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    Reports: US keeps drone base in Saudi Arabia

    New York Times reveals existence of facility used for operations in Yemen, including raid that killed Anwar al-Awlaki.

    The CIA conducts lethal drone attacks against targets in Yemen from a base inside Saudi Arabia, according to the New York Times newspaper, including the attack that killed American-born Anwar al-Awlaki.
    The existence of the base has been reported before, but its exact location has been withheld by various news outlets at the request of the Obama administration.
    The base was first used in 2011, the Times reported, to launch the drone strike that killed Awlaki, a key ideologue in Al-Qaeda in the Arabian Peninsula (AQAP).
    Any operation by US military or intelligence officials inside Saudi Arabia is politically and religiously sensitive. AQAP and other groups have used the kingdom's close relationship with the US to recruit new members, and to stir internal dissent against the Saudi government.
    Disclosure of the base's location comes at a time of heightened scrutiny of US drone operations in Pakistan, Yemen, Somalia and elsewhere.
    Brennan's role
    John Brennan, the president's top counterterrorism adviser and a prominent architect of the drone programme, will appear before Congress on Thursday for confirmation hearings. Obama has nominated Brennan to head the Central Intelligence Agency.
    He will undoubtedly face questions about a leaked Justice Department memo, first reported by NBC News, which authorises the president to kill American citizens who are "senior leaders" of militant groups, even if they have not been directly involved in attacks against the US.
    The White House defended the memo earlier this week.
    "We conduct those strikes because they are necessary to mitigate ongoing actual threats, to stop plots, to prevent future attacks and, again, save American lives," Jay Carney, White House spokesman, said.
    "These strikes are legal, they are ethical, and they are wise."
    'Judicial precedent'
    Among the most controversial of the attacks were the September 2011 killings in Yemen of Awlaki and Samir Khan, another alleged AQAP member. Both were US citizens who had never been charged with a crime.
    "I would point you to the ample judicial precedent for the idea that someone who takes up arms against the United States in a war against the United States is an enemy and therefore could be targeted accordingly," Carney said.
    The American Civil Liberties Union (ACLU) called the document is "profoundly disturbing."
    "According to the white paper, the government has the authority to carry out targeted killings of US citizens without presenting evidence to a judge before the fact or after, and indeed without even acknowledging to the courts or to the public that the authority has been exercised," Jameel Jaffer, ACLU's deputy legal director, wrote on the organisation's website.
    "Without saying so explicitly, the government claims the authority to kill American terrorism suspects in secret."
    NBC said the leaked memo was given to the Senate intelligence and judiciary committees in June, on the condition that it be kept confidential and not discussed publicly.

    http://www.aljazeera.com/news/middle...922846950.html
    دلته دم او قدم دواړه په حساب دي - پل په لاره غلط مه ږده بې حسابه

  • #2
    i thought this would be common knowledge by now as the US has had bases in saudi arabia for decades.
    There are people today who think that admitting God’s absolute greatness decreases the value and importance of humans in the creation, as if God and mankind are rivals competing in greatness and power. Meanwhile I feel that whenever our perception of God’s greatness increases, with it we become greater, because we are the creation of a great God.

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    • #3
      Right, this is rather commonly known. But it surprised me to what extent US want to control media and freedom of speech.
      دلته دم او قدم دواړه په حساب دي - پل په لاره غلط مه ږده بې حسابه

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      • #4
        Originally posted by یاسمینه View Post
        Right, this is rather commonly known. But it surprised me to what extent US want to control media and freedom of speech.
        Yasmeenah,

        After Vietnam, the military industrial complex that Eisenhower was a part of and warned about did an about face and thought things through when it sustained its loss. It reflected on its major failure and realized a few important lessons:

        1) Control the flow of information as a major part of any war effort is to information access and distribution and how one's own populace and an adversaries population utilizes said information. They had a major issue dealing with Sy Hersh and John Lennon and all of these upstarts that propelled the antiwar movement to the fore. Kent State's Massacre made it even worse as it reflected a more informed populace that was ready, willing, and able to resist what it viewed as a war of choice.

        Notice how much the interventionists and warmongers hate PBS and Bill Moyers. One reason for this is that such organizations and personell are not apart of the massive military industrial complex.

        The medias currently are not full or Sy Hersh style reporters... quiet the contrary, its career goals oriented reporters who are sycophants (Lara Logan and Anderson Cooper come to mind) that want to make the bucks and get TV face time.

        Take a look at what they did to Helen Thomas, the veteran reporter with the guts to ask the right questions... first they moved her to the back of the room and then they got her fired after decades of excellent and pointed reporting.

        Recently, it was revealed that Al Jazeera bought up some local stations and the major networks colluded to not allow those stations access.

        This is to ensure the populace gets information through their filter as many basically decent human beings here would emulate their forefathers and stand against this atrocity.

        2)
        Get rid of the draft and incentivize an all volunteer army. This is a major cushion that hides the war and keeps it out of the front pages since its not upper middle class kids dying anymore. If you are a doctor that has worked in a VA you can see the problem first hand, but otherwise the overwhelming part of the population is sheltered from the war effort.

        I still recall this episode of the wonder years from my youth... it poignantly illustrates how the Vietnemese war and the draft made it impossible for the public to be spoonfed false news and be insulated from the war.

        John Corbett The Wonder Years Louis and Karen Vietnam - YouTube[/URL]

        So in summary, the MIC (military industrial complex) has done a fabulous job controlling information flow and exposure to allow it to initiate, fight, and sustain wars of choice on its own terms.
        Last edited by BarakzaiAbdali; 02-09-2013, 12:03 AM.
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        • #5
          BA, thank you for your comment.
          Probably you know that I don't live in America, that even 20 years ago we had little information about what was in America. Now, when everything is within the internet, I am not able to read all this because of the lack of time. I can't make up for the lost time unless I will focus on America only. It is you who live live in America and that's why you will always know more than me. So don't be surprised that I am surprised, because what is obvious to you, it doesn't have to be obvious for me.
          On the other hand I read a lot about how US government can control media (expecially in the context of CIA operations like Artichoke, Frank Olson case or other programs of mind control etc) and I shouldn't be surprised. But when I read this kind of articles, I am still surprised that such things are possible.
          دلته دم او قدم دواړه په حساب دي - پل په لاره غلط مه ږده بې حسابه

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          • #6
            Not surprising at all.
            Even Adobe Photoshop can't change me.

            A line[Durrand line] of hatred that raised a wall between the two brothers -Hamid Karzai

            For generations, the Hindus of India prayed for deliverance from "the venom of the cobra, the teeth of the tiger and the vengeance of the Afghan."


            The men of Kábul and Khilj also went home; and whenever they were questioned about the Musulmáns of the Kohistán (the mountains), and how matters stood there, they said, "Don't call it Kohistán, but Afghánistán; for there is nothing there but Afgháns and disturbances." Thus it is clear that for this reason the people of the country call their home in their own language Afghánistán, and themselves Afgháns. The people of India call them Patán; but the reason for this is not known. But it occurs to me, that when, under the rule of Muhammadan sovereigns, Musulmáns first came to the city of Patná, and dwelt there, the people of India (for that reason) called them Patáns—but God knows!

            -Ferishta, 1560–1620

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            • #7
              One's point of view depends on the point where one sits.
              دلته دم او قدم دواړه په حساب دي - پل په لاره غلط مه ږده بې حسابه

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              • #8
                Originally posted by یاسمینه View Post
                BA, thank you for your comment.
                Probably you know that I don't live in America, that even 20 years ago we had little information about what was in America. Now, when everything is within the internet, I am not able to read all this because of the lack of time. I can't make up for the lost time unless I will focus on America only. It is you who live live in America and that's why you will always know more than me. So don't be surprised that I am surprised, because what is obvious to you, it doesn't have to be obvious for me.
                On the other hand I read a lot about how US government can control media (expecially in the context of CIA operations like Artichoke, Frank Olson case or other programs of mind control etc) and I shouldn't be surprised. But when I read this kind of articles, I am still surprised that such things are possible.

                Oh, my goal was to add to the discussion and not to indicate surprise at you not knowing. It was to also add the human angle and show that the citizenry and the leadership do not necessarily run hand in hand or in tandem on these odd principles.
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