ:

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