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[RevolutionThroughReason]

There is no report, not by Persians that the Hotak rule was oppressive. On the contrary, Persian literature and arts continued to flourish.

False:

http://books.google.com/books?id=HXDUAAAAMAAJ&pg=PA234&dq=Afghans+isfahan+oppression&hl=en&sa=X&ei=_8bQUIrpCqeo0AGg54DYDg&ved=0CD8Q6AEwAw#v=onepage&q=Afghans%20isfahan%20oppression&f=false

"At Kazvin the Afghans were dealing with a population which was more virile than that of Isfahan, but being ignorant or careless of the circumstance, they treated the citizens with cruelty and oppression"

checkmate.

Isfahan was burned to the ground after a siege (its buildings were burned- people were not killed).

False

http://books.google.com/books?id=xd5VonTOppMC&pg=PA342&dq=Mahmud+Massacre+Isfahan&hl=en&sa=X&ei=DsnQUMr2FO6O0QHBjICQBg&ved=0CDEQ6AEwAA#v=onepage&q=Mahmud%20Massacre%20Isfahan&f=false

"Mahmud in revenge instituted a terrible massacre in Isfahan"

Technically speaking, by Mirwais neeka's estimation, the Shiite Persians were Kafirs because they had united with a Christian warlord- Gurgin Khan...im.

no evidence supports this

[RevolutionThroughReason]

SO I tell you thank you for correcting my history, give you a corrected version, and you blurt out more crap lol

ok dude..

Yes but even your "corrected" Version is wrong and without evidence. All you did was correct who was responsible for the actions not what happened.

You're an ignorant and uneducated fool; the only crap is from the clear UNSUPPORTED fallacies you've been stating.

[Shah-i-Kot]

Yes but even your "corrected" Version is wrong and without evidence. All you did was correct who was responsible for the actions not what happened.

You're an ignorant and uneducated fool; the only crap is from the clear UNSUPPORTED fallacies you've been stating.

Please provide the sources and quotes that Ahmad Shah Baba and his army raped women in India as you mentioned.

I will need MULTIPLE SOURCES to authenticate them. Not letting you get away with some Shiite or Hindu propaganda. Not some single source, multiple sources confirming said incidents.

Please provide the source that the Hotak rulers committed crimes against the Persians who started the war against Pashtuns in the first place. Start from Mirwais neeka all the way through to Ashraf. I want the crimes committed by all rulers listed here since you have mentioned it now DUMBASSSS.

Next time, before you lecture someone else, provide your sources and quote them right here you dumbass..

[Shah-i-Kot]

I await your multiple sources confirming and authenticating that Ahmad Shah Baba and his men raped women in India.

Actually, no need, aside from babbling 24/7 from your mouth, you have no sources.

hahahah

[RevolutionThroughReason]

Please provide the sources and quotes that Ahmad Shah Baba and his army raped women in India as you mentioned.

I will need MULTIPLE SOURCES to authenticate them. Not letting you get away with some Shiite or Hindu propaganda. Not some single source, multiple sources confirming said incidents.

Ad-Hominem fallacy; The origins of the sources does not matter in debate To do this means you lost the debate because of an Ad-Hominem fallacy.

http://books.google.com/books?id=hadHAAAAMAAJ&q=Abdali+Hindu+women&dq=Abdali+Hindu+women&hl=en&sa=X&ei=rdfQUIjiK8eH0QGb-YG4DA&ved=0CFIQ6AEwBg

Wherever handsome Hindu women were reported, Abdali sent his men who brought them to his quarters."

http://books.google.com/books?

id=AytuAAAAMAAJ&q=Abdali+Hindu+women&dq=Abdali+Hin du+women&hl=en&sa=X&ei=rdfQUIjiK8eH0QGb-YG4DA&ved=0CEkQ6AEwBA

"Abdali of much of his spoils and liberated over two thousand Hindu women he was taking to stock Afghan harems."

Please provide the source that the Hotak rulers committed crimes against the Persians who started the war against Pashtuns in the first place. Start from Mirwais neeka all the way through to Ashraf. I want the crimes committed by all rulers listed here since you have mentioned it now DUMBASSSS.

Here you go;

http://persian.packhum.org/persian/main?url=pf%3Ffile%3D90001014%26ct%3D31

Meanwhile Mír Maḥmúd was continuing his cruelties at Iṣfahán. In A.D. 1723 he put to death in cold blood some Cruelties committed by Afgháns. three hundred of the nobles and chief citizens, and followed up this bloody deed with the murder of about two hundred children of their families. He also killed some three thousand of the deposed Sháh's body-guard, together with many other persons whose sentiments he mistrusted or whose influence he feared. In the following year (A.D. 1724) the Afghán general Zabardast Khán succeeded, where his predecessor Naṣru'lláh * had failed and fallen, in taking Shíráz; and towards the end of the year Mír Maḥmúd prepared to attack Yazd, which had hitherto remained unsubdued. The Muslim inhabitants of that town, fearing that the numerous Zoroastrians dwelling in it might follow the example of their co-religionists of Kirmán and join the Afgháns, killed a great number of them

See you didn't correct your history; The Persains were already defeated in Afghanistan 6 years earlier; there was no reason to invade since Mir-Wais already expelled then. IT was Mahmud's war-driven lust by his religious views that motivated him.

Next time, before you lecture someone else, provide your sources and quote them right here you dumbass..

I did do that ...I expect you to start doing the same.

[RevolutionThroughReason]

Yes but even your "corrected" Version is wrong and without evidence. All you did was correct who was responsible for the actions not what happened.

You're an ignorant and uneducated fool; the only crap is from the clear UNSUPPORTED fallacies you've been stating.

um are you blind? I posted several sources with the Google Book references. ...Talk about being stubborn and in denial.

[Shah-i-Kot]

Ad-Hominem fallacy; The origins of the sources does not matter in debate To do this means you lost the debate because of an Ad-Hominem fallacy.


http://books.google.com/books?id=had...ed=0CFIQ6AEwBg


http://books.google.com/books?
id=AytuAAAAMAAJ&q=Abdali+Hindu+women&dq=Abdali+Hin du+women&hl=en&sa=X&ei=rdfQUIjiK8eH0QGb-YG4DA&ved=0CEkQ6AEwBA





Here you go;
http://persian.packhum.org/persian/m...1014%26ct%3D31



See you didn't correct your history; The Persains were already defeated in Afghanistan 6 years earlier; there was no reason to invade since Mir-Wais already expelled then. IT was Mahmud's war-driven lust by his religious views that motivated him.



I did do that ...I expect you to start doing the same.

When looking for the truth, the origins of the source does matter. You have failed to provide multiple and authentic sources.

In regards to the Persians, they should have not initiated a war with Pashtuns. End.

[RevolutionThroughReason]

When looking for the truth, the origins of the source does matter. You have failed to provide multiple and authentic sources.

In regards to the Persians, they should have not initiated a war with Pashtuns. End.

No it doesn't; Because that would be an Ad-Hominem fallacy

if you're discrediting something because of the ethnicity or background of the presenter ...then you lose the debate on grounds of fallacy.

http://www.nizkor.org/features/fallacies/ad-hominem.html

An Ad Hominem is a general category of fallacies in which a claim or argument is rejected on the basis of some irrelevant fact about the author of or the person presenting the claim or argument. Typically, this fallacy involves two steps. First, an attack against the character of person making the claim, her circumstances, or her actions is made (or the character, circumstances, or actions of the person reporting the claim). Second, this attack is taken to be evidence against the claim or argument the person in question is making (or presenting). This type of "argument" has the following form:

Person A makes claim X.
Person B makes an attack on person A.
Therefore A's claim is false.

So how can it be obvious when it is a known false argument by all scholars? Whatever your case, you're conceding that the Pashtuns committed crimes and this is no different than Europeans killing natives.

I have not only provided numerous sources, (multiple means more than one ) Your reasoning against their authenticity is logicallyfallacious,l so therefore there is no reason to believe they're invalid
Muslims have done just as many horrible things to people as the Europeans have.

checkmate

[Shah-i-Kot]

[QUOTE]

Ad-Hominem fallacy; The origins of the sources does not matter in debate To do this means you lost the debate because of an Ad-Hominem fallacy.


http://books.google.com/books?id=had...ed=0CFIQ6AEwBg


http://books.google.com/books?
id=AytuAAAAMAAJ&q=Abdali+Hindu+women&dq=Abdali+Hin du+women&hl=en&sa=X&ei=rdfQUIjiK8eH0QGb-YG4DA&ved=0CEkQ6AEwBA

Your sources dont prove anything. In fact, they just lead me to a book about the Fall of the Mughal Empire with your search choice in the search engine typed as "Abdali Hindu Women"

Looks like google search FAILED you.

So even if you manage to ferret some source. I need multiple sources. Right now, you have ZERO.

Now we are seeking truth, unless you are seeking false facts?

Here you go;
http://persian.packhum.org/persian/m...1014%26ct%3D31



See you didn't correct your history; The Persains were already defeated in Afghanistan 6 years earlier; there was no reason to invade since Mir-Wais already expelled then. IT was Mahmud's war-driven lust by his religious views that motivated him.



I did do that ...I expect you to start doing the same.

Here you go? What?

The point being made is that the Persians sent an army to Kandahar>>>They initiated the age old conflict with the Pashtuns, not the other way around.

Thats the start point. What exactly are you trying to prove?

[Shah-i-Kot]

You are a clown man. This is your source http://books.google.com/books?id=had...ed=0CFIQ6AEwBg

"Abdali Hindu Women" typed in a search engine is your source. There is no article there you comedian.

Did you take your meds?

maaaannnn

[RevolutionThroughReason]

Your sources dont prove anything. In fact, they just lead me to a book about the Fall of the Mughal Empire with your search choice in the search engine typed as "Abdali Hindu Women"

Looks like google search FAILED you.

So even if you manage to ferret some source. I need multiple sources. Right now, you have ZERO.

Now we are seeking truth, unless you are seeking false facts?







Here you go? What?

The point being made is that the Persians send an army to Kandahar? They initiated the age old conflict with the Pashtuns, not the other way around.

Thats the start point. What exactly are you trying to prove?

They do, they prove Abdali raped women; and that Pashtuns committed crimes against innocent people. Your attempt to discredit the sources is an Ad-HOminem fallacy ..a fallacy is a fallacy no matter how many times you try to say it's not or redress it. The claim you made is false and unsupported.

That's just the rules of logic ....you can't change that. I put up THREE sources, are you blind? Three is 3*1= 3 hence multiple.

[RevolutionThroughReason]

You are a clown man. This is your source http://books.google.com/books?id=had...ed=0CFIQ6AEwBg

"Abdali Hindu Women" typed in a search engine is your source. There is no article there you comedian.

Did you take your meds?

maaaannnn

there is ....type in the quote I put. and it will show up.

[RevolutionThroughReason]

see it's right there ......google search the quote I posted.

[Shah-i-Kot]

there is ....type in the quote I put. and it will show up.

Sorry, It is not my job to look for this mysterious source of yours that doesnt show up in your link that just shows that you typed "Abdali Hindu Women."

This is not some game.

Quote the source right here. Thats your job. I still need multiple sources.

You are a funny man.
Anyway check later

[Shah-i-Kot]

Again, I need MULTIPLE AND AUTHENTIC SOURCES.

Not some HINDU author who is grinding his axe.