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    Hezbollah leader Sayyed Hassan Nasrallah accused radical Sunni Islamists on Friday of being behind a car bomb that killed 24 people in Beirut and vowed that the attack would redouble his group’s commitment to its military campaign in Syria.

    In a fiery speech to supporters, one day after the deadliest bombing in the capital since Lebanon’s civil war ended two decades ago, Nasrallah raised the stakes by pledging to join the battle in Syria himself if needed.

    Thursday’s blast in the Shi’ite militant Hezbollah’s south Beirut stronghold followed months of sectarian tension and violence in Lebanon fuelled in part by Hezbollah’s intervention against Sunni Muslim rebels in Syria’s civil war.

    “It is most likely that a takfiri group was responsible for yesterday’s explosion,” Nasrallah said, referring to radical Sunni Muslim factions linked to al Qaeda, many of whom are fighting with Syrian rebels against President Bashar al-Assad.

    “If you think by killing our women and children ... and destroying our neighbourhoods, we would retreat from the position we took (in Syria) you are wrong,” he said in a combative speech broadcast by videolink from a secret location to his supporters.

    “If we had 100 fighters in Syria, now they will be 200. If we had 1,000, they will be 2,000. If we had 5,000 they will be 10,000. If the battle with these takfiri terrorists requires that I and all Hezbollah should go to Syria, we will go.”

    Thursday’s blast came a month after a car bomb wounded 50 people in the same district of the Lebanese capital – an attack that Nasrallah also blamed on takfiris, who consider all but the most radical Sunnis to be infidels whose blood can be spilt.

    Defence Minister Fayez Ghosn said a Syrian man had been arrested for suspected involvement in the July bombing, underlining the extent to which Lebanon has become embroiled in its neighbour’s conflict.

    Lebanese Hezbollah fighters helped Assad’s soldiers retake a strategic border town in June, while Sunni Muslims from Lebanon have joined the rebel ranks. The violence has spilled back into Lebanon, with bombings and street clashes in the Bekaa Valley and Mediterranean cities of Tripoli and Sidon.

    Possible suicide bombing
    Thursday’s explosion engulfed a busy street in flames, reviving memories of the destruction inflicted by Lebanon’s civil war.

    Interior Minister Marwan Charbel said investigators were checking CCTV footage taken in the moments before the explosion to see whether the van believed to have carried the bomb had been driven by a suicide bomber or detonated remotely.

    Reporters who arrived at the scene minut es after the explosion saw a burnt-out car near the centre of the road, suggesting it was being driven when it blew up.

    Among the dead were a family of five – a father, mother and their three daughters – who were killed in their car by the blast, which destroyed several vehicles and set fire to the lower floors of adjacent buildings, trapping residents.

    Forensic investigators, emergency workers and security forces were still working at the site on Friday, amid burnt-out cars and charred facades of residential buildings.

    Nearby, masked men fired in the air as the first funeral processions of victims of Thursday’s explosion drove slowly through the subdued streets of densely populated south Beirut.

    As the country marked a day of official mourning, social media was flooded with pictures of the victims, and requests for information about people still missing.

    Politicians from across Lebanon’s diverse communities, including Sunni Muslims, Christians and Druzes, united to condemn the bloodshed in the Shi’ite neighbourhood, some visiting the area to offer condolences.

    But in a sign of how the Syrian crisis has polarised Lebanon, there was celebratory gunfire in the mainly Sunni city of Tripoli on Thursday night and reports of people distributing sweets.

    In an effort to limit sectarian tensions, Nasrallah called on Shi’ites to show restraint and said that takfiri groups were a threat to Sunnis and Shi’ites alike.

    “These people kill Sunnis just as they kill the Shi’ites and they send suicide bombers to Sunni mosques just as they send them to Shi’ite mosques,” he said, referring to al Qaeda-linked groups in Iraq, Pakistan and Somalia.

    Speaking in an address to mark the seventh anniversary of the end of Hezbollah’s 2006 war with Israel, Nasrallah also said he could not exclude that those radical Islamists were actually working for Israeli interests.

    Originally posted by Firdousi
    Never talk with Afghans about politics. All their political knowledge is limited to conspiracy theories, political demonization and contradictions. No logic, no reason.

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    Hopefully this ****bag will offed in the process

    I am not Anti-Shi'a but Hezbushaitan has shown their true colors; may they be abased.
    [QUOTE=Afghanistan2010;658085][B]He is no different [COLOR="Red"]than us[/COLOR][/B],[B]he[COLOR="Red"] blindly believes [/COLOR]in the words [COLOR="Red"]of other men[/COLOR][/B],:[/QUOTE]

    2010 Admitting he's a blind believer not in God, but what other men says.

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    • #3
      I am very much anti-shia.
      Originally posted by Firdousi
      Never talk with Afghans about politics. All their political knowledge is limited to conspiracy theories, political demonization and contradictions. No logic, no reason.

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      • #4
        Well that's just bigotry then

        "let not hate for a people prevent you from doing justice"
        [QUOTE=Afghanistan2010;658085][B]He is no different [COLOR="Red"]than us[/COLOR][/B],[B]he[COLOR="Red"] blindly believes [/COLOR]in the words [COLOR="Red"]of other men[/COLOR][/B],:[/QUOTE]

        2010 Admitting he's a blind believer not in God, but what other men says.

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        • #5
          Originally posted by RevolutionThroughReason View Post
          Well that's just bigotry then

          "let not hate for a people prevent you from doing justice"
          Its not the people I hate. People can change just like many ex-Shias I happen to know. Some of them are actually the most staunch opponents of Shi'ism.

          It is Shia cult and their sick, perverted and anti-Islamic ideologies that I hate.
          Originally posted by Firdousi
          Never talk with Afghans about politics. All their political knowledge is limited to conspiracy theories, political demonization and contradictions. No logic, no reason.

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          • #6
            Then it is more appropriate to say you're Anti Shi'a 'aqidah or manhaj. Which is fair but we cannot takfir them even if their beliefs are absurd. We need to stop alienating people there are other ways to evoke change.

            unfortunately when people are taking direct action to kill people trying to liberate themselves; these HezbulKhara ****bags need to be put in the dirt.
            [QUOTE=Afghanistan2010;658085][B]He is no different [COLOR="Red"]than us[/COLOR][/B],[B]he[COLOR="Red"] blindly believes [/COLOR]in the words [COLOR="Red"]of other men[/COLOR][/B],:[/QUOTE]

            2010 Admitting he's a blind believer not in God, but what other men says.

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            • #7
              Generally takfeer is prohibited in Islam, but when a person says things such as: Quran is corrupted, aisha ra was an adulterer etc, then considering such a person a Muslim is by itself disbelief.
              Originally posted by Firdousi
              Never talk with Afghans about politics. All their political knowledge is limited to conspiracy theories, political demonization and contradictions. No logic, no reason.

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              • #8
                I just say that person is a moron; takfir is very severe as it means that a person doesn't deserve to live in that context. I withhold takfir in all cases, even the ones you mentioned. Only time takfir is appropriate is when one declares open enmity towards Muslims and seeks to cause physical harm. That's the only time I'm 100% sure of their intentions.
                [QUOTE=Afghanistan2010;658085][B]He is no different [COLOR="Red"]than us[/COLOR][/B],[B]he[COLOR="Red"] blindly believes [/COLOR]in the words [COLOR="Red"]of other men[/COLOR][/B],:[/QUOTE]

                2010 Admitting he's a blind believer not in God, but what other men says.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by RevolutionThroughReason View Post
                  I just say that person is a moron; takfir is very severe as it means that a person doesn't deserve to live in that context. I withhold takfir in all cases, even the ones you mentioned. Only time takfir is appropriate is when one declares open enmity towards Muslims and seeks to cause physical harm. That's the only time I'm 100% sure of their intentions.
                  takfeer does not necessarily mean a call for killing of people. It is up to the scholars and dawlah Islamiyyah to declare someone a kafir and apply punishments.

                  On individual level, if we see someone openly contradicting basic tenets of Islam then we are allowed to say that such a person is a Kafir, based on the rulings codified by jurists. For example, ibn Abideen as-Shami has fatwas suggesting that certain shiite sects are to be considered "Kafir asli". Likewise there are others who have similar kalam on this matter.
                  Originally posted by Firdousi
                  Never talk with Afghans about politics. All their political knowledge is limited to conspiracy theories, political demonization and contradictions. No logic, no reason.

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                  • #10
                    Not necessarily; but usually it does and once someone is takfir; ignorant people see that as a justification to torture, harass and murder them. This is why such a proclamation is very irresponsible and should be barred except in DIRE situations such as what is happening in Syria.

                    Furthermore we do not have a Dawlah Al-Islamiyyah and it would actually not be up to them. They would recommend it to the Amir of the Dawlah and the AMIR advocates this on certain individuals.

                    All this demonstrates what a severe proclamation it is. we should never toss that word around so lightly especially when it deals with groups of people who have women and children amongst them.
                    [QUOTE=Afghanistan2010;658085][B]He is no different [COLOR="Red"]than us[/COLOR][/B],[B]he[COLOR="Red"] blindly believes [/COLOR]in the words [COLOR="Red"]of other men[/COLOR][/B],:[/QUOTE]

                    2010 Admitting he's a blind believer not in God, but what other men says.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by RevolutionThroughReason View Post
                      Not necessarily; but usually it does and once someone is takfir; ignorant people see that as a justification to torture, harass and murder them. This is why such a proclamation is very irresponsible and should be barred except in DIRE situations such as what is happening in Syria.

                      Furthermore we do not have a Dawlah Al-Islamiyyah and it would actually not be up to them. They would recommend it to the Amir of the Dawlah and the AMIR advocates this on certain individuals.

                      All this demonstrates what a severe proclamation it is. we should never toss that word around so lightly especially when it deals with groups of people who have women and children amongst them.
                      Stupid common men do many stupid things. Are we supposed to change our religion because stupid people might do stupid things?
                      Originally posted by Firdousi
                      Never talk with Afghans about politics. All their political knowledge is limited to conspiracy theories, political demonization and contradictions. No logic, no reason.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Shamlawar Khurasani View Post
                        Stupid common men do many stupid things. Are we supposed to change our religion because stupid people might do stupid things?
                        No we're supposed to use our religion wisely

                        remember " Invite all to the way of our lord with WISDOM and elegant preaching; argue in the ways which are noble and respectful"

                        We don't change Islam; we use Islam the way it was supposed to be used; intelligently.

                        Consider the potential damage things can do before we throw around terms like this.
                        [QUOTE=Afghanistan2010;658085][B]He is no different [COLOR="Red"]than us[/COLOR][/B],[B]he[COLOR="Red"] blindly believes [/COLOR]in the words [COLOR="Red"]of other men[/COLOR][/B],:[/QUOTE]

                        2010 Admitting he's a blind believer not in God, but what other men says.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by RevolutionThroughReason View Post
                          No we're supposed to use our religion wisely

                          remember " Invite all to the way of our lord with WISDOM and elegant preaching; argue in the ways which are noble and respectful"

                          We don't change Islam; we use Islam the way it was supposed to be used; intelligently.

                          Consider the potential damage things can do before we throw around terms like this.
                          You are right. We should use hikmah. But irjaa is not hikmah.
                          Originally posted by Firdousi
                          Never talk with Afghans about politics. All their political knowledge is limited to conspiracy theories, political demonization and contradictions. No logic, no reason.

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                          • #14
                            Well it is not irjaa to avoid making statements which inspire people to commit atrocities and crimes under the guise of false piety; it's istislah.
                            [QUOTE=Afghanistan2010;658085][B]He is no different [COLOR="Red"]than us[/COLOR][/B],[B]he[COLOR="Red"] blindly believes [/COLOR]in the words [COLOR="Red"]of other men[/COLOR][/B],:[/QUOTE]

                            2010 Admitting he's a blind believer not in God, but what other men says.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by RevolutionThroughReason View Post
                              Hopefully this ****bag will offed in the process

                              I am not Anti-Shi'a but Hezbushaitan has shown their true colors; may they be abased.
                              If a car bomb by Sunni extremists kill innocent shias we do not condemn it but if the Shia declares his sides with his political ally we get angry! What a hypocrisy and what a paradox!

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