10000 killed in US each year due to gun violence

[Toramana]

(CNN) -- The proliferation of semiautomatic weapons in the hands of Americans of the types that were used in the Newtown massacre is sometimes framed as a public health issue in the United States.
There is considerable merit to the notion of treating gun violence as a public health matter. After all, homicides -- around 70% of which are accomplished with firearms in the United States according to an authoritative study by the United Nations -- are the 15th leading cause of death for Americans.

That tolerant pluralism was on display Sunday night at the interfaith memorial service for the 27 victims in Newtown, which featured priests from several Christian denominations, clerics of the Muslim and Baha'i faiths as well as a rabbi, a memorial that was led by the country's first African American president. But there is another side to American exceptionalism that many Americans seem strangely unable to recognize: Americans kill each other with guns at rates that are unheard of in other advanced industrialized countries. Britain, with around a fifth of the population of the United States, had 41 gun murders in 2010 while the States had around 10,000.
The scale of this death toll really resembles a national security problem as much it does a public health issue.
Consider that jihadist terrorists have only been able to kill 17 Americans in the United States since 9/11. Meanwhile, some 88,000 Americans died in gun violence from 2003 and 2010, according to the U.N. study.

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http://edition.cnn.com/2012/12/18/opinion/bergen-guns-national-security/index.html?iid=article_sidebar

[Breshna]

That is a high number in U.S.A. In U.K its 39 murders by gun in a year.

[khushal]

The assurance of freedom and the prevention of tyranny trumps all that. People should not be afraid of its government or depend on it for its guarantee of freedom or protection. The best society is the one where the governmnet is afraid of its people because only that will prevent tyranny.

[DaZahroJaam.]

warning warning.
khushhal has guns and is planing on overthrowing the american government anytime now. unless he is happy with the american government which i highly doubt.
the afghan government is so perfect since not only the government but everyone in society too is afraid of it's self.
if the afghan society of the current time in afghanistan is your definition of the best society then you don't deserve to live.

[کیش]

Gun control will only take guns away from law abiding citizens. people right here in NY roam around with loaded pistols and auto's. And they will still have them after gun control. 3.5 years for a weapons possession, and people still carry guns.

[Admin Khan]

Gun control is not the problem. Norway has one of the strictest gun laws in the world -- yet we saw what happened. When your stupid ratio is constantly rising, people will even use their car keys to kill one another. Use your brain people.

[khushal]

warning warning.
khushhal has guns and is planing on overthrowing the american government anytime now. unless he is happy with the american government which i highly doubt.
the afghan government is so perfect since not only the government but everyone in society too is afraid of it's self.
if the afghan society of the current time in afghanistan is your definition of the best society then you don't deserve to live.

Jefferson theory was that as long as government is afraid of its people, the governmnet will ensure freedom to them. Once the government lacks that fear, than the danger of an iron fist on its people is possible.

I was watching an old documentary of WW2 german generals that had surrendered and they were asked if there were ideas in the german war plan to invade the US, the german generals said "not in our wildest thought we were ever going to explore that," when asked why, he replied, "because all those people are armed."

It reminded me of Pakistani's generals reluctance to go in the tribal areas.

[asad71]

Wasgington DC is the most violent city in the world. It leads the cities of the world in killings/murder.

[Toramana]

Khushal shows all the pathology OF someone who belongs to the Taleban world socially and mentally ---

[DaZahroJaam.]

I don't believe in freedom that needs to be ensured in a peaceful society by the power of a gun. That too, in the hands of random citizens. It does not make any sense. How do you expect people to behave and follow rules when they have guns to kill you, should those rules not be according to their will??
We of all the people should know that. Actually, those of us who have not depended on guns to get our point across, do understand that. It's the rest of you who are used to getting things done by the power of guns that find yourselves terrified by the idea of having to live in a society where people judge you by your ideas rather than the amount of guns or other lethal weapons you carry. You are terrified and you should be terrified.

[DaZahroJaam.]

if a random citizen's idea of what is best for the rest of society as accurate or decent as it should have been, there wouldn't be a need for a government. That is a very unrealistic idea for a state to be in and we afghans are so so far away from achieving a system as such. For us to achieve order and peace, we need as many rules and restrictions as possible.

[Toramana]

if a random citizen's idea of what is best for the rest of society as accurate or decent as it should have been, there wouldn't be a need for a government. That is a very unrealistic idea for a state to be in and we afghans are so so far away from achieving a system as such. For us to achieve order and peace, we need as many rules and restrictions as possible.

Deep thoughts, DZJ. Appreciation for that.

[RevolutionThroughReason]

the law of equilibrium optimization is what will cure the issue you speak of DZJ, when many people have access to weapons society will naturally mediate itself because everyone knows that while they have weapons the opportunity cost of attacking another person , who also has a weapon will mitigate the response to attack others and people will use conflict resolution methods better than what we have now where weapons are in the hands of a few

When few people have weapons and the majority are helpless; this is a police state, no matter how much leniency they have. The fact THEY control and regulate your lives and that is out of your power, then you're under their mercy. This returns the choices in the hands of the peiople and in this case would create genuine peace since state systems always create disparities by creating a cartel of power in the favor of a few.

[RevolutionThroughReason]

Deep thoughts, DZJ. Appreciation for that.

deep thoughts that are poorly thought out; she should study stochastic models and investigate the Law of Equilbrium (Khushal you're not allowed to use this concept because I know you'll misuse this for everything now).

[DaZahroJaam.]

perhaps studying at university till the age of 45 would give me a better understanding of the matter. Meh, I will pass.