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    The REAL reason the U.S. failed in Afghanistan

    Posted By Stephen M. WaltFriday, March 15, 2013 - 4:12 PM Share

    http://walt.foreignpolicy.com/posts/...in_afghanistan




    Why did the U.S. fail in Afghanistan? (I know we are pretending to have succeeded, but that's just camouflage to disguise what is in fact an embarrassing if predictable defeat). The reasons for our failure are now being debated by people like Vali Nasr and Sarah Chayes, who have offered contrasting insider accounts of what went wrong.
    Both Nasr and Chayes make useful points about the dysfunction that undermined the AfPak effort, and I'm not going to try to adjudicate between them. Rather, I think both of them miss the more fundamental contradiction that bedeviled the entire U.S./NATO effort, especially after the diversion to Iraq allowed the Taliban to re-emerge. The key problem was essentially structural: US. objectives in Afghanistan could not be achieved without a much larger commitment of resources, but the stakes there simply weren't worth that level of commitment. In other words, winning wasn't worth the effort it would have taken, and the real failure was not to recognize that fact much earlier and to draw the appropriate policy conclusions.
    First, achieving a meaningful victory in Afghanistan -- defined as defeating the Taliban and creating an effective, Western-style government in Kabul -- would have required sending far more troops (i.e., even more than the Army requested during the "surge"). Troop levels in Afghanistan never approached the ratio of troops/population observed in more successful instances of nation-building, and that deficiency was compounded by Afghanistan's ethnic divisions, mountainous terrain, geographic isolation, poor infrastructure, and porous borders.
    Second, victory was elusive because Pakistan continued to support the Taliban, and its territory provided them with effective sanctuaries. When pressed, they could always slip across the border and live to fight another day. But Washington was never willing to go the mattresses and force Pakistan to halt its support, and it is not even clear that we could have done that without going to war with Pakistan itself. Washington backed off for very good reasons: We wanted tacit Pakistani cooperation in our not-so-secret drone and special forces campaign against al Qaeda, and we also worried about regime stability given Pakistan's nuclear arsenal. Unfortunately, these factors made victory even harder to achieve.
    Third, we couldn't get Karzai to reform because he was the only game in town, and he knew it. Unless the U.S. and NATO were willing to take over the whole country and try to govern it ourselves -- a task that would have made occupying Iraq seem easy -- we were forced to work with him despite his many flaws. Successful counterinsurgencies require effective and legitimate local partners, however, and we never had one.
    In short, the U.S. was destined to lose because it didn't go all-out to win, and it shouldn't have. Indeed, an all-out effort would have been a huge mistake, because the stakes were in fact rather modest. Once the Taliban had been ousted and al Qaeda had been scattered, America's main interest was continuing to degrade al Qaeda (as we have done). That mission was distinct from the attempt to nation-build in Afghanistan, and in the end Afghanistan's importance did not justify a substantially larger effort.
    By the way, I am not suggesting that individual commanders and soldiers did not make enormous personal sacrifices or try hard to win, or that the civilians assigned to the Afghan campaign did not do their best in difficult conditions. My point is that if this war had been a real strategic priority, we would have fought it very differently. We would not have rotated commanders, soldiers, and civilian personnel in and out of the theatre as often as we did, in effect destroying institutional memory on an annual basis and forcing everyone to learn on the job. In a war where vital interests were at stake, we certainly wouldn't have let some of our NATO partners exempt the troops they sent from combat. And if the war had been seen aa a major priority, both parties would have been willing to raise taxes to pay for it.
    Thus, the real failure in Afghanistan was much broader than the internal squabbles that Nasr and Chayes have addressed. The entire national security establishment failed to recognize or acknowledge the fundamental mismatch between 1) U.S. interests (which were limited), 2) our stated goals (which were quite ambitious), and 3) the vast resources and patience it would have required to achieve those goals. Winning would have required us to spend much more than winning was worth, and to undertake exceedingly risky and uncertain actions towards countries like Pakistan. U.S. leaders wisely chose not to do these things, but they failed to realize what this meant for the war effort itself.
    Given this mismatch between interests, goals, and resources, it was stupid to keep trying to win at a level of effort that was never going to succeed. Yet no one on the inside seems to have pointed this out, or if they did, their advice was not heeded. And that is the real reason why the war limped on for so long and to such an unsatisfying end.
    Last edited by Joey_Gladstonezai; 03-16-2013, 03:15 PM.
    "Do not waste water even if you were at a running stream."-Prophet Muhammad (SAW)

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    Britain admits failure in Afghanistan war

    Britain admits failure in Afghanistan war

    Fri Mar 15, 2013 11:35PM GMT

    Hassan Alkatib, Press TV, London

    Watch Video : PressTV - Britain admits failure in Afghanistan war


    The British Ministry of Defense has admitted in a report that the war in Afghanistan has been a failure. It drew parallels with the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan during the 1980s, and said the British role in imposing its ideology on the Afghan people had not been successful.


    The British Ministry of Defense has recently published a damning report revealing how the UK’s war on Afghanistan is unwinnable. The internal study obtained through the Freedom of Information Act admits that Britain’s role in Afghanistan was to impose an ideology to the Afghan people. Anti-war campaigners and experts were correct in predicting that the war has a hidden agenda behind it: Western physical and psychological dominance in the Middle East.


    Chris Coverdale is a lawyer and anti-war activist. He knew early on how the so called mission in Afghanistan was a failure from the very beginning.

    The MoD report draws conclusions and parallels with the Soviet Union’s invasion of Afghanistan in the 1980s. The Defence Ministry admits the failures of the Russian mission had very similar results to that of the mission spearheaded by Western powers. The report says: “Both interventions have been portrayed as foreign invasions attempting to support a corrupt and unpopular central government against a local insurgent movement which hassupport, and safe havens abroad.”

    Anti-war campaigners believe that although the government has admitted failure, it should be held to account for the various crimes it has committed in Afghanistan.
    Last edited by Joey_Gladstonezai; 03-16-2013, 03:05 PM.
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    • #3
      Nato troops in Afghanistan 'in a similar situation to failed Soviet invasion'

      http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worl...-invasion.html


      Nato troops in Afghanistan find themselves in a similar situation to the failed Soviet invasion and are also waging a campaign which is "unwinnable in military terms", according to a provocative Ministry of Defence analysis.



      Afghan government troops, left, ride past Soviet vehicles on the road in Kabul province in 1988 Photo: Reuters


      By Ben Farmer, Kabul

      4:38PM GMT 15 Mar 2013


      Both the Nato campaign and the 1979 invasion were initially attempts to impose "ideology foreign to the Afghan people", whose aims were quickly dropped when they ran into difficulty.

      Nato, like the Soviets, has been unable to "establish control over the country's borders and the insurgents' safe havens", or "protect the rural population", according to the paper written by retired officers for an internal MOD think tank.

      "The [Soviet] 40th Army was unable to decisively defeat the Mujahideen while facing no existential threat itself, a situation that precisely echoes [the Nato coalition's] predicament".

      As combat troops leave Afghanistan by the end of 2014, the country will again be left "with a severely damaged and very weak economic base", reliant for years on vast sums of international aid.

      The paper, Lessons From the Soviet Transition in Afghanistan, was prepared for the MOD's Development, Concepts and Doctrine Centre (DCDC), to provoke internal debate and challenge current military thinking.

      The MOD last night said it did not represent the government's position, or "any belief within the MOD that the Nato campaign is 'unwinnable'." But its conclusion that there are "an extraordinary number" of parallels with the doomed Russian intervention will make uneasy reading for politicians. The campaign has cost nearly 450 British lives and billions of pounds.
      World opinion had judged both "as failed interventions" and both Nato and the Soviets had faced "increasing domestic and financial pressure to abandon the enterprise", the paper said.

      The eventual success of the Nato withdrawal from Afghanistan "is likely to be judged on the same criteria as those used objectively to judge the Soviet transition", including "the longevity and effectiveness of the incumbent central government".

      A spokesman for the MOD said that "in contrast to the Soviet experience, the international community has committed to long-term support for Afghans as they shape their country over the coming years".
      "We are in Afghanistan to protect the UK's national security by helping Afghans to take control of their own. We are not, and never have been, trying to build a perfect Afghanistan – rather one that does not again provide safe haven for international terrorists. We have also always been clear that the situation in Afghanistan will not be solved by military means alone."
      Last edited by Joey_Gladstonezai; 03-16-2013, 03:14 PM.
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      • #4
        Afghanistan under ANA should be the top and may be the only priority.
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        • #5
          The reason America is failing in america is because they should know the kind of predicament they are in. If they actually stayed awake in history class, they should know that Afghanistan is an area where nations go to die, hence the graveyard of empires quote. If the soviets lost with high tech artillery than what makes them think they can succeed? Apparently the notion of them being the "best military in the world" has gone to their head. Unfortunately for them, history repeats itself.

          And to their knowledge that this quote comes easy.
          Last edited by Kushan Prince; 03-24-2013, 11:49 PM.
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          • #6
            ^^The neocon policy makers actually think that the afghan succeeded agaisnt the soviets is because the US aided them.

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