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[RevolutionThroughReason]

hahahahah

you are the one who doesnt know who his father is ,might well be this hindu guy or a camel.

maybe both.

haha only in Islamabad do they think humans can breed with camels. ....See I was right ...your mom was a prostiute for Punjabis.

[khushal]

Untrue ....that's all I could get from the preview available; If I had the books I'd copy them, but regardless I showed where I got the evidence, so that is sufficient.

But the quote mining would only be true if I was deliberately leaving out the other parts of the quotes.

not really, Just because he says it does not make it true. He has to back up what he says with evidence and you cant supply that. If this is the only source you could find with only bits and pieces, its really a waste of time to even talk about it.

[khushal]

Ok that's a fair criticism; but I presented sources, so this is sufficient for now. I didn't just pull them out of the air.

So if you have access to the original source itself, which I don't sadly, please post the full page, a scanned copy would suffice.. However I think this is legitimate and that they do use primary sources because ALL secondary sources seem to be saying the same things.

WE dont know that they use primary sources and what secondary source are you talking about?

[khushal]

See you're interpolating, where does it indicate it's from a Maratha newsletter? They didn't have "newsletters" back then.

First its in your own link, you dont read your own link.
http://books.google.com/books?id=had...ed=0CFIQ6AEwBg

Second, what do you mean they didnt have newslettters back then, you must think the europeans invented everything. Dude the Moghul Empire was one of the most advanced Empires of its time.

[RevolutionThroughReason]

WE dont know that they use primary sources and what secondary source are you talking about?

Well we can infer that all secondary sources are saying the same thing; why would this one not be?

for example

http://www.san.beck.org/2-10-Marathas1707-1800.html

The victorious Afghans enslaved women and children, taking 50,000 horses, 200,000 cattle, 500 elephants, plus money and jewelry. Only one-fourth of the Maratha army returned to the Deccan. Peshwa Balaji retreated to Puna, where he died in June 1761. The Maratha confederation was shattered as local chiefs regained control-Mahadji Sindia in Gwalior, Raghuji Bhonsle in Nagpur and Berar, Malhar Rao Holkar in Malwa, and Damaji Gaikwar in Gujarat. Abdali named 'Alamgir II's son 'Ali Gauhar emperor in Delhi as Shah 'Alam with Imad as vizier and Najib-ud-daula as Mir Bakshi (military commander). The Afghan troops were two years behind in their pay and insisted that Abdali leave India before the hot summer, and they refused to go to Mathura, where hundreds had died of cholera four years before

So we know Abdali took women as slaves after plundering Hindus. Which is a horrendous crime against innocent women.

So we have different sources saying pretty much the same thing; we can safely say that all these data points match.

so there is no cherry picking. the evidence shows Abdali was similarly corrupt and evil as the people who did the same to the Native Americans.

[RevolutionThroughReason]

First its in your own link, you dont read your own link.
http://books.google.com/books?id=had...ed=0CFIQ6AEwBg

Second, what do you mean they didnt have newslettters back then, you must think the europeans invented everything. Dude the Moghul Empire was one of the most advanced Empires of its time.

Ok so they did have anewsletter ...BUT that's a different section ENTIRELY, usually sources use MULTIPLE sources, so you can't assume the part I'm referencing is from the news letter. and besides. Newsletters could be primary sources too, so you can't assume it isn't. Any written document from that time would be a primary source.

[RevolutionThroughReason]

go find your father poor desi.
your mom must have been the famous chick in college.

they all banged her and now she doesnt know who was your father.

Hahah now you're copying what I said to you. Talk about changing goal posts.

Your mom must be wealthy from the milluons of rupees of child support she gets for you.

[khushal]

Ok so they did have anewsletter ...BUT that's a different section ENTIRELY, usually sources use MULTIPLE sources, so you can't assume the part I'm referencing is from the news letter. and besides. Newsletters could be primary sources too, so you can't assume it isn't. Any written document from that time would be a primary source.

I said it seems since you are providing bits and pieces but newslatters sent out to the masses are ususally propaganda. You have Taliban newsletters claiming they killed 100 nato troops there and 200 in another place, do you think thats true or propaganda.

[RevolutionThroughReason]

says the guy who wished to see his mother run around naked.
you are a very sick mother****er and just wish that no pashtun every see you face to face,that will be the day you will meet your new dad.

haha ok making stuff up now....you forget my father is a Hotak from one of the most honored branches of Hotakan, Sahak/Sakzai . None of your inferior tribes.

[RevolutionThroughReason]

I said it seems since you are providing bits and pieces but newslatters sent out to the masses are ususally propaganda. You have Taliban newsletters claiming they killed 100 nato troops there and 200 in another place, do you think thats true or propaganda.

Ah see this is where you're making an assumption here. You have no evidence this is propaganda. Your reasoning for rebutting the evidence is faulty.

The fact that Taliban newsletters are propaganda does not mean that Marathi newsletters are propaganda. You can't make that assumption.


and furthermore I showed other secondary sources confirm the acquirement of female slaves so for something like this to have been merely propaganda, then the other sources would not have been using it. For the most part my case is air tight, sans having the full document available. If one of you guys want to make a stop at the library by all means. I have done my part in presenting the evidence.

Now it is your job to refute it .....in an intellectually honest manner.

[khushal]

Well we can infer that all secondary sources are saying the same thing; why would this one not be?

for example
http://www.san.beck.org/2-10-Marathas1707-1800.html



So we know Abdali took women as slaves after plundering Hindus. Which is a horrendous crime against innocent women.

So we have different sources saying pretty much the same thing; we can safely say that all these data points match.

so there is no cherry picking. the evidence shows Abdali was similarly corrupt and evil as the people who did the same to the Native Americans.

This website does not list where it gets its info from. it just lists a book that we cant really explore so its another waste of time. you could do better than this.

[RevolutionThroughReason]

This website does not list where it gets its info from. it just lists a book that we cant really explore so its another waste of time. you could do better than this.

it's a copy of Sanderson Beck's book so you'll have to look in his Bibliography. see it's right here http://www.san.beck.org/2-Bibliography.html


regardless it all confirms the same thing as the other sources ....using Hindu women , who had done nothing wrong, just because they belonged to the losing team

How can Pashtuns or Muslims in general dare criticize the Europeans when they have done the same things themselves?

[khushal]

it's a copy of Sanderson Beck's book so you'll have to look in his Bibliography. see it's right here http://www.san.beck.org/2-Bibliography.html


regardless it all confirms the same thing as the other sources ....using Hindu women , who had done nothing wrong, just because they belonged to the losing team

How can Pashtuns or Muslims in general dare criticize the Europeans when they have done the same things themselves?

who cares about the bibliography, we need the book and where it gets the info from and we need primary sources. Your attempt is grasping at best.

[khushal]

Ah see this is where you're making an assumption here. You have no evidence this is propaganda. Your reasoning for rebutting the evidence is faulty.

The fact that Taliban newsletters are propaganda does not mean that Marathi newsletters are propaganda. You can't make that assumption.


and furthermore I showed other secondary sources confirm the acquirement of female slaves so for something like this to have been merely propaganda, then the other sources would not have been using it. For the most part my case is air tight, sans having the full document available. If one of you guys want to make a stop at the library by all means. I have done my part in presenting the evidence.

Now it is your job to refute it .....in an intellectually honest manner.

But still we dont know anything. we just have a couple of sentences. Why dont you got to the library and paste the pages on here since you are the one making the claim.

[RevolutionThroughReason]

But still we dont know anything. we just have a couple of sentences. Why dont you got to the library and paste the pages on here since you are the one making the claim.

We do though., these secondary sources are like Hadith, for all of them to have been fabricated would require a conspiracy of massive proportions which it would have been realistically impossible in those times. Yet we find they all affirm what each other is saying.

the evidence has verified itself by independent references.

It's no longer my job, since I presented my evidence ./....it's now your job to refute the contents of what I presented ...side stepping it and syaing "ah we don't have the whole book" is not an excuse,