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    Catalan Separatists to Link for Independence Cause

    Secessionists Hope to Revitalize Movement With 249-Mile Human Chain





    People practiced in Barcelona last week for a 400-kilometer human chain that will span Catalonia Sept. 11.

    BARCELONA—Catalan independence activists want to revitalize their movement with a more eye-catching protest than a mass street rally staged a year ago: a 400-kilometer (249-mile) human chain traversing Catalonia from the Pyrenees Mountains to the Mediterranean Sea.

    Secessionists in Spain's richest region are counting on the Sept. 11 spectacle, dubbed the Catalan Way Toward Independence, to help them recapture lost political momentum ahead of what could be a decisive year for their cause.

    The chain, which will require at least 400,000 demonstrators to fill its ranks, will follow the ancient Roman route of the Via Augusta, snaking through canyons, beaches and farmland, as well as the streets of 86 communities. To transport demonstrators, organizers plan to deploy more than 1,000 buses, some of which will be brought from other provinces or neighboring France. Recording the event will be 800 photographers on the ground, along with a small fleet of drones and light planes in the air.

    The demonstration, taking place on a regional holiday, is designed to press regional and national leaders for a referendum on independence in 2014, a year that coincides with the 300th anniversary of Catalonia's defeat by the Spanish crown after the bloody siege of Barcelona. (It is symbolically significant that participants will link hands at 5:14 p.m., or 17:14 military time.)

    Catalonia, Spain's most industrialized region, has long asserted that the central government discriminates against its language and culture while siphoning off much more in tax revenue than it returns in investment. But the administration in Madrid has refused to hear any talk of a referendum, arguing that Catalonia has benefited from national policies, such as the central government's rescue of a poorly-run regional bank in 2011. Spain's painful recession has intensified the disputes over public finances—and pro-separatist sentiment in Catalonia.

    This year's demonstration presents more challenges than last year's separatist rally—when some one million people flooded the streets of Barcelona—because of the daunting logistical chore of transporting participants to sparsely populated places along the route, organizers say.

    "Last year we were bringing all of Catalonia to Barcelona," said Ferran Civit, a lead organizer for the Catalan National Assembly, the region's biggest pro-independence group. "This year, we're moving all of Barcelona to Catalonia."

    Organizers are drawing inspiration from Estonia, Latvia and Lithuania, where protesters formed a million-person human chain stretching 600 kilometers in 1989 to protest the oppression of those Baltic Republics under Soviet rule. Within several months, Lithuania declared independence from the Soviet Union, which then collapsed in 1991. Catalan organizers have flown in Baltic advisers to help them with the chain.

    Catalans who oppose secession say they are offended by the implication that Spain's central government in some way resembles the Soviet Union.

    "That kind of parallelism is worrisome because it distorts the reality of the relationship between Catalonia and the rest of the country," said Andrea Levy, a leader of the Catalan branch of the conservative Popular Party, which governs nationally.

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    The Barcelona march a year ago, which drew an estimated 15% to 20% of the region's population, briefly put the long-feeble Catalan independence movement at the forefront of the political debate over Europe's debt crisis. It also highlighted the strains between wealthier and poorer regions of nations on the Continent.

    But a tactical miscalculation by the head of the Catalan regional government, Artur Mas, cut short the separatist movement's momentum. Seeking to ride the postdemonstration political wave, Mr. Mas and his center-right Convergence and Union party formally embraced independence and called an election last November to bolster the region's negotiating position with Madrid.

    Pro-independence candidates on the whole gained ground in Catalonia's parliament in that election. But Mr. Mas's party lost seats, hobbling the leader who had styled himself the movement's leader. A spokesman said Mr. Mas, who has pledged to push through the independence referendum, supports the chain and will meet with organizers but won't take a place on the route himself.

    As a consequence of Mr. Mas's electoral gambit "some people lost sight of the fact that this is fundamentally a grass-roots movement," said Elisenda Paluzie i Hernàndez, dean of economics at the University of Barcelona, who has registered for a spot in the chain.

    In all, 14 nongovernmental groups are organizing the chain. Along each 500-meter stretch of the route, a coordinator will be charged with mustering and lining up the demonstrators. A special mobile phone app will offer demonstrators practical information on their portion of the chain. Catalans abroad also will form chains in dozens of cities, from Tokyo to Cincinnati, Ohio, organizers say.

    Skeptics question whether independence backers can pull off a feat requiring such a combination of ideological zeal and organizational sophistication.

    "As average Catalans realize that the independence leaders are actually serious about secession, they are having second thoughts about participating," said Ángel Hernández Guardia, leader of an anti-independence group called 12-O, named for Spain's Oct. 12 national holiday. It plans to stage a counter protest on Sept. 11.

    One volunteer promoting the pro-independence chain is Anna Aroca, who runs Help Catalonia, a 3-year-old website that aggregates and translates articles about the region in five languages.

    Ms. Aroca recently sent a message on her mobile phone asking contacts for status reports from Catalan communities that have been holding trial runs for the chain. Quickly she received a photo of activists forming a chain in a ravine and another of protesters hand-in-hand on a city street.

    Then came another photo, showing denizens of a nude beach holding hands to support independence. "I told you, there is very broad-based support for our cause," she said.

    One practice run recently took place in the town of Granollers, just outside of Barcelona. An hour before the trial was to begin, Maria Dolors Taulats, a 57-year-old translator who is leading local demonstrators, was pacing nervously around the ancient town plaza, unsure of how the event would come off.

    "If only three people come, we'll form a chain around a rock on the square," she said. "If we get 150, we'll form a chain around the square itself. If it's 500 people, we'll hold hands out on the main street." In the end, a couple of thousand people turned out for the practice, and the chain wound from the square through the town's main downtown streets.


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  • #2
    1. Many in Spain's most prosperous region want independence.

    2. Catalans are a separate nation as Pashtuns are from Punjabis i.e. Catalan is a separate language closer to French than to "Spanish" (Castilian)

    3. Madrid has refused to allow them to hold a referendum on independence.

    However next year, 2014 Scotland will vote on independence.

    If Scotland votes for independence and leaves the United Kingdom, there will be fierce pressure on Madrid not to appear anti-democratic and fascist and deny the Catalans a referendum.

    In fact denying Catalans a referendum would perhaps even make those Catalans not in favour of independence, think that is bullying by Spain and in fact alter their views to support independence.

    4. If Scotland and then Catalonia vote for independence and separate from the UK and Spain, then separatists all over Europe will seek either more autonomy or independence.



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    • #3
      message from killzai

      "**** catalans because spanish is the best!"
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      Pashton's girlfriend

      I'm a Pashtun Princes


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      • #4
        Originally posted by Hallo View Post
        "**** catalans because spanish is the best!"
        Why?
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        • #5
          Originally posted by Bengal_Tiger View Post
          Why?
          i don't know. ask killzai not me. but i will forward your question.
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          • #6
            Originally posted by Hallo View Post
            i don't know. ask killzai not me. but i will forward your question.
            Ok thanks.

            I thought that you empathized with the Spaniards/Castilians because the USSR broke up in to 15 countries and you didn't want something similar to happen to Spain with Catalonia and the Basque country separating.
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            • #7
              Originally posted by Bengal_Tiger View Post
              Ok thanks.

              I thought that you empathized with the Spaniards/Castilians because the USSR broke up in to 15 countries and you didn't want something similar to happen to Spain with Catalonia and the Basque country separating.
              15 countries? it was more

              no it was a message from killzai-read the title of this post
              faye's chauffeur

              Pashton's girlfriend

              I'm a Pashtun Princes


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              • #8
                Originally posted by Hallo View Post
                15 countries? it was more

                no it was a message from killzai-read the title of this post
                Aha I see.

                How sweet of you to to do what he asked you.

                You are so generous.
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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Bengal_Tiger View Post
                  Aha I see.

                  How sweet of you to to do what he asked you.

                  You are so generous.
                  if i can help i always help
                  so if you need help just ask and i can hopefully help you
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                  • #10
                    Thanks.

                    Yeah, I would like you to help me.

                    Can you do it?
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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Bengal_Tiger View Post
                      Thanks.

                      Yeah, I would like you to help me.

                      Can you do it?
                      it depends on what
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                      • #12
                        Ok, never mind then.
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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Bengal_Tiger View Post
                          Ok, never mind then.
                          why? just say!
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                          • #14
                            Catalonia talks down 2014 self-rule vote


                            Published: 06 Sep 2013 11:56 GMT+02:00 | Print version
                            Updated: 06 Sep 2013 11:56 GMT+02:00

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                            The leader of Spain's debt-ridden northeastern region of Catalonia all but conceded Thursday he will not hold a promised 2014 poll asserting the right to self-determination if Madrid maintains its fierce opposition.



                            Catalan president Artur Mas made the statement less than a week ahead of the region's September 11th national day, when separatists will attempt to form a human chain of hundreds of thousands of people across Catalonia to call for breaking away from the rest of Spain.

                            Mas said the referendum he has promised for next year, despite outright opposition from Madrid, would be held legally and in agreement with the Spanish government.

                            "I think the Spanish government will tend more to obstruct the whole process," however, he admitted in an interview with Catalan public radio.

                            If Madrid blocked his promised poll in 2014, as expected, then the region would transform the 2016 Catalan government elections into a kind of plebiscite on the right of Catalonia to decide its own future, Mas warned.

                            "If the Spanish government flatly refuses to accept any path of political agreement and shelters under supposed legality so that legality becomes a brake to the popular will, we will always have a final framework that will be legal, which will be the elections," he said.

                            A vote for parties favouring self-determination in the 2016 Catalan elections, however, would not have any legal impact on the region's constitutional status.

                            Proud of their distinct language and culture and their business savvy, yet suffering in Spain's economic crisis, many Catalans resent seeing their taxes redistributed to other regions of the country.

                            As a result, separatist stirrings have surged in the region, home to 7.5 million people and a major source of exports for recession-struck Spain.

                            Spanish Prime Minister Mariano Rajoy's right-leaning government has already asked the Constitutional Court to strike down a Catalan parliamentary declaration in January 2013 asserting sovereignty. The court agreed in May to hear the case, meaning the declaration was suspended awaiting a ruling.

                            The leader of Spain's debt-ridden northeastern region of Catalonia all but conceded Thursday he will not hold a promised 2014 poll asserting the right to self-determination if Madrid maintains its fierce opposition.






                            *This clearly means the Catalan government does not intend to hold a referendum on independence, so Catalonia will stay with Spain.

                            At the most in 3 years time they may try and acquire the power to be able to hold an independence referendum. By that time the economy may have improved and support for independence may have decreased.
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                            • #15
                              Pashtuns and Balochis form 1000 km + chain for independance on the Durrand Line (okay, how long is the Durrand line if not 1000 km?)

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