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  • #46
    Originally posted by Tjanaparh View Post
    Because they are Chechens perhaps?
    They often resist, even when innocent. That is a kind of honour, police is not respected and seen as lowest caste back in north caucasus
    That explains their fathers comments but these two individuals grew up in the US and knew US justice was not the same as the one in the caucasus.

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    • #47
      Originally posted by Admin Khan View Post
      It's an assumption to claim 'no one' cares. Many care. I care about the deaths of innocent civilians in every part of the world. American media, will focus more on America, than it will on Canada, or Afghanistan. Afghan media will focus more on what happens in Kunar, than the robbery that occurred in the local bodega near the Charles river. With the aforementioned logic, it's easy to deduce that because Iraq, Afghanistan lack a strong media enterprise, they don't get enough global attention, which indirectly implies attention in your eyes.
      .
      no one really cares about the poor, Admin khana, whether those poor are afghans or Americans.
      Last edited by khushal; 04-20-2013, 07:21 PM.

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      • #48
        Originally posted by Tjanaparh View Post
        Because they are Chechens perhaps?
        They often resist, even when innocent. That is a kind of honour, police is not respected and seen as lowest caste back in north caucasus
        They grew up in the US, robbed a 7/11[for which the footage exists], killed an MIT police offer, shot at them right back. Do you think MIT is involved in the conspiracy as well, in which they wanted to plot against the Chechens? Who, in fact, were armed to their teeth and made the campus a blood bath? If you are wanted, and are innocent, you turn yourself in. You don't:

        A)Visit MIT, hoping you can blend in and hide.
        B)Rob a car, and when MIT police offer is responding to the disturbances, shoot him dead.
        C)Carjack a Benz, and when the police ask you to pull over, you pull out your rifles and start shooting back.
        Even Adobe Photoshop can't change me.

        A line[Durrand line] of hatred that raised a wall between the two brothers -Hamid Karzai

        For generations, the Hindus of India prayed for deliverance from "the venom of the cobra, the teeth of the tiger and the vengeance of the Afghan."


        The men of Kábul and Khilj also went home; and whenever they were questioned about the Musulmáns of the Kohistán (the mountains), and how matters stood there, they said, "Don't call it Kohistán, but Afghánistán; for there is nothing there but Afgháns and disturbances." Thus it is clear that for this reason the people of the country call their home in their own language Afghánistán, and themselves Afgháns. The people of India call them Patán; but the reason for this is not known. But it occurs to me, that when, under the rule of Muhammadan sovereigns, Musulmáns first came to the city of Patná, and dwelt there, the people of India (for that reason) called them Patáns—but God knows!

        -Ferishta, 1560–1620

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        • #49
          I hope Admin will now stop preaching about how great Boston is for living because in pretty sure this event proved its NOT.
          "Revenge is a dish best served cold".

          -Old Pashtun proverb




          "My Pashtun Pride i will not hide!"

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          • #50
            Originally posted by Kushan Prince View Post
            I hope Admin will now stop preaching about how great Boston is for living because in pretty sure this event proved its NOT.
            Bostonians are probably the best Americans you will ever meet.

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            • #51
              No. I am nt in any concpiracy thories, also things seem strange when you read them. I only say, back in south russia such things happen daily due to proudness of people. It is difficult to explain, you should see that.
              I don't know what reasons these guys have had and why this happened, and really don't want to make theories or say they are inocent...
              But i told it to explain that if they were innocent in explosions still they could do such actions.
              I thought these guy were immigrants not completely grown in the USA..?!
              Ա՜խ, ընկել եմ քար ու քարափ,
              Իմ սրբություն, ե՛տ արի, ե՛տ,

              Ես ծովակ եմ առանց կարապ,
              Իմ էություն, ե՛տ արի, ե՛տ:

              Ես անտառ եմ առանց եղնիկ
              Իմ վեհություն, ե՛տ արի, ե՛տ:

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              • #52
                Originally posted by Admin Khan View Post
                It's an assumption to claim 'no one' cares. Many care. I care about the deaths of innocent civilians in every part of the world. American media, will focus more on America, than it will on Canada, or Afghanistan. Afghan media will focus more on what happens in Kunar, than the robbery that occurred in the local bodega near the Charles river. With the aforementioned logic, it's easy to deduce that because Iraq, Afghanistan lack a strong media enterprise, they don't get enough global attention, which indirectly implies attention in your eyes.
                Well if America is the one doing it, don't you think that it should concern the American media and public? I just don't understand why the public here is comfortable killing other civilians if they don't like it when other people do the same thing to them? Killng people that have caused no one any harm is *wrong* all the time but unfortunately, America has been doing that for over a decade. Think about the things the so-called Kill Team had done. Or the Shindand massacre, the Kandahar shootings, the Balkh rapes, urinating on dead bodies, or Abu Ghraib. And those things are only the tip of the iceberg.

                Innocent civilians are dying, not military chessmen or general. The lives of innocent civilians, regardless of gender, creed, or race should be unequivocally condemned. Muslim were wounded in that blast, running in MIT's campus with guns does not achieve any goals. Killing 8 year old children does not achieve anything either, if anything, it makes naive folks wonder if there is an indirect, or dare the singletons claim, direct relationship between a Muslim and bomb blasts. Whether it is Kabul, Islamabad, or Boston, the deaths of innocent civilians should be condemned.
                I know that, Admin Khan. We all know that, but you can't deny that there are double standards going on here. America kills innocent people with drone attacks and air raids every single day and I don't see the same strong condemnation against that, not even from Afghans. I'm not talking about you specifically, but just in general.
                Last edited by Joey_Gladstonezai; 04-20-2013, 05:51 PM.
                "Do not waste water even if you were at a running stream."-Prophet Muhammad (SAW)

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                • #53
                  Originally posted by khushal View Post
                  That explains their fathers comments but these two individuals grew up in the US and knew US justice was not the same as the one in the caucasus.

                  Sure, I really don't try to justyfy them, but i know enough people who being innocent would do exactly the same and some are armed quiet good.
                  Older people aren't that way, but young generation is quiet hot headed and selfproud on this issues.
                  Ա՜խ, ընկել եմ քար ու քարափ,
                  Իմ սրբություն, ե՛տ արի, ե՛տ,

                  Ես ծովակ եմ առանց կարապ,
                  Իմ էություն, ե՛տ արի, ե՛տ:

                  Ես անտառ եմ առանց եղնիկ
                  Իմ վեհություն, ե՛տ արի, ե՛տ:

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                  • #54
                    Originally posted by Kushan Prince View Post
                    I hope Admin will now stop preaching about how great Boston is for living because in pretty sure this event proved its NOT.
                    Even Adobe Photoshop can't change me.

                    A line[Durrand line] of hatred that raised a wall between the two brothers -Hamid Karzai

                    For generations, the Hindus of India prayed for deliverance from "the venom of the cobra, the teeth of the tiger and the vengeance of the Afghan."


                    The men of Kábul and Khilj also went home; and whenever they were questioned about the Musulmáns of the Kohistán (the mountains), and how matters stood there, they said, "Don't call it Kohistán, but Afghánistán; for there is nothing there but Afgháns and disturbances." Thus it is clear that for this reason the people of the country call their home in their own language Afghánistán, and themselves Afgháns. The people of India call them Patán; but the reason for this is not known. But it occurs to me, that when, under the rule of Muhammadan sovereigns, Musulmáns first came to the city of Patná, and dwelt there, the people of India (for that reason) called them Patáns—but God knows!

                    -Ferishta, 1560–1620

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                    • #55
                      Originally posted by Tjanaparh View Post
                      No. I am nt in any concpiracy thories, also things seem strange when you read them. I only say, back in south russia such things happen daily due to proudness of people. It is difficult to explain, you should see that.
                      I don't know what reasons these guys have had and why this happened, and really don't want to make theories or say they are inocent...
                      But i told it to explain that if they were innocent in explosions still they could do such actions.
                      I thought these guy were immigrants not completely grown in the USA..?!
                      They said the immigrated in 2002 so the younger brother was 8 and the older one was 15 but the main point is they knew that US justice is different from the caucasus so if they were innocent, they should defend themselves in court.

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                      • #56
                        Originally posted by Joey_Gladstonezai View Post
                        Well if AMERICA is the one doing it, don't you think that it should concern the American media and public? I just don't understand why the general public is comfortable randomly killing others if they don't like it when other people do the same thing to them and randomly kill them? Killing people that have caused no one any harm is *wrong* all the time but unfortunately, America has been doing that for over a decade.
                        I know that, Admin Khan. We all know that, but you can't deny that there are double standards going on here. America kills innocent people with drone attacks and air raids every single day and I don't see the same strong condemnation against that, not even from Afghans. I'm not talking about you specifically, but just in general.
                        The drones kill the poor, no one cares about the poor.

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                        • #57
                          Originally posted by khushal View Post
                          They said the immigrated in 2002 so the younger brother was 8 and the older one was 15 but the main point is they knew that US justice is different from the caucasus so if they were innocent, they should defend themselves in court.
                          Ok, the younger one is quiet young, while a 15 years old is already considered almost adult back home. What is concerning justice, even in caucasus this can work, that they can show innocence in court. But there is generally low rspect towards justice. Even when police can help, people prefer to solve things themselves. this brings often the problem that a small dispute among to children may cause a conflict of adults with arms sometimes.
                          Ա՜խ, ընկել եմ քար ու քարափ,
                          Իմ սրբություն, ե՛տ արի, ե՛տ,

                          Ես ծովակ եմ առանց կարապ,
                          Իմ էություն, ե՛տ արի, ե՛տ:

                          Ես անտառ եմ առանց եղնիկ
                          Իմ վեհություն, ե՛տ արի, ե՛տ:

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                          • #58
                            Admin, you know I'm right. Seriously, I know this doesn't happen everyday in America and people had no idea this would happen and in what state, but lets be honest here, now regular americans won't consider moving to Boston because of this incident just because if fear. Would you feel safe visiting Boston again not fearing the city will be on lock down again.
                            "Revenge is a dish best served cold".

                            -Old Pashtun proverb




                            "My Pashtun Pride i will not hide!"

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                            • #59
                              Originally posted by Tjanaparh View Post
                              Ok, the younger one is quiet young, while a 15 years old is already considered almost adult back home. What is concerning justice, even in caucasus this can work, that they can show innocence in court. But there is generally low rspect towards justice. Even when police can help, people prefer to solve things themselves. this brings often the problem that a small dispute among to children may cause a conflict of adults with arms sometimes.
                              there is a possibilty that these young kids been pushed in to this terrible act. there closed ones might have been threaten by the terrorists?? but they were from kirgyzistan. its hard to understand their actions, From their vk.ru account they seem pretty cool and secular, did not show their affiliation with any faith.

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                              • #60
                                Originally posted by Tjanaparh View Post
                                Ok, the younger one is quiet young, while a 15 years old is already considered almost adult back home. What is concerning justice, even in caucasus this can work, that they can show innocence in court. But there is generally low rspect towards justice. Even when police can help, people prefer to solve things themselves. this brings often the problem that a small dispute among to children may cause a conflict of adults with arms sometimes.
                                but their action here was against innocent people and if they were innocent then they can defend themselves peacefully.

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