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    Saudis, Gulf emirates actively aided Egypt’s military coup, settling score for Mubarak ouster
    DEBKAfile Exclusive Report July 4, 2013, 10:33 AM (IDT)


    Egyptians celebrating military overthrow of Morsi government


    The lightening coup which Wednesday, July 3, overthrew President Mohamed Morsi put in reverse gear for the first time the Obama administration’s policy of sponsoring the Muslim Brotherhood movement as a moderate force for Arab rule and partner in its Middle East policies. debkafile reveals that the Egyptian military could not have managed their clockwork coup without the aid of Saudi and Dubai intelligence and funding.
    Saudi Arabia and the UAE threw their weight and purses behind Egypt’s generals aiming to put their first big spoke in the US-sponsored Arab Revolt (or Spring), after they failed to hold the tide back in Libya, Egypt and thus far Syria.
    To learn the name of the Egyptian politician designated to lead his country when the army bows out, read the coming issue of DEBKA Weekly due out Friday.
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    The coup leader, Defense Minister and army chief Gen. Abdel Fattah El-Sisi, had two more Saudi-Gulf commitments in his pocket, say debkafile's Middle East sources:
    1. Should the Obama administration cut off the annual US aid allocation of $1.3 billion, Saudi Arabia and the UAE would make up the military budget’s shortfall;
    2. The Saudis, UAE and other Gulf nations, such as Bahrain and Kuwait, would immediately start pumping out substantial funds to keep the Egyptian economy running. The Egyptian masses would be shown that in a properly managed economy, they could be guaranteed a minimal standard of living and need not go hungry as many did under Muslim Brotherhood rule.
    According to our sources, the Saudis and the UAE pledged to match the funds Qatar transferred to the Muslim Brotherhood’s coffers in Cairo in the past year, amounting to the vast sum of $13 billion.
    This explains President Barack Obama’s caution Thursday morning, July 4, in his expression of deep concern over the ousting of the Egyptian president and the suspension of its constitution. He urged the military to restore government to civilian hands - without accusing them outright of a coup d’etat - and to “avoid arresting President Mosi and his supporters.”
    The US president refrained from cutting off aid to Egypt, now under military rule, only ordering his administration “to assess what the military's actions meant for US foreign aid to Egypt.”
    Thursday morning, Washington ordered US diplomats and their families to leave Cairo at once, leaving just a skeleton staff at the embassy for emergencies. debkafile: This step is only one symptom of the broad gulf developing between the Obama administration and Egypt’s post-coup administration headed by Defense Minister and coup leader Gen. El-Sisi
    By means of the successful military putsch in Cairo, Saudi King Abdullah had his revenge for the toppling of his friend Hosni Mubarak in February 2011, for which he has never forgiven President Obama whom he held responsible.
    The Saudi-Gulf intervention in Egypt’s change of government also ushers in a new stage of the Arab Revolt for the Middle East. For the first time, a group of traditionally pro-US conservative Arab governments has struck out on its own to fill the leadership vacuum left by the Obama administration’s unwillingness to pursue direct initiatives in the savage Syrian civil war or forcibly preempt Iran’s drive for a nuclear bomb.
    The removal of Muslim Brotherhood rule in Egypt has far-reaching ramifications for Israel. In the immediate term, it gives Israel some security relief – especially, easing the dangers posed from Sinai to its southern regions. The radical Palestinian Hamas, the Muslim Brotherhood offshoot which rules the Gaza Strip, has suffered the most damaging political and military setback in its history with the loss of its parent and patron in Cairo.
    The big question facing Egypt’s still uncertain future is: Will Riyadh and the UAE follow through on their backing for Gen. Fattah El-Sisi, the most powerful man in Egypt today, and release the promised funds for rehabilitating the Egyptian economy?


    Saudis, Gulf emirates actively aided Egypt

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    I wonder what they want in return from Egypt, these people will never give money away without getting back something. Egypt would be a fool to trust Saudis

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    • #3
      these filthy leaders showing that they are only as good as their friends. qatar which is willing to jump on any popular ship in the arab world and saudi arabia flies a flag that they are almost mocking by their conduct since their birth as a state.
      There are people today who think that admitting God’s absolute greatness decreases the value and importance of humans in the creation, as if God and mankind are rivals competing in greatness and power. Meanwhile I feel that whenever our perception of God’s greatness increases, with it we become greater, because we are the creation of a great God.

      Sayyid Qutb

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      • #4
        the fall of Mursi destabilizes the region even further. What benefit do the Saudis and Qataris see in destabilizing their own backyard?
        Originally posted by Firdousi
        Never talk with Afghans about politics. All their political knowledge is limited to conspiracy theories, political demonization and contradictions. No logic, no reason.

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        • #5
          Originally posted by Shamlawar Khurasani View Post
          the fall of Mursi destabilizes the region even further. What benefit do the Saudis and Qataris see in destabilizing their own backyard?
          they see it as stabilization.

          mubarak and the army ruled egypt for decades and was relatively stable. the status quo was dangerous to tamper with. what i am wondering is why qatar was eager to embrace the ikhwan overthrow. these fat arab royalty ****bags have shown their true faces in the last couple of weeks.
          There are people today who think that admitting God’s absolute greatness decreases the value and importance of humans in the creation, as if God and mankind are rivals competing in greatness and power. Meanwhile I feel that whenever our perception of God’s greatness increases, with it we become greater, because we are the creation of a great God.

          Sayyid Qutb

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          • #6
            Originally posted by randolph85 View Post
            they see it as stabilization.

            mubarak and the army ruled egypt for decades and was relatively stable. the status quo was dangerous to tamper with. what i am wondering is why qatar was eager to embrace the ikhwan overthrow. these fat arab royalty ****bags have shown their true faces in the last couple of weeks.
            I don't think overthrowing Mursi, alienating millions of Ikhwanis and their sympathizers and a large agglomeration of Islamist parties in Egypt and the region is "stabilization" or "return to Mubarak era".


            Off-topic: is it so difficult for you to refrain from using profanity?
            Originally posted by Firdousi
            Never talk with Afghans about politics. All their political knowledge is limited to conspiracy theories, political demonization and contradictions. No logic, no reason.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by Shamlawar Khurasani View Post
              I don't think overthrowing Mursi, alienating millions of Ikhwanis and their sympathizers and a large agglomeration of Islamist parties in Egypt and the region is "stabilization" or "return to Mubarak era".


              Off-topic: is it so difficult for you to refrain from using profanity?
              in egypt, there were more wishing for the ikhwan downfall than against it, including the treasonous al nour salafi's who have shown their true face by siding with the atheists and army. saudi arabia always had a fine working relationship with the mubarak government, both were pieces of trash so it only made sense. i am only stunned by qatars 180 and their betrayal of the ikhwan and their embracing of the atheists.

              qatar and saudi arabia seemed to think the kafirs would outlast the muslims in egypt and have made their bets accordingly. side note, it was always funny to me that the taliban put their faith in qatar, the country that has been a base of operations for the war in afg.


              off topic: its not profanity when used against those less than human.
              There are people today who think that admitting God’s absolute greatness decreases the value and importance of humans in the creation, as if God and mankind are rivals competing in greatness and power. Meanwhile I feel that whenever our perception of God’s greatness increases, with it we become greater, because we are the creation of a great God.

              Sayyid Qutb

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              • #8
                You still didnt answer my question.
                Originally posted by Firdousi
                Never talk with Afghans about politics. All their political knowledge is limited to conspiracy theories, political demonization and contradictions. No logic, no reason.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Shamlawar Khurasani View Post
                  You still didnt answer my question.


                  yes, it is difficult for me to stop using profanity when describing the people who conspire against islam and who make it their duty to harm muslims.

                  question: answered.

                  i'll let Allah judge me on that one, before you go any further on this subject.
                  There are people today who think that admitting God’s absolute greatness decreases the value and importance of humans in the creation, as if God and mankind are rivals competing in greatness and power. Meanwhile I feel that whenever our perception of God’s greatness increases, with it we become greater, because we are the creation of a great God.

                  Sayyid Qutb

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                  • #10
                    the day al saud and the wahabi establishment falls, it will be the best thing for muslims in this era

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Shamlawar Khurasani View Post
                      the fall of Mursi destabilizes the region even further. What benefit do the Saudis and Qataris see in destabilizing their own backyard?
                      Those governments don't want populist Islamic parties to gain political power anywhere near them, not after openly working together with Americans and the West, and behind the scenes with Israel for decades. The continued success of Islamist groups in overthrowing entrenched military dictatorships will inspire their comrades in SA. In the long run Islamist nations can provide funding, training and cross-border sanctuaries for anti-House of Saud groups. This temporary destabilization of Egypt is desired by SA to restore a secular, pro Western, pro Saudi military government that will crush the Muslim Brotherhood. This will alienate many millions but it simply doesn't matter if they can control the government by force regardless of election results. From there the rebuilding of the security apparatus to find the leaders and core of the revolution and jail/terminate them, along with secular re-education and lifetime monitoring of sympathizers.
                      په پښتو ژبه ټایپ کول تاسو غواري؟ بيا داسې وکړي چې
                      دلته وهي

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by SiiNii View Post
                        Those governments don't want populist Islamic parties to gain political power anywhere near them, not after openly working together with Americans and the West, and behind the scenes with Israel for decades. The continued success of Islamist groups in overthrowing entrenched military dictatorships will inspire their comrades in SA. In the long run Islamist nations can provide funding, training and cross-border sanctuaries for anti-House of Saud groups. This temporary destabilization of Egypt is desired by SA to restore a secular, pro Western, pro Saudi military government that will crush the Muslim Brotherhood. This will alienate many millions but it simply doesn't matter if they can control the government by force regardless of election results. From there the rebuilding of the security apparatus to find the leaders and core of the revolution and jail/terminate them, along with secular re-education and lifetime monitoring of sympathizers.
                        Spot on SiiNii. I think your intelligence estimate is right on the mark. I also refer you to the thread below.

                        http://www.pashtunforums.com/world-n...s-morsi-38458/
                        "2 crackheads don't become any better or stronger by sharing the same crack pipe." - Greatest PF quote

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                        • #13
                          Siini, i agree with Barekzai. Your enswer makes allot of sense to me. However, there are a few other factors in this puzzle. Therefore i tend to be sceptical. The rise of ultra secularists in egypt is a threat of another kind. I dont think saudis and their likes fear mb more than they fear secularists. Both are potential threat for gulf states and saudi monarchy.
                          Originally posted by Firdousi
                          Never talk with Afghans about politics. All their political knowledge is limited to conspiracy theories, political demonization and contradictions. No logic, no reason.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Shamlawar Khurasani View Post
                            Siini, i agree with Barekzai. Your enswer makes allot of sense to me. However, there are a few other factors in this puzzle. Therefore i tend to be sceptical. The rise of ultra secularists in egypt is a threat of another kind. I dont think saudis and their likes fear mb more than they fear secularists. Both are potential threat for gulf states and saudi monarchy.
                            When you have the time I'd like to know why you feel that this is so. AFAIK, ultra secularists are not the types to be well armed, combat experienced, united under one banner, ready to die for the cause, etc

                            I also don't see ultra secular anybody going across the world to help their 'fellow non-believers' the way Christians, Muslims, Jews do - or even collecting funds on their behalf. You may bring up communism but I'd argue that communism was a modern day religion complete with idols, myths, extremely harsh punishments for non-believers (the Gulag) and death for heretics.

                            Do you live in the States?
                            په پښتو ژبه ټایپ کول تاسو غواري؟ بيا داسې وکړي چې
                            دلته وهي

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by SiiNii View Post
                              When you have the time I'd like to know why you feel that this is so. AFAIK, ultra secularists are not the types to be well armed, combat experienced, united under one banner, ready to die for the cause, etc

                              I also don't see ultra secular anybody going across the world to help their 'fellow non-believers' the way Christians, Muslims, Jews do - or even collecting funds on their behalf. You may bring up communism but I'd argue that communism was a modern day religion complete with idols, myths, extremely harsh punishments for non-believers (the Gulag) and death for heretics.

                              Do you live in the States?
                              This touched on a solid point, and may I add that opportunists have largely been supportive of foreign interventions to achieve their utopia.

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